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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:36 AM
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Widow of exotic animal keeper in Zanesville may get animals back
Source: Newsnet5.com

Zoo says it cannot stop her from taking animals

Posted: 9:42 AM

CLEVELAND - The widow of the man who freed exotic animals from his property before taking his own life could get the surviving animals back as soon as Thursday.

In a news release from the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium, zoo officials said they had no legal rights to keep the animals, and removed them from the Zanesville farm with permission from Marian Thompson.

Now, Thompson's attorneys contacted the zoo and said she plans to take the animals back.

The animals involved are three leopards, two Celebes macaques and a young grizzly bear.

Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/state/widow-of-exotic-...



Snip~ "Unfortunately, the current laws do not protect the animals and at this time we have no legal right to stop them from being taken from the zoo."

:wtf:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:38 AM
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1. well, the ones that weren't slaughtered for no reason by the trigger happy cops
at least. :argh:
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:48 AM
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4. Aww, not this argument again.
The police had one duty that day: to protect the public. Where there are dozens of lions and tigers running loose in a residential area, I would want them to shoot them without delay. The HSUS and the Cincinnati Zoo have both said that the officers acted correctly.

These animals -- many of whom were kept in cars, and cages meant for domestic dogs -- would likely have had to be euthanized anyway and could never have been rehabilitated by a zoo in the first place.

Hold your anger for the person who kept these beautiful animals in such conditions, not the cops who were doing their job.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:50 AM
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5. whatever... duty. meh.
They got to get their killin' bag on, end of story.

The animals could have been captured alive.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:52 AM
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7. I live in Ohio where this story had wall to wall coverage....
The cops did what they had to do....protect the public. I love animals myself, but had this been in my backyard, I would've wanted them to do the same thing.

The Humane Society agrees.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:41 AM
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14. +1
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:27 PM
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19. Tranquilizer guns would have been a better option
and I spent 25 years in Ohio; I can assure you that some of those cops will be bragging about thier "big game kills" for decades to come.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:43 PM
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24. They had 4 tranquilizer guns and one vet on hand, not enough n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:45 PM
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43. God, not this stale stuff again. M99 is FAR too dangerous for untrained cops to
be running around with. Mere skin contact with it can KILL HUMANS. It is up to 80,000X more powerful than morphine. One may not use or even possess it without a DEA registration, and even we vet students were merely told about it in vet school and shown the equipment from a safe distance. None of us were permitted to handle/use it WHATSOEVER.

To safely use M99, you MUST have an idea of the animal's weight and when it last ate, also.

"Tranquilizer" guns were not remotely feasible here. This was discussed ad infinitum at the time. I am not going to bother to hunt down the links for you other than this:

http://opioids.com/etorphine/immobilon.html
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:04 AM
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10. Explain how that would work, and the resources needed, and where they were to come from.
If all that was readily available, you might have a talking point. Until then, you are blaming the wrong parties.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:29 PM
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20. Animal control and the Columbus Zoo have plenty of tranquilizer guns
and experts on hand; a couple of calls would have done it. Suddenly the police are above questioning and the media's word is final? Please!
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:38 PM
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22. The problems with tranking animals was explained pretty thouroughly...
in the previous thread on this. It's a very difficult process. And with 50+ animals loose, how long will it take to get enough resources into place?

Perhaps you could come up with some specific plans and timetables, rather than general platitudes?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 03:42 PM
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27. well, obviously the police chiefs proved themselves the model of good planning
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 03:43 PM by MisterP
and we should trust in thier good judgment of "necessity"
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:58 PM
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29. I'm not sure anybody has a plan to deal with 50+ escaped/loose animals, mostly predatory....
released by a suicidal madman.

I still haven't seen the police-blamers present a plan, other than , "they should have done... something!"

Noteably few of them have volunteered to rush to the rescue if this should happen again....
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #20
44. 50+ animals loose requires 50+ experts and 50+ tranq guns, and then
the danger of accidentally shooting a human or non-targeted animal in the dark was high.

Skin contact with M99 can be lethal to humans. It is far and away the most dangerous drug in existence.
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:17 AM
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13. I have two boys 6 and 12. I used to live in Ohio
If that were my neighborhood I would have had no problems with what the police did. I grew up on a farm, respect animals, have my share of dog, cat and fish. But public safety is #1. Can you imagine if some kid got mauled and the police didn't take a shot? They would be public enemy #1. No offense, but "sorry about the kid but at least the bear lived" is not a line I want to read in the newspaper about one of my boys.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #5
21. You have no clue, really you don'/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. more than you, apparently. n/t
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. not at all. You're anti-cop screeds are old and tiresome
The cops did the only reasonable thing they could.


You could stand to learn.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. violent, abusive cops are what is old.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 06:04 PM by ixion
It needs to end, and I'll keep saying so until it does end.

