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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:22 PM
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Lack of Resolution in Iraq Finds Conservatives Divided
A growing faction of conservatives is voicing doubts about a prolonged United States military involvement in Iraq, putting hawkish neoconservatives on the defensive and posing questions for President Bush about the degree of support he can expect from his political base.

The continuing violence and mounting casualties in Iraq have given new strength to the traditional conservative doubts about using American military power to remake other countries and about the potential for Western-style democracy without a Western cultural foundation. In in the eyes of many conservatives, the Iraqi resistance has discredited the more hawkish neoconservatives a group closely identified with Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense, and William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard.

Considered descendants of a group of mostly Jewish intellectuals who switched from the political left to the right at the height of the cold war, the neoconservatives are defined largely by their conviction that American military power can be a force for good in the world. They championed the invasion of Iraq as a way to turn that country into a bastion of democracy in the Middle East.

"In late May of last year, we neoconservatives were hailed as great visionaries," said Kenneth R. Weinstein, chief operating officer of the Hudson Institute, a center of neoconservative thinking. "Now we are embattled, both within the conservative movement and in the battle over postwar planning.

"Those of us who favored a more muscular approach to American foreign policy and a more Wilsonian view of our efforts in Iraq find ourselves pitted against more traditional conservatives, who have more isolationist instincts to begin with, and they are more willing to say, `Bring the boys home,' " Mr. Weinstein said.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/19/politics/19CONS.html
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:26 PM
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1. Ah...see how it works with these assholes?



If you don't want to invade a country that poses no threat, you are an "isolationist"...nice.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:27 PM
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2. "Muscular"? You mean, like thugs?
And why are they being allowed to preach the spreading democracy line when they were carving up the country and selling it off to corporate interests that were going to clean it like a turkey carcass after Thanksgiving?

Democracy, my Aunt Fanny. A puppet government is not a democracy.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:41 PM
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3. Ahaaa yesssss.....
...and the neo-cons are now talking quite openly about using tactical nuclear weapons on the civilian populations of Iraq to "show them that America means business". How long can George W. Bush resist this kind of endorsement from the extreme right wing? :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:44 PM
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4. you have a link on that, Mr. Cut-and-Paste?
:silly:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:14 AM
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6. haven't read this... but there was some floating this idea
during the Afghanistan war - echoed by congressman Buyer (sp) of Indiana. Wouldn't surprise me if the rhetoric has re-emerged per Iraq.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:47 PM
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5. All this mass murder and nothing to show for it. Tisk tisk GOPrs
Who would of thunk it?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:20 AM
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7. What bull roar.
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 12:20 AM by yardwork
"In late May of last year, we neoconservatives were hailed as great visionaries,"

By whom? Themselves? Nobody else was hailing them as visionaries of anything but sludge.

They dare to compare themselves to Wilson? He helped found the League of Nations. The neo-cons disdain the U.N. until it's time to call mommy and daddy to help them out of the mess they've made.

And all that crap about "Western-style democracy" makes me ill. All they're interested in are Western-style profits.
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