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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:10 PM
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Cheney portrays Kerry as threat to gun owners | CNN
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 02:11 PM by DinoBoy
Cheney portrays Kerry as threat to gun owners
Columbine dad turned away from convention


Sunday, April 18, 2004 Posted: 1:53 PM EDT (1753 GMT)


Cheney, center, accepts a rifle from
NRA President Kayne Robinson, right, and
NRA Vice President Wayne R. LaPierre
Saturday.


PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney portrayed President Bush and himself as champions of the Second Amendment -- and Democratic candidate John Kerry as a potential threat to gun owners -- in a speech at the National Rifle Association's 133rd annual convention Saturday.

"John Kerry's approach to the Second Amendment has been to regulate, regulate and then regulate some more," Cheney said, citing votes against legislation that would protect gun makers from lawsuits and in favor of allowing federal authorities to randomly inspect gun dealers without notice.

Cheney lauded the NRA for its safety programs and said the best way to prevent gun crimes was to enforce existing laws. Federal prosecutions of crimes committed with guns increased 68 percent under President Bush, he told the crowd.

More at CNN
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:14 PM
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:57 PM
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23. Yup, amazing that the most controlling governance is doing this.
Typical. "They" (that would be the freon neocon imperialists) are doing another flip-flop deliverance of what they really seek,...power in their hands and nobody else's. SOOOOOO typical!!!!
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 04:10 PM
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25. Kerry said "No one is going to take your Guns Away!!!"
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:01 PM
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26. Cheney is a threat to brain owners.
Kerry should be saying that!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:15 PM
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2. Cheney, the look of psycotic fantasy in his eyes.
While American soldiers die for his toxic OIL!

If he likes guns so much theres one

waiting for him to pick up in Iraq.

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:23 PM
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3. Cheney is the terrorist's best friend.
Cheney and the NRA seek unrestricted access to guns which translates into unrestricted access for terrorists and psych cases as well as today's law-abiding citizen who may tomorrow be a terrorist or a psycho. Osama says thanks Unka Dickhead.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:41 PM
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4. "Federal prosecutions of crimes commited with guns...
increased 68% under president bush"...I should hope so, since the crime rate has risen as well. People are getting desperate under the administrations economic "gains"!

A few more "gains" like this, and 35% of the country will be on bread lines... :(

When was the last time the national crime report came out,was it 2001?
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:48 PM
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5. Oh shut up Cheney
Your'e a threat to humanity
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:54 PM
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6. This
from a "sportsman" who's had more than 400 helpless birds literally THROWN in front of his shotgun..

a real hero..

Two things here:

First: Kerry needs to push Child deaths from loose guns.

Second: The Progressives need to start a DEMOCRATIC NRA and pull the SANE gun users away from the pack of scary assholes.

I've been saying this for years. It's simple and it would work.

I'd join, and here's the mantra, "I'm a Liberal and I'm loaded for bear. But I know that you don't hunt with an automatic rifle, and I'm for keeping kids safe from guns in the household. No one wants to take your gun away from you, as a matter of fact, CHENEY AND BUSH are putting more gun owners in Jail than ever before."

:)
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Cicero Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:07 PM
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7. Ahem...
First: Kerry needs to push Child deaths from loose guns.

Not too many there. Isn't the accidental death rate from guns for those aged 0-14 at a record low right now???

But I know that you don't hunt with an automatic rifle

Not too many people I know who hunt with automatic rifles either, but I don't think they should be illegal to own. Besides, there hasn't been much problem with them anyway, as they have been strictly regulated since 1934.

Later,

:eyes:
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:13 PM
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9. The total number of accidental deaths
from guns including both adults in children is around 700-800 a year as I recall from the last time it was mentioned in the dungeon.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:30 PM
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13. sorry
but I know better, my pal bought a freaking Chinese automatic rifle back in 1997 that would take out a whole neighborhood in about 15 minutes and as far as I know it was perfectly legal..

there are plenty of these things floating around at gun shows, remember, no one plugged any laws at these functions..

ain't biting.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:46 PM
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21. Did your pal pay the $200 tax for it?
And undergo a background check complete with submission of fingerprints and photos?

