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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:35 AM
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Dick Cheney: Hillary Clinton As President Would Have Made Different U.S.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 11:44 AM by onehandle
Source: AP

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Rodham Clinton isn't president, but Dick Cheney says that if she were in the White House rather than Barack Obama, then things might be different today in the country.

Cheney isn't getting into specifics, but he does think that "perhaps she might have been easier for some of us who are critics of the president to work with."

The former vice president tells "Fox News Sunday" that it's his sense that the secretary of state is "one of the more competent members" of the Obama administration and it would be "interesting to speculate" about how she would have performed as president.

Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic nomination to Obama, who went on to beat Republican John McCain in the general election. Obama named Clinton as the country's top diplomat.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/04/dick-cheney-hi...



I did not support Hillary in the primary, and you may flame away, but I somewhat agree. Not because of this asshole's opinion or that Hillary's policies would be much different. But because the Klan... I mean, the Tea Party probably wouldn't have been so energized.

Additionally from 2009: Hillary Clinton Questions Dick Cheneys Credibility

"Well, it wont surprise you, I dont consider him a particularly reliable source of information," responded Secretary Clinton to a smattering of laughter in the hearing room.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/04/hillary-cl...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:37 AM
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1. She might have been easier for some of us who are racists to work with. nt
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 11:38 AM by gateley
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:41 AM
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3. So true
But I do beleive that they would have come up with other reasons to be just as rude and nasty and uncooperative. The GOP hated the Clintons.

I think they would have revived Whitewater, Vince Foster and a whole bunch of other chain email phony bullshit to keep her from being successful too.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:45 AM
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5. Yeah, it's not like they were simpatico when her husband was POTUS.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:29 PM
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29. I absolutely agree with Mz Pip.
The GOP would have tried to torpedo her presidency, as well. The "vast right-wing conspiracy" -- which did exist, as we all know, aside from Bill Clinton's giving them the ammo they needed -- would have geared up again so fast our heads would spin.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:05 PM
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49. she would have kicked their ass though
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:04 PM
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51. correct
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:48 AM
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8. Cheney thanks you for taking the bait.
:eyes:
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:35 PM
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33. The Koch Brothers would have chewed her up and spit her out.
The Kochs planned the Tea Party for any Democrat who got elected. They would have been just as effective at destroying Hillary as they have been with Obama. And if John Edwards had gotten in, he would have been impeached and removed from office by now.

Anyone who thinks Hillary would have been more effective is living in a dream world.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:44 AM
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58. You Mean People Like Jesse Jackson Jr?
Agreed.

"But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama."
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:40 AM
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2. So, we're supposed to NOT elect a black man because it may stir-up the bigots?
Look at the teabaggers. I mean, LOOK at them. The only 'energy' that keeps most of them running is Koch money. Sorry, but if you're going to fumble about for an excuse to revive PUMA crapola, you'll have to do better than blaming the teabaggers on Barack Obama. My prediction: before day's end, the Dick of Death's quote will have provided a stalking horse for division in the Democratic party at least 20 times. Mods, PLEASE take note!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:43 PM
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30. That's why he said it.
My prediction: before day's end, the Dick of Death's quote will have provided a stalking horse for division in the Democratic party at least 20 times.

More divide and conquer. As I mentioned in another thread, the strategy is to wear out the opposition with in-fighting. The Pukes find it incredibly easy to work with Obama. They ask for things and he says yes, even offering more on occasion.

Pukes get their policies rubber stamped, then they attack Obama causing all of us that he has let down to defend him all the while being confused.

I haven't liked Obama from the word go but it gets my ire up when they criticize him after getting every thing they never even dared dream of.

PS. I supported Hillary but am totally off her now.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:48 AM
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59. Could You Pleaes Refer Me to the Part of the Article Where He Said That?
I can't see it in the text.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:43 AM
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4. Well, isn't he the happy shit stirrer.
Because the GOP didn't do anything mean to Bill Clinton or Al Gore or John Kerry. Yep, they were just waiting for the little lady.

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:47 AM
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6. SOme of you seem to be more than willing to bite judging
from the replies here. Here's a hint : He's trolling.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:48 AM
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7. Just trying to divide Democrats. I'm certain she would have been "easy to work with", anyway.
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:48 AM
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9. And why we are supposed to listen to ol' Dick about anything?
Every time he opens his mouth, lies pour out. He is an unconvicted war criminal who likes waterboarding. So we need HIS feedback on the Obama presidency??? And the Rethuglicans would not have gone after Hillary CLINTON???

