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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:03 PM Original message |
Savings Rate Is Dropping, and Experts Are Puzzled |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Skyrocketing food prices? Plummeting family incomes??? Do any of these things |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. CPI and inflation are flat, or at target levels. |
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BanzaiBonnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Didn't they pull food costs out of the CPI? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
87. I've seen that posted here a lot. But, I've also seen posts that say that it not true. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. CPI now does not measure food or energy costs,which is why no Soc.Sec. COLAs. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Cost of Living Adjustments for SS have been based on CPI-W,... |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. mmfllpkht |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. The algorithms they use are so insane I pale for words. It's absolutely |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
89. Well, if you haven't got anything nice to say about any elected official, |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Yep, OK, save me a seat! n/t |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #89 |
99. +1 |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
59. According to the BLS FAQ, it covers food & energy (gas, fuel oil, utilities) |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Those categories are also all weighted differently. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Another critical point to remember... |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Well if you take Dec2009-Dec 2010, the rate was 1.5% (CPI-U). |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #80 |
91. No cost of living increase at all for recipients of OADI that year though. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
90. There are many cost of living indices. Your link is, I believe, to the one the Social Security Ad- |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
88. Don't be silly! The whole point of owning a bridge is all that income from tolls. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
74. The CPI doesn't include FOOD or FUEL. For most folks, that's where all their money |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
86. Actually, this fall, they finally admitted the cost of living rose last year. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. Some fucking experts |
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Marazinia (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. That's so stupid it has to be deliberate |
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. The car died and so did the washing machine; the wardrobe can keep going |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:41 PM Original message |
When I crack wind, I'm not "puzzled" by the smell. I don't get it. nt |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. I was looking at one online savings outfit recently pushing their incredible |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Not bad. Three year treasuries yield around 0.5%. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. One can get about 1% online. That's about the highest I've seen. n/t |
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. almost 3% w/ a couple of reliable stox nt |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. Exactly.. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yep, and ZIRP is working so well to improve the economy. It would be |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
92. In response to questioning from a Senate Committee, Bernanke recently |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. Another thing |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Shouldn't come as a surprise.... |
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. CREDIT UNIONS are a big salvation. They must be. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Are debt rates |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. ''Duhhhh. If you're in the 99 percent, you 're raiding the savings to just make ends meet.'' |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. We are falling off the cliff experts...things are to expensive |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. Hey, "expert" |
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. or vital organs nt |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. Hmmm, save money or pay a bill. Save money or eat. Save money or clothe my children. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. How stupid does an "expert" have to be to understand that people are out of money? |
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JJW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. I saw Apple Cider today for $ 8.99 a gallon |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. Have you seen the price of Halloween candy? I decided to wait until Monday afternoon |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
71. We're not participating this year |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Your neighbor was very brutish. You are under no obligation to give candy to his children |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. Because I don't have as much money that I can put aside in my savings acct, duh. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is a giant DUH to me. All I see around here are prices going up and income flat. Savings, |
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Stock market rigged? Not if you have inside info or hi speed computers nt |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yep, let me correct that to say rigged against most ... yep, nano-trading / proprietary |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. If you'd like to hear the sound of your jaw bouncing off the floor, watch this. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Thanks!!! Excellent talk! Thanks again!!! n/t |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. In a way I found it cool, in a way, I found it flat out horrifying. |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
15. We need less 'puzzled' people. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
16. These must be the same experts who are "puzzled" by OWS. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. These are like the experts wanting to raise SS and Medicare age eligibility |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
24. One of the most fucked up headlines I've read all year...n/t |
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Paulie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
28. My brother was a 99er. So I was helping him all that time with housing and food |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
76. I know what you mean. The wife's brother lost his job and his new one pays him 1/2 take home of the |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
29. Not to mention the .5% interest rate you get on savings these days. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Where do you get .5%? |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
78. That's how long ago I thought about putting money in a savings account. |
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jkappy (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
70. ..05 % you mean. Might as well hide it under a rock! |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. Ugh. Maybe people are having to go through their |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
37. "...its lowest level since the month the recession began." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
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leftyohiolib (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
40. because banks dont need your money anymore. they have |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
41. The "experts" are clueless. |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. They're either clueless or soulless |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
42. Since they are puzzled they are in no way experts. |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
45. Disposable income? |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
49. Huh??? Save it where??? |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
51. The people who are hording all the money wonder why those that don't have |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
52. Please remember, paying off debt is "Savings" as that term is used for this calculation |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
53. Puzzled???? Are you just that fucking stupid? Sheesh |
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TheOther95Percent (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
54. Paying for the damage from Irene torpedoed our savings. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
56. I Think This is Good Sign in the Short Term |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
57. Ha Ha . . . . |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
58. We're in the 2nd Great Depression, |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
60. This economist says it's a statistical anomaly. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Maybe an economist who actually knows what he or she is talking about is an anomaly. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
61. Jaysus! |
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Celefin (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Spot on. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
63. Then what puzzles me is why they're considered experts |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. they seem EXTREMELY out of touch |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Seems like you can take what they say, and |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #63 |
96. +1000 +++ n/t |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
65. These idiots. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
66. My savings go into the gas tank! |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
69. stupid freaks |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
72. We're spending it on food and putting the rest in a coffee can. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
75. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe because people HAVE NO FUCKING MONEY TO SAVE??? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
77. evidently these *experts* haven't shopped for groceries lately |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
79. As Bill O'Reilly would say, "People out of work, savings going down...you can't explain that!" |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #79 |
97. Yep, and this gives an example of why we're so F'ed up as a country when the |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
82. had to get a new roof |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
84. ShadowStats has CPI at about 12%. Plus consumers were deleveraging (paying down debt) |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
85. "Experts' Intelligence is Dropping, and the Public is Puzzled." n/t |
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tawadi (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
93. These reports are diving me crazy. IT'S JOBS, STUPID!! |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
94. Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award |
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Islandlife (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-31-11 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
98. Just how "expert" are these experts |
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