If not, it was an illegal purchase.

By the way, has he gone out and committed any crimes with his "Chinese automatic rifle"?
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:17 PM
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10. Lot's of people hunt with
semi-automatic rifles. Since lots of full auto rifles are select fire, there's really nothing stopping lots of them from being effective hunting rifles either. As was mentioned below here, full-auto weapons have been regulated pretty heavily since 1934 and all that regulation has really inflated the prices. I doubt anyone is going to traipse through the woods with a $10,000 machine gun to hunt when they could do it just as effectively with a $400 semi-auto rifle.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:32 PM
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15. those guns
are designed to slaughter humans, they are not designed to "hunt".. most of them leave nothing but feathers behind even with a single shot.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have them, if they are sane, they have that right.. BUT, I get sick and tired of people pretending they are for hunting, they aren't.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:35 PM
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17. Most people don't hunt birds with rifles.
As far as hunting deer or something, what's the difference between hunting a deer with a semi-auto Remington 7400, a semi-auto FAL, or a full auto FAL using only the semi-auto setting?
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ultramega Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:44 PM
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20. Dem NRA, that is a sane idea.
Because there seem to be so many gun freaks on d.u.

It doesn't seem to be a partisan issue.

BTW, I heard someone mention symbolman on Randi Rhodes the other day. Did you call in? They mentioned seventhson and d.u., too.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:52 PM
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22. That wouldn't even be necessary
All Democrats would have to do is actively support the 2nd Amendment and there would be no need for a "Democratic NRA." Most Republicans give only token support for it anyway, so it's an issue that can easily be stolen away from them. In fact, I am of the belief that if all Democrats adopted this stance, we would never lose a national election again.
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:11 PM
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8. No better than Saddam pumping his rifle in the air
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 03:18 PM by shpongled
That is one creepy picture.





:eyes:
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spt5 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:17 PM
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11. good comparison
aha...nice
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:49 PM
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27. Hi spt5!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:17 PM
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12. Did Dick say "From my cold, dead hands!"
I love that image from Bowling for Columbine where Chuck Heston was in Denver just after Columbine holding one of those super long rifles over his head saying "From my cold, dead hands!".

Who gives a shit about Cheney and the NRA? We know they will vote for Bush but probably not as many or as enthusiastically as 2000. Kerry is hunter, was in the military, and many are just pissed off at Bush anyway.

Maybe Cheney can get on Limbaugh again to talk about guns <yawn>.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:40 PM
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19. Actually
Heston never spoke those words in Denver. Check your facts.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:31 PM
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14. I wish Kerry would just be blatantly honest about the Bush regime,...
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 03:32 PM by Just Me
,...and tell the American people, once and for all, what the freon neocons seek: another Empire.

"They", the freon neocons, down-played their agenda from everyone as "they" invested in a COVERT "marketing" campaign to convince others into merely another wacko invention no less repulsive than the hitler regime,...

The world (humanity) is repulsed at another "imperialist" agenda. Hitler was enough,...and, we are just beginning to be fully informed about all the other "imperialist" agendas that have resulted in an incomprehensible loss of life across this globe,...which fully and shamefully included the full cooperation of the USA.

Of course, Kerry is buried in the political game. Which is why, no matter how contraversial he may be in these times,...I appreciate Nader's voice,...sprewing a truth that the political pawns are way too correct and fearful,...to do.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:34 PM
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16. Cheney and Bush
will be the FIRST ONES to take away these people's guns just as soon as they can swing it after they've created a proper empire and enough jack booted thugs.

Hitler did it, and these guys are cut of the same cloth.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 03:36 PM
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18. It would be kind of weird if Bush didn't
sign some more gun control. He'd be the first Republican president in a good long time not to.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 04:05 PM
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24. And There You Have It
That pictures illustrates how sick he really is. One quote comes to mind: "Herrrrrre's Johnny!"
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