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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:09 AM
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Cheney 'deranged' says Pyongyang
Seoul April 19, 2004 - 12:52AM

North Korea described US Vice President Dick Cheney as "mentally deranged" yesterday after he reiterated the United States' position on how to resolve a nuclear standoff with Pyongyang during his recent visit to South Korea.

North Korea "is seriously contemplating a measure to counter the US oft-repeated demand that it scrap its nuclear program first," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

Washington has insisted on a "complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantling" of all the communist North's nuclear facilities, but Pyongyang says it will do so only if the United States provides economic aid and security guarantees.

North Korea "has no idea of dealing with the US any longer if the latter insists on the disgusting CVID," the spokesman was quoted as saying by KCNA, the North's official news agency, adding that North Korea considers Cheney "a mentally deranged person."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082226647...
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:11 AM
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1. He's RIGHT. NK is of NO threat to us AT ALL, unless the PNAC, who is
after the NK OIL... stops threatening THEM.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:11 AM
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2. And cheney is a lunatic, BTW...
sorry.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:07 PM
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17. Dim Il Bush said North Korea was "cooperating"
He said that on his Meet the Press gig earlier this year, re NK's nuclear nuk-u-leer weapons program. Russert let the remark pass, so it must be true. eh?

Let's see, maybe Bush wants to dump Cheney and Kim Jong Il is helping by saying Oil Slick Dick is deranged.

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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:26 PM
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26. So those threats about nuking our cities were what?
Greeting cards?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:17 AM
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3. .....I've been saying that for a long time, Cheney couldn't even
make a good circus clown.

Tony Blair is no better than a carnival barker.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:20 AM
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4. I believe Cheney's comment was
"We will destroy the vestiges of oppressive regimes." I heard this reported once on the news media yesterday. I've been listening to the news almost non-stop for three days. The comment was made in a speech to military troops in S.Korea. Judge the sanity of that comment for yourself.
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ultramega Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 12:49 PM
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14. We're planning to invade Saudi Arabia? n/t
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:23 AM
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5. I have a feeling that all this posturing by Cheney
has something to do with the change in South Korea power from the corporate elites to the liberals who are in favor of reunification efforts with North Korea.

Cheney is trying to keep the pot stirred so that the North and South will not continue talks about reunification.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:31 AM
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6. Interesting hypothesis, Robbien
Are you thinking that oil is behind that "logic" (of Cheney's/PNAC)?
Of something else?

s_m
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:39 AM
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7. Not so much oil, but of course that always plays a part
in foreign politics. The major reason though would be the military base the US has in South Korea. It is critical for the US to have that base in the East, just as it is critical for the US to have bases in Iraq.

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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:45 AM
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8. It's the method of re-unification they object to.
Conservative forces here and in the US have always seen the only method of re-unification as being one where the South assimilates the North. Roh Moo Hyun and the current crop of liberals are much more interested in helping North Korea become somewhat financially liberalized pre-unification rather than post.

There was a great e-mail today from Znet about South Korea and Taiwan where the author talked about this in some detail.

Here's a very intersting letter to the editor in last Friday's Korea Herald: This is not a Dangerous Place
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 12:08 PM
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10. Ha! Everything is stage managed for Bush&Co.
from your link



I was at the Yongsan Collier Field House Gym, south post Yongsan, on Tuesday working out, and I saw American soldiers and some Department of Defense (DOD) civilians placing camouflage nets on the inside of gym to make it look like U.S. Vice President Cheney is visiting a war zone or a combat bunker. I was completely shocked to see people placing camouflage netting inside a perfectly safe building in order to make it look like Yongsan is a very dangerous place. The truth is, Yongsan is safer than any city in the United States.



chenGOD, do you have a link to the Znet article?
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chenGOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 12:45 PM
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13. Sorry no, it was e-mailed on the free e-mail list.
If you'd like it, drop me a PM with your e-mail and I could send it to you.

Yongsan is pretty safe. Hell everywhere in Seoul is very safe. The biggest danger you have to look out for (besides the drivers) is drunk soldiers in Itaewon.
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ultramega Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 12:58 PM
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16. Disgusting Disgustin Disgusting.
They have to be commended for figuring out that the truth does not matter at all, all that matters is appearance and spin and propaganda. And I would say that Dems have to take a little criticism for taking so long to accept that they are every bit as evil as they appear to be, and worse. House democrats have born the brunt of this worse than anything.

