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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 10:28 AM
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Obama Sold Israel Bunker-Buster Bombs
Source: The Daily Beast (Newsweek Story Monday)

While publicly pressuring Israel to make deeper concessions to the Palestinians, President Obama has secretly authorized significant new aid to the Israeli military that includes the sale of 55 deep-penetrating bombs known as bunker busters, Newsweek has learned.

<snip>

In an exclusive story to be published Monday on growing military cooperation between the two allies, U.S. and Israeli officials tell Newsweek that the GBU-28 Hard Target Penetratorspotentially useful in any future military strike against Iranian nuclear siteswere delivered to Israel in 2009, just several months after Obama took office.

The military sale was arranged behind the scenes as Obamas demands for Israel to stop building settlements in disputed territories were fraying political relations between the two countries in public.

Obamas security cooperation extended beyond bunker busters. According to Rep. Steve Rothman (D-NJ), who serves on the committees that fund both the U.S. military and foreign aid, Obama gave orders to the military to ratchet up the cooperation at every level with Israel.





Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/23/presid...



O Jerusalem! The President paying homage to our our Lords and their Lobby.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 10:33 AM
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1. Nothing like giving old Nutty-Yahoo the old wink-wink when it comes to attacking Eye-Ran...
...way to go Mr. Nobel Peace Laureate.... :eyes:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:02 AM
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2. And we wonder why the Arab states --
don't like or trust us. :(
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blueknight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:03 AM
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3. and this
is why we are hated in the arab world
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:39 PM
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19. That's not true
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 12:39 PM by Cali_Democrat
They hate us for our freedom, not because we attack numerous Muslim countries and blindly support Israel.

That's what we've been told. Surely our dear leaders wouldn't lie to us like that.
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:04 PM
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42. not the only reason ...
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:06 PM
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43. Not entirely.
At least a few Mid-Eastern governments really do hate, or did hate, this country because of our democratic traditions; certainly Iran, Syria, and what was Saddam's Iraq, and probably Gaddafi's Libya as well......the people, however, are a different story, I would feel.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:19 PM
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47. There is a big difference between disliking the US
vis a vis values and dislike of the US 'policies'...U of Md. scholar/professor Shibley Telhami makes that distinctions and has stated that it is US policies that are disliked in the Arab world.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:14 AM
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4. Bunker buster bombs, land mines, black site "prisons"...
No wonder Obama won the peace prize. Makes sense to me! It`s about time to stop with the "They hate us for our freedoms" crap.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:16 AM
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5. Not very Liberal
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:24 AM
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6. Didn't all previous Presidents
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:33 AM
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7. Which tells me that the current president doesn't really represent significant 'change'. n/t
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:42 AM
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8. So "the change" you expected was that the US wouldn't continue to support...
Israel and its defenses? :shrug: How exactly would that work?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 11:55 AM
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9. 'Bunker busters' are not defensive weapons. n/t
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:18 PM
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12. Did you hear Ahmadinijahd yesterday? He's a fucking lunatic.
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 12:19 PM by Tarheel_Dem
:eyes:
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cpwm17 Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:44 PM
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21. Iran hasn't started a war since before the US was a nation
How many wars has the US or Israel started in that time?

Wars are our number one export. We love wars. Don't project our war loving on Iran. Iran doesn't have a culture of war.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:46 PM
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23. What you said.
:thumbsup:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:49 PM
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24. Absolutely!!
Well said!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:52 PM
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26. "Iran doesn't have a culture of war."
Didn't really answer my question. But anyhoo....so you didn't hear the speech yesterday?
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 02:25 PM
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38. ditto
I wonder what kind of person would consider bunker busters a defensive weapon and Btw what did Ahmadinajad say yesterday that should promot the US to sell Israel a bunker buster?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:57 PM
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27. While the Iranian government says things,
The U.S. and Israeli governments attack incessantly, bringing death and misery to millions.

Which is crazier?
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:49 PM
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34. Hear Bibi he's a fucking lunatic
nt
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #8
48. Hey, guess what.. your vote doesnt matter
because you live in a red state...
so no issues should be of concern to you in either way!

just a lil reminder of your own philosophical stance!
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:40 PM
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33. No. RTFA.
The Israelis first requested the bunker busters in 2005, only to be rebuffed by the Bush administration. At the time, the Pentagon had frozen almost all U.S.-Israeli joint defense projects out of concern that Israel was transferring advanced military technology to China.

In 2007, Bush informed Ehud Olmert, then prime minister, that he would order the bunker busters for delivery in 2009 or 2010. The Israelis wanted them in 2007. Obama finally released the weapons in 2009, according to officials familiar with the still-secret decision.
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:05 PM
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10. That's so two-faced.
He pretends to oppose the expansion of settlements, but he equips Israel to be our proxy should shit come to a head with Iran. That's just repulsive.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:17 PM
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11. Doesn't sound like it was too much of a secret. nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:36 PM
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18. It's only a secret if Wikileaks has to leak it...
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 12:39 PM by KansDem
Otherwise, it's "catapulting the propaganda."
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:43 PM
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20. it happened in 2009
if it's only being reported now, then yes, it has been a secret until now.
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:24 PM
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13. I don't think that this is necessarily about the Palestinian issue at all. It is about protection
from other potential enemy attacks.......of course the US is going to be supporting Israel.
We have a strong commitment to them. Showing support for the two state solution doesn't indicate that our support for their well being is any less or real
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Wilmer Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:35 PM
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17. Nonsense.
Do a simple body count: The Palestinians have infinitely more to fear from Israel than the other way around.