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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. So every action any cop takes is wrong?
Hope you never need one to help you.


Are there bad cops? yes. But 99% of cops are trying to do the right thing.

Painting all cops with your biases hurts your cause, not helps.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. 99%? Hardly. At BEST maybe 1 in 10 are okay.
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 07:12 PM by ixion
the rest are scum. A good cop is the exception, not the rule.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. There really is no need to waste time on someone like you.
Ignore
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #33
45. There was ZERO police "violence" or "abuse" here. Please explain to me in
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 07:51 PM by kestrel91316
detail the safe use of M99 in this situation. You have mere minutes to respond.

Quickly, now. Dozens of large, hungry predators are loose and homes with children are nearby.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Please detail what should have occured....
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 05:00 PM by PavePusher
and what it would take to have effected your solution in time, manpower, funds and equipment. Or, in other words, show us your "clue".

We'll wait....
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:05 PM
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34. get a life...
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 06:06 PM by ixion
I owe you nothing. Suffice to say it was entirely feasible to trap and/or tranquilize the animals. Shooting them should be a last option, not a first.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. This statement shows you have absolutely no clue.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. I've got more of a clue than you do, apparently
if you think the ONLY solution is killing them.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. For most of them, yes, that was the BEST solution
Clueless yo uare
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. You have NO idea what you are talking about. Your ignorance about the
use of M99 is glaringly obvious.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
47. I ask again....
please explain how this should have occured.

Facts, please, without emotion or hand-wringing.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
42. Sorry that you seem to have ignored everything everybody knowledgeable about
M99 use told you repeatedly at the time......
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
25. Too bad you weren't there with your net and khaki shorts to catch them
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Would you look more like Patrick or Bob? :rofl:



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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:40 AM
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2. The do have a legal right: Public Safety. Seize the animals and send her a bill for their care &
boarding. Offer to waive the bill if she relinquishes the rights to the animals.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:59 AM
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8. +1, also charge her for the police hours involved AND cruelty to animals violations
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:02 AM
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9. She was not the one who turned out the animals.
The responsible party is dead.

Perhaps you weren't paying attention?
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:46 AM
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15. She's trying to claim the property.
Perhaps you weren't paying attention. ;)
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idiotgardener Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:06 PM
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17. No, she was one of the ones that kept them in deplorable conditions
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:09 AM
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49. keeping large exotic animals in small cages is animal cruelty - fine her big time for that
Edited on Fri Oct-28-11 09:18 AM by wordpix
Did she feed them properly, clean their cages, give them any exercise, give them clean water regularly? Reports I've read say not and the quarantine at the zoo the animals are currently under is due to the possible diseases they may have from the deplorable conditions they were kept in.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 09:13 AM
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50. "animals could possibly be infected with disease as result of conditions in which they were held"
snip: the animals could possibly be infected with a disease as a result of the conditions in which they were previously held.

I'm paying attention. Apparently, you're not if you think these animals should go back to that animal abuser. She's just as guilty as her husband; she lived with the animals in these conditions and did nothing to stop the animal cruelty she and her husband perpetrated.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:45 AM
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3. She must miss Herpes Monkey. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:52 AM
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6. Charge her up the ass for their room and board--that'll slow her down. NT
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:09 AM
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11. Oh for the love of God.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:12 AM
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12. Noooooooooooooooooo!
I hope the MINUTE they change the laws they will take the animals back to the zoo or reserve or whatever.
She clearly does not have the animal's best interest at heart.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:51 AM
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16. Get those animals to a real sanctuary.
There are dumbass operations like this one, and there are professional operations with lots of land, vet-care, correct diet, etc. that the animals need.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:21 PM
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18. Seems like the current laws do not protect the public either. nt
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:43 PM
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26. She probably thinks she can get some cash for them...
Especially now since she's broke and widowed...

But I am suprised there isn't some health/public safety issue that could be cited if that woman even came within 50 feet of a rat
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:07 PM
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31. It is pretty fucked up to NOT have a ban on having such animals
in a residence.
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:46 PM
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32. Ohio Agriculture Dept order prevented her from picking them up
POWELL, Ohio - The Ohio Department of Agriculture issued a quarantine on Thursday to block the transportation of six released exotic animals from the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium back to a Muskingum County exotic animal farm.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2011/10/27/zanesvil...
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:00 PM
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37. Good.
from your link:

According to the ODA , the (quarantine) order was issued because the animals could possibly be infected with a disease as a result of the conditions in which they were previously held.

The order is effective indefinitely and prohibits the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium from releasing or moving the animals to Thompson, the ODA said.

Thompson will be able to appeal the quarantine order and is entitled to a hearing within 30 days.
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red dog 1 Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:02 PM
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48. Why Didn't the Humane Society Seek To Close Down This "Farm" Long Ago?
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