But I just can't top thinking bout Bush's tie the other night (press conference.) What the hell was that. They stage manage every single detail of everything and you know they knew exactly what that tie would come through the camera looking like. There's no way it was an accident. Were they trying to make him look unpretentious and unrehearsed? Or, my preference, make it so annoying that you couldn't look at Bush and would change the channel?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:47 PM
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23. This reminds me of the 1988 Olympics
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 02:49 PM by teryang
...in Seoul. The theme song is Hand in hand, over the wall, or something like that, a very beautiful song which presaged the falling of the wall in Berlin. "Son eh son jap go, byawk ul nawmasaw..." Russian athletes and athletes from east Germany and other communist countries were celebrated by the Koreans. At the time Samsung, Goldstar and other Korean companies were actively penetrating the Russian and eastern European markets. I could tell that something remarkable had happened and that the old cold war approach was dying. Of course, the real objective was that wall at the DMZ. While American personnel laughed at the N. Korean athletes, they had no idea what was happening around them.

Then Dan Qualye comes over and gives the same old cold war speech to the troops. The US alliance system in northeast Asia depends on the old north south conflict. The dunderheads and the defense contractors just can't let it go. They are so lacking in insight and creativity that they can't think of any alternatives.

In light of Kevin Phillips observations about the Bush Dynasty and its inextricably intertwined connections with the defense establishment, this group is bound to provoke conflict whenever and wherever possible. The objective here in my opinion is to sell strategic armaments to Japan, a very poor idea but profitable to missile and electronics manufacturers and if Cheney were to succeed also for the manufacturers of nuclear weapons. I believe that this is his ultimate objective, to arm Japan with nuclear weapons using N.Korea as the bogus pretext, while really seeking to curb Chinese military power. This is the same thing he did with Pakistan. He is a nuclear proliferator.

I understand that N.Korea has significant uranium deposits. I was unaware of the oil resources.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:47 AM
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9. Takes one to know one --it really does..nt
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 12:12 PM
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12. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You typed the words right off my keyboard! :toast:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 12:11 PM
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11. Hmmm,...I'd call him a greedy, stone-hearted, black hole!
Whereas, I believe it is pretty d*mned obvious that Pyongyang is quite the deranged one.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 12:54 PM
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15. Pot meet Kettle.
Coo.Coo.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:16 PM
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18. What's there to say when I am left to agree w/ a murdering psychopath.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 01:32 PM by alcuno
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:26 PM
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20. These days it seems that is the trend
There are many questionable leaders of nations, but when they come in direct conflict with BushCo I find myself on their side. It is so unsettling.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 01:24 PM
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19. Man, isn't it something when you welcome
the truth from all corners of the globe? I think it's over the top when these guys make statements about Cheney's sanity. Of course it's true, and we know it's posturing.

Still....it makes me nervous. We're within range of their long-range missiles.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:17 PM
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21. Here's a nice chilling question...
Kim Jong Il, convinced that Chimpy and Crashcart are even crazier than he is, takes a dive off into the deep end, sends his army into South Korea via the tunnels, opens up with everything he has (artillery, rockets, etc.), and breaks through to Seoul, which is expected.

What forces does the US send to repel the invasion? What happens next?

Just wondering. I don't have any answer to this

:scared:
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:35 PM
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22. The Korean Army and US Air Force
The attack would stall at the Han River. The US Air Force would obliterate Kim Jong Ils ill equipped, under-fueled, starving army. The South Korean ground forces would finish them off in no time. Their primary weapon would be pots of steaming of rice and jars of kim chi. When the troops from the north smelled the kimchi soup, they would desert by the hundreds of thousands.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:12 PM
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24. Security guarantee?
What guarantee could possibly mean anything from Bushco? They only respect strength, and that only a little bit. They got the part about Cheney being deranged correct, though.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:01 PM
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25. Takes one to know one!
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:31 PM
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27. How is this Latest Breaking News ?
We all have known for a long time that Cheney is mentally deranged.
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