It's high time the US had a leader with the courage to reconsider our relationship with Israel, and to tie the billions of dollars we give them, overtly and covertly, to their willingness to stop building on land that rightfully belongs to the Palestinians. I once believed that Obama could have been that leader, but I was wrong. On the issue of Israel and the Palestinians, as with every other issue in front of Obama, the truth is expressed not in what he says but what he *does.*
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:24 PM
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32. You miss the point of my post.
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 01:33 PM by tropicanarose
The protection of Israel is not from Palestine. It is from all of the other Arab nations that loathe Israel. I am in favor of the two state solution. I am fully aware that aid to Israel is something that angers many as well as the lobby for Israel in Congress here in the USA.
I was only stating that military protection/support of Israel doesn't in any way imply that we are aiding them to attack but rather to protect them in the event that they are attacked. It is as simple as that.
This isn't about Palestine. Many Israelis are in favor of the two state solution.

It seems to be a popular meme here among some that everything that Obama and/or the Obama administration says or does is wrong and any stance he takes isn't in keeping with the principles of the Democratic Party.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:26 PM
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14. More swag for the MIC and their cohorts
Party Time! :party:...for the upper 1%!!!
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:27 PM
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15. If we're going to sell arms - it might as well be Israel.
I'm pro Israel (insult me if you like), but I also want Palestine to have their land too. If we are not friends with Israel then who would be?
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Muskypundit Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:31 PM
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16. Hopefully no one
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. Awww-You'll continue to be disappointed
if that's your attitude. Most Americans feel much, much differently.
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Muskypundit Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:58 PM
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37. Yea. I always am when it comes to israel.
I always hope for the best, even though I know the palestinians are brown people, and therefore not worthy of independence and self determination.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. I'm sure your babbling means something
but I have no idea what it is.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:46 PM
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22. Why can't we still be friends with them without selling them weapons
and blindly supporting their apartheid policies?

:think:
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cpwm17 Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:51 PM
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25. What is it about Israel that makes you pro Israel?
It certainly can't be their behavior or what they stand for. No liberal can support that.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:15 PM
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29. Really?
And what's to support about Palestine? Or Iran? Or Saudi Arabia? Their suicide bombers? Their hanging of their gays? Their treatment of women as property (respectively)? As a supposed liberal, you support all that?
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:21 PM
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31. I support both
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 01:24 PM by Seedersandleechers
Sorry if that's not liberal enough for you. Any country that is surrounded by people who want to crush you should have weapons.
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cpwm17 Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 02:29 PM
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39. The thing is
Israel is actually crushing its neighbors.

Ask the Lebanese that face constant war from Israel.

Ask the Palestinians that live under a brutal Apartheid state.

Ask all of the Palestinians that have been ethnically cleansed from their homeland, because the Israelis believe the writings in some ancient book gives them the right.

Ask the Palestinians that have their homes bulldozed by Israel with little warning.

Ask the Palestinians that have most of their water stolen by Israel so that some racist colonizers (settlers) can live in luxury.

Ask the Palestinians that are imprisoned in the Gaza Strip because they practice the wrong religion, etc.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:15 PM
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30. Yeah, there may be a few kids in Gaza that don't glow in the dark yet. n/t
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:51 PM
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35. I have no problem with this. nt
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 02:40 PM
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40. Garage Sale Leftovers
We must be in deep financial straits to sell out some of the stuff that has been collecting dust in the closet.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:57 PM
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36. U.S. Foreign Aid Usually Goes Out as Vouchers for Weapons
The United States makes money off of "foreign aid."
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 02:42 PM
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41. and all the while Israel puts our secrets up for sale
to the highest bidder...
on a regular basis.
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Abin Sur Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:08 PM
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44. Good.
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:13 PM
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45. I am sure they will come in handy against Palestinian school buildings as well
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:34 PM
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49. And Israel sold drones to Turkey.
Do they plan to return them?
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EdinGA Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 03:40 PM
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50. I think I'm beginning to understand why...
...Presidents go on these junkets every so often. If you recall, Obama was in India recently and it came out that he was really on a sales trip, selling weapons. I didn't know that was part of the job description, exporting death for the big multinats, but come election time you do what ya gotta do I suppose. But I would like it if these trips weren't called "fact finding tours" and whatnot. Just tell us it's an arms sales trip and that you'll be back in a few days to run the country again.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 05:47 PM
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51. Does Obama ever do anything just because it is the right thing to do?
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 06:06 PM
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52. Locking -
"O Jerusalem! The President paying homage to our our Lords and their Lobby."

Whatever the intent, this editorial comment is inappropriate and divisive, in our opinion.
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