puh-leez.
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notGaryOldman Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:45 PM
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25. Winner!
/thread
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lester94111 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:53 AM
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10. Al Gore As President Would Have Made Different U.S
Al Gore As President Would Have Made Different U.S if the election had not been stolen
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:54 AM
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12. Agreed. There wouldn't have as much of a mess to clean up.
9/11 probably wouldn't have happened.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:07 PM
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17. Egg Zack Lee
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 12:12 PM by Botany
No 9/11
No war in Afghanistan
No war in iraq
No torture
No spying
No failed response to Katrina and the $ that was taken for the levies for the war in Iraq would have been there along with the Louisiana National Guard
No Dick Cheney Energy Task force meeting so no massive oil leak in the gulf because the requirement for the acoustic shut off valves for deep
water oil rigs would still be in effect
No secret deals with Moammar Gadhafi
No Ohio 2004
No massive wild run salmon kill in the west
No shooting a man in the face after drinking and getting away with it
No tax cuts for the rich so we would have had no deficit
No sitting around and doing nothing as the economy went to hell
No trying to kill legitimate science on global warming
No Justice Roberts and Allito ..... No citizen's united ruling
and my friend's son would not be dying from brain cancer because he was exposed to KBR's burn pits

sorry I forgot no outing a CIA agent which no doubt resulted in the deaths and torture of many people, no roll back of a CIA cover company that cost 10s of
millions to produce, and we are all less safe because Val Plame was on the trail of real WMDs.

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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:16 PM
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38. Yup
But Ralph Nader and his voters disagree.
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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:07 PM
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26. +1
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:14 PM
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44. Yep - Joe would have been one heartbeat from the Presidency.
And not Joe Biden.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:54 AM
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11. He probably means that Republicans would had gotten more of what they wanted.
Which I say is bull. There wouldn't had been much difference. She might had done better in some and worse in others but overall about the same.

Would health care had been on the forefront? I think it still would have. And the teabaggers would had still been there. And therefore energized. The teabaggers didn't do it on their own. They had help from the insurance companies and right wing think tanks.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:58 AM
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13. who give a flying fuck about what this lying fucking sociopath has to say?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:05 PM
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15. my thoughts exactly
didn't he say before when pressed that he didn't give a damn what we thought? well, back atcha, big dick!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:03 PM
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48. +1
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:05 PM
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52. He's trying to sell his book!
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:02 PM
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14. lmao, of course hes gonna say that.
as someone whos definitely not happy with obama, lets not kid ourselves. one corporate sell out over another wouldnt have done a thing.
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Jello Biafra Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:07 PM
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16. Cheney needs to go away and STFU.....n/t
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:08 PM
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18. This just in.....HILLARY IS WHITE..
:evilgrin:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:09 PM
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19. When a War Criminal speaks, does anyone listen?
That liar has not had anything worthwhile to say as long as I have been aware of him.

I think his poll numbers worldwide are in the single digits and here when they finally left office after destroying several countries including this one, his poll numbers were 13%. Now, they probably don't even register.


Obama chose not to allow any investigations to go forward of these war criminals, and as a result they are still free to lie and profit from their crimes.

Dick Cheney opening his mouth has as much significance as any other serial killer doing so.

If I were Hillary I would quickly distance myself from his remarks. He's probably trying to destroy her reputation.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:10 PM
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20. If Hillary had been elected, he'd be saying the same thing about Obama.
He's full of shit. He's just trying to get his name/face in the press.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 09:34 AM
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61. BS - If anybody things HRC and BHO would govern the same
way, then they are not paying attention. Just because Cheney said it doesn't move it into the untrue category.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 10:48 AM
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62. I didn't say I thought it was true. I said Cheney would say it because
he's just trying to stir shit.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:06 AM
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63. I think he said it because he believes that it's true. What I don't
agree with is that stating something reflecting a stranglehold on the obvious stirs anything. There is no value added to analyzing his motive, especially with the blind vitriol often reflected - he's not going to run for anything.

Just acknowledge the truth of the statement with a "Well, duh" and move on.
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:25 PM
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21. When people like Cheney say that, it means "more like us" or "we could manipulate her more"
"competent" to these people means "they do it my way"
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:28 PM
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22. Blah, blah,blah, I for one am glad she isn't president. I suppose Chaney figures she would just go
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 12:32 PM by wisteria
along with Repubs and not give them a hard time. Obama was able to do what she couldn't win the Presidency and change health care in America. You have to love the idea being spread by Republicans that Obama is hard to work with. I think it is the other way around. Clinton is being pushed only because she is even more of a Washington insider. And, besides-what credibility does someone like Chaney have?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:38 PM
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23. Sit down and shut up, troll.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:41 PM
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24. If X were president instead of Y, the country would be a bit different
Indubitably.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:09 PM
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27. Might've been harder for the sexists though...
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:21 PM
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28. yes it would. with her at the helm, we'd be in seven or eight wars instead of six.
she's a huge war hawk and into nation-building overseas. no thanks, Obama is bad enough.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:22 PM
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31. Fuck Cheney.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:27 PM
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32. who gives a fuck about what you think, you old, decrepit fool?
no one asked you. You fucked this country up and you have nothing more to add to the situation.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:12 PM
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34. Bullshit!
The right's hatred of the Clintons was amply on display during Bill Clinton's presidency. They absolutely hated Hillary as well. Jesus Christ could be a Democratic President and the right would still assail and hate him. Their hatred would have had a sexist rather than a racist background. We would have had Clinton's infidelities, Whitewater, the Vince Foster affair, Monicagate and impeachment dug up all over again. Believe me, it would have been hatred and disrespect of Hillary in a different form. The tone would have been the same.
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Tom Ripley Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:14 PM
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35. If I want to hear the opinions of a psychopath, I go for Charles Manson interviews
they are far more entertaining
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:59 PM
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36. No, she and Obama are both Corporatists.
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Papagoose Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:02 PM
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37. BS - they HATED Hillary from the day Bill Clinton announced his candidacy
Think of the vile things said about Hillary Clinton when she was First Lady, the accusations of corruption, and even murder. For eight years we had to hear how far left wing Hillary was, how she was a communist, an atheist, a hippie...

