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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:03 PM
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Gaddafi's son Saif offers to 'hand himself in' to International Criminal Court
Source: Daily Mail

Colonel Gaddafi's fugitive son Saif al-Islam today offered to hand himself in to the International Criminal Court in the Hague, according to a Libyan transitional government official.

The London-educated playboy, 39, is the last member of the hated despots family still feared to be at large in Libya.

Said and former intelligence chief Abdullah al-Senussi are proposing to surrender to the International Criminal Court, a senior military official with the National Transitional Council said today.

Observers speculated the brutal demise of his father - who was beaten to a bloody pulp and possibly even sodomised after his capture before getting a bullet in the brain - may have prompted his move.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053467/Gaddafi...


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053467/Gaddafi...
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:06 PM
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1. his wife should do the same
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:10 PM
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2. Probaby too late for that, who knows.
But if I had to guess, I'd bet it likely isn't going to happen.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:36 PM
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3. If he's smart, it will.
His father just demonstrated one of the more unfortunate alternatives to trial.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 02:04 PM
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5. He'll probably take his sister, Saddam's lawyer...
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 02:04 PM by jakeXT
Meet Gaddafi's girl - a chip off the old block
Aisha Gaddafi, defender of Saddam, supporter of the IRA and UN goodwill ambassador, talks to the Sunday Telegraph about life the Libyan way


By Colin Freeman in Tripoli

7:30AM BST 10 Oct 2010

To anyone in Britain who still thinks of her Dad as a tyrant, IRA quartermaster extraordinaire, and all-round Mad Dog of the Middle East, Aisha Gaddafi would like to extend a cordial invite.

"Come to Libya, you are all most welcome," she says, when asked about her father's unique talent for planting thorns in the side of successive British governments. "I know what is said in Britain about my father, and most of it is just following a political agenda. So I would give the British people this invite: find out the real facts by coming and meeting us Libyans in person."

First though, meet Aisha herself, the only girl among the eight children that Gaddafi has fathered in between his other duties as Brotherly Leader, self-appointed Saviour of Africa and Guide of the Revolution. Dubbed "The Claudia Schiffer of North Africa" in the Arab press for her striking good looks, the 33-year-old is arguably the most photogenic of Libya's First Family, yet she is still very much a chip off the old block. A lawyer by training, her father's regime is not the only contentious cause she has spoken up for over the years. In her youth, just like her Dad, she was a keen supporter of the IRA, and three years ago, she was on the legal team that defended that other controversial Arab leader, Saddam Hussein.

Her other passion, though, is promoting women's rights in Libya, which is why she agreed last week to a no-holds-barred interview at her home, a huge, high-walled villa in a Tripoli suburb. At first, it feels rather like being in a Gaddafi version of a Hello! shoot. Flawlessly turned out in peach jacket, white trousers and designer jewellery, Aisha holds court in a vast drawing room decked out with family pictures, and later poses for photos on a huge, mermaid-shaped settee worthy of her father's extravagant tastes. Meanwhile, her three young children wander in - one of whom, three-year-old Muammar, is named after Grandpa.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 03:55 PM
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6. He'll never get there.
Too much info on how Libya was 'won' by the west. Blair will piss his pants if Saif ever reaches The Hague. As will a number of other 'leaders of the free world'.

Neh. My best guess is he'll be dead before he ever gets to say a word at a trial. Like Milosovic now knows, the ICC-jail is deadly in itself.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:38 PM
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7. That would be my guess, too
Which will put the lie to the absurd argument that all these folks we're killing at random lately should somehow know they're being hunted and targeted and just turn themselves in. Saif may have far too much knowledge of the inner workings of his father's regime to trust to being represented by counsel and interrogated. Someone with a guilty conscience, itchy trigger finger and access to the right weapons will make sure Saif never gets within a hundred miles of a secure facility.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:52 PM
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10. I'm prepared to support Saif in his bid for security and trial
with some honor.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:59 PM
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11. Milosevic was in the Hague for 4 years (2002 to 2006) and died of a heart attack.
It's not like he was assassinated the day he got there so that he wouldn't have a chance to reveal any information.
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 05:18 PM
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12. I know,
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 05:19 PM by BB1
it's right next door, and he was on air quite some time here in Holland. But he was not in that bad a condition (although he did work up a temper during the trial), and his wife claimed that he had been given the wrong drugs for his heart condition. After which he suddenly died. And he's not the only one suddenly being dead and not saying a word; how about Saddam Houssein, Osama Bin Laden, Tariq Aziz and some other convenient usual suspects...

Anyway, I don't think Saif will be able to reach his destination (and chosen path of destiny) at The Hague.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:41 AM
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23. Iraq isn't a member of the ICC. While I would love to have had Saddam and Tariq (along with
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 05:42 AM by pampango
a few Americans we could name) tried by the ICC, unless they were caught in an ICC-member country or indicted for attacks in an ICC-member country I don't see how they could have been tried in an international court.

Tariq isn't dead. He's in prison in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Aziz

Saddam was captured in 2003 and executed in 2006. I wish he had been tried in an international court, but he wasn't killed while being captured or anything.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:46 PM
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8. Musta seen some pics of Ol' Daddo. n/t
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 04:46 PM
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9. It will be a fascinating trial to watch if it happens.
The war crimes indictment against Saif Gaddafi has puzzled people since it was handed down. He was Gadaffi's son, but he was widely seen as a pro-democracy reformer who publicly clashed with his father in Libya even before the revolt, was generally supported by the Libyan youth, and never held any position in the Libyan government or military.

It will be interesting to see whether the ICC can actually convict him of anything at all.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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13. Gaddafi son wants to surrender to ICC, says NTC
Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who once vowed to die fighting on Libyan soil, now wants to face international justice instead and avoid any chance of meeting the same grisly end as his father, Libyan officials said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/27/us-libya-idUS...



Thoughts of what happened to his father may be persuading Saif to surrender.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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14. Sounds good to me. nt
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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17. Yeah, and this also suggests that there are no neighboring countries willing to take him in.
That is a very good thing and means the Gaddafi era is truely over.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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15. He must be thinking, "No, really, I'm not constipated."
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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16. Should be a win-win-win situation.
The Libyans get rid of the last rallying point for the old order in a slightly more civilized manner than it got rid of his dad with, Saif get to live (however undeservedly) and the ICC get to show how important it wan't to be.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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18. yes, this could be a positive final closer for everyone.
The end of the Gaddafi era.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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19. He wanna LIVE!1 n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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20. What I want to know is what happened to the rotten bastard son and wife
who tortured their staff. They are the ones I would like to see at the hands of the rebels.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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21. i think that's Hannibal Gaddafi
Edited on Wed Oct-26-11 11:12 PM by JI7
i think he already got out of the country
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 05:27 AM
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22. Pity.........
It's a shame that he and his wife didn't end up like his father. They didn't just torture that poor Ethiopian maid, they had a habit of abusing all their staff. Psychopaths!!!

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