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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 07:14 PM
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Oil price falls nearly 2 pct on China slowdown
Source: AP-Excite

By CHRIS KAHN

NEW YORK (AP) - The price of oil fell nearly 2 percent Thursday as the global economic slowdown took a toll on China.

China, the world's second-largest oil consumer behind the U.S., has been propping up oil demand as its economy expanded. But a drop in its export growth last month showed that it's been affected by the sluggish U.S. and European economies. Consumers are spending less and buying fewer Chinese products. If China's exports continue to cool off, its economy will slow and its appetite for oil will diminish.

"We're interconnected," independent analyst Andrew Lipow said. "A slowdown in consumption in the U.S. and Europe is being felt over there."

Benchmark crude fell $1.34 to end the day at $84.23 a barrel in New York. Brent crude, used to price many international kinds of oil, fell 25 cents to finish at $111.11 a barrel in London.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20111013/D9QBK3580.htm...
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 07:49 PM
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1. shouldn't gas be under $3? I remember oil being over 120 a barrel when it was 3.85 a gallon for gas
I just wonder why we don't see 2.50-2.75 gas, well, other than obvious corruption/collusion.


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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 07:56 PM
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2. It never seems to go down much
No matter what, but given the slightest excuse, prices sky rocket and then just fucking stay there.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 07:59 PM
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3. yeah, "tropical storm threatens oil platforms; gas prices go up 20 cents" and stay... n/t


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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:29 PM
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9. I Assume It's Because These Massive Pools of Wealth
are looking for a return. They've abandoned real estate, are cool about stocks and bonds, and so they go into commodities. Sucks for everyone else. But at some point it is likely the worm will turn and oil will drop again.
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:06 PM
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4. No
Go to this link. On page 27 you will find a chart which shows you the import price of oil:
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/curre...

The last price given was $102.62 for August; peak import prices were in May/June at $108/$106. Because the import price of oil changes more slowly than the day-to-day pricing, price increases lag somewhat. Some of the pricing is done by contract!




Notice that gas pricing peaked before average oil import prices did; the fall in spot pricing has meant that some buying is being done at cheaper prices. Also demand for gas has been sluggish, which is pushing pricing down some. But until import pricing drops quite a bit, we will still have high gas prices.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:20 PM
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7. Ok, thanks, and why are oil companies making the most money qtrly ever made by companies in history?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 07:42 AM
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12. Because they sell a product in tremendous demand? nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 07:56 AM
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13. But demand has diminished or remained stagnant.
:think:
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:13 AM
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14. And OPEC has reduced production
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:48 AM
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15. 83M barrels a day(world consumption) cut by 150K.
A fraction of a percentile.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:23 AM
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16. But OPEC does have have a policy of manipulating production
to keep prices as high as possible. Just pointing out that there are a lot of moving pieces in a global economy and there are other factors besides the "evil" oil companies.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:54 PM
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17. The BIGGEST moving piece is speculation.
My point.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 12:57 PM
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18. A unsubstantiated point nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:03 PM
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19. No one is speculating on the oil market?
"I said 'unsubstantiated' because I was too busy removing my head from my ass." -hack89
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:51 PM
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22. No - that it is the "largest moving piece".
please learn to read.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:13 PM
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21. Oil speculation seen adding $600 to your gas bill
<http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/13/news/economy/gasoline_c... />

Did Speculation Fuel Oil Price Swings?

<http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/08/60minutes/mai... >

GOP admits speculation is helping boost oil prices, moves to gut speculation watchdog anyway

<http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/03/19/207724/specula... />
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:54 PM
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23. So oil companies actually have nothing to do with sky high prices?
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 01:54 PM by hack89
it is the financial markets?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 12:02 AM
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24. So you chose not to read the articles.
Not surprising.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:16 AM
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26. Your second link in particular puts the blame solely on fund managers
so yes, I did read the links. Did you?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:15 PM
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5. on Tuesday this week, gas was 3.19 a gallon. On Wednesday, it jumped to 3.59
I assumed it was the Iran assassination story. Today it was down to 3.49. I expect it will be another nickle cheaper tomorrow, maybe even 3.39?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:19 PM
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6. the jumps are looney(.30) whereas the drops are always small (.10 or less)
A friend in OH said that his gas station raised prices 30 cents 3 different times within a week a few months back, but it'd only drop 5-10 cents every week. They're making more profit than ever (big oil) so clearly, they're screwing the consumer with no worries.

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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 01:10 PM
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20. EXPORTS of gasoline is why you are still paying a high price
The reason why gas is still high here is because oil companies are exporting gasoline to other countries, mainly South America to maintain high prices here.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:29 PM
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8. I've given up complaining about the price of crude and the way it is manipulated. I
Edited on Thu Oct-13-11 08:29 PM by demosincebirth
don't have a clue.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:57 PM
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10. Benchmark crude fell $1.34 to end the day at $84.23 a barrel
Ir was only $78 a few days back.

I think its two steps forward, one step back as they try to quietly pump it back near $100.
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Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 11:15 PM
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11. Drop in export growth doesn't mean slowdown.
If China gets its domestic consumption going, as it plans to do, nobody is going to care about exports.
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In Other News Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 12:16 AM
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25. "China slowdown"
:wtf:
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