It's not that Hillary would be easier to get along with, just that Obama is easier to hate.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:16 PM
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39. Yeah. They'd lower themselves to deal with a woman vs a black man.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:30 PM
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40. More Right Wing attempts to divide & conquer...
The Republicans have always known how easy it is to turn Democrats against themselves...SAD!

Republicans would NEVER allow us to start fights within their party...But they are a solid Party that sticks together knowing you get what you want by doing so even if it means just a little at a time.

Oh well.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:24 PM
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41. "We'd rather have had the WHITE woman!"
That's the code he's sending. And kills two birds trying to drive the divide-and-conquer wedge for the "I wish Hillary was president" crowd.

And if he's not sending the racist dog whistle that they'd rather have a white POTUS regardless of gender than a black one any day of the week, the implication is that she'd have been more colloquial with the GOP.

Anyone grasping at this crap as affirmation that she might have been better than President Obama is desperate indeed.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:51 PM
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42. The GOP's approach is to go negative, so...
...I don't doubt in the least that the 'cans would have been demonizing a President Hillary Rodham Clinton from the get-go. In fact I confess to having been somewhat relieved she wasn't the candidate because the GOP was so boorish when President Bill Clinton was in the White House. Remember then-Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich calling Hillary a "bitch"? Senator John McCain making a nasty joke about the attorney general AND the president's daughter?

nd let's not go into the festival of bile and sexism that was the GOP response to Nancy Pelosi's rise to the speakership.

So let's not fantasize about the easier road President Hillary Clinton might've had.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:00 PM
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43. Well of course he thinks she would be better...
She's White...Obama is not.

However...if she would have been elected, he would attack her because...she's a woman.

Hey DicKKK, F. Off and Die.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:18 PM
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45. Exactly.
Can't trust anything he says.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:43 PM
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46. Translation: DLC sHillary is an even better corporatist than Obama n/t
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:47 PM
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47. My urine is too good for this bastard's inevitable grave.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 08:49 PM by HughBeaumont
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:48 PM
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50. That's the best thing I've heard said about Barack Obama, ever--
--that Obama is hard for "some of us" to work with, in Dick Cheney's opinion. He couldn't have paid Obama a higher compliment--and I am very, VERY glad to hear this.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:01 PM
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53. trollolololo
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:38 PM
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54. oh. if cheney says so, then it must be true.
:eyes:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 03:19 AM
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55. And if the Indians would have had machine guns . . .
this would have been a different U.S.

:rofl:

Oh, how I love to make fun of Dick.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 06:10 AM
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56. what a joke
they loves them some Hillary just like they loves them some Nancy Pelosi.

Just another attempt by the wingnuts to bring Obama down. He's doing a good job of that himself, though.

If Hillary were Pres, we'd be in the same boat we are now but we'd probably be at war with Yemen and Iran as well.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:24 AM
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57. He's wrong.
Their policies are more or less the same.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:58 AM
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60. Agreed, For the Most Part
I do think HC would have had more legislative victories, and I'd like to think she would also have been more savvy about making her compromises look less compromising, lest she appear like a total doormat. IMO, if a female president caved as much as Obama appears to, she'd have been run out of town on a rail already.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:11 PM
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64. OMG
I did support Hillary, and I am appalled to have to say I feel the same way. Now I'll go take a shower. Agreeing with Cheney will make you feel that way. Yucky.
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 11:38 PM
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65. When has this evil moron ever been correct about anything?
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 12:27 AM
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66.  Mr Chaney
Take a trip to Europe and leave the decent Americans to ponder what could have been without you and your little side kick in power for eight years.You two evil bastards help start America on its spiral downward,thanks Dick,now go fuck yourself,you evil criminal.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:01 AM
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67. Isn't this fucker dead yet? I guess Cheney and Babs do have a competition..
Which POS can outlive the other...


I thought that nasty babs would be dead by June of this year. Now I'm not sure...One of them before X-mas?
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 01:07 PM
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68. Different? Yes, she has bigger balls than Obama - thus there would have been less embarrassment
for us these past few years.

However, overall expect that where the government is now would be approximately the same. For, I saw her then, and see her now, as part of, or (more accurately) a tool of, the old plutocracy, whilst Obama is clearly a tool of the new.

I still prefer the (ever thinner) illusion of democracy under the Democrats, to the naked fist of Republican fascism.



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