Senate kills Boehner debt-limit bill

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Source: MSNBC

The Democratic-controlled Senate voted to table Republican House Speaker John Boehner's debt-limit bill Friday evening, effectively killing it less than two hours after the House passed it.

Democrats and several Republicans killed the GOP measure by a 59-41 vote, just minutes after it arrived from the House. Democrats opposed the measure because it would require another painful debt-limit debate early next year.

Boehner's plan, which passed the House 218-210 with no Democratic support, would have raised the debt ceiling $900 billion, cut spending $917 billion over a decade and call for a balanced-budget amendment before the limit could be raised again, presumably next year.

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Rep. Kathy Hochul, D-NY, told the House before the vote, "Never, never has there been an intentional disaster perpetrated by the very people who were sent here to be the caretakers of this country. ... Am I really supposed to tell the greatest generation that when they passed us the torch, we dropped it because we couldn’t compromise?"

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43949638/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

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[MichDem10]

1. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

They are scumbags!

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[Kingofalldems]

2. Kick and Rec one time for the teabaggers

[florida08]

3. Down in flames

And picked up some republicans..good job Harry

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[starroute]

41. The Republicans were Rand Paul and people of that stripe

So no kudos to Reid there -- they were voting No because they actively want a default.

[sofa king]

4. Was Rep. Hochul comatose from 2001-2009?

She does not have the fingers and toes to list the intentional disasters perpetrated during that time by the very people who sent themselves to DC to be the sneering caretakers of the country.

I appreciate the sentiment, but it ignores the reality of her job at this moment, which is to reduce the damage from the intentional disasters left behind by the most criminal Presidency in the history of our nation, and the Congress which enabled them.

[swilton]

25. Thank you for pointing this out!

Waiting until the horse is out of the barn to close the doors and then bemoaning the fact that we have to walk now.

[jerseygal]

55. Representative Hochul elected in 2011

Representative Hochul wasn't in Congress from 2001-2009. She was elected in a special election in May 2011 and sworn in June 1. She hasn't even been in Congress for two months and look what good she has done so far.

From Wikipedia:
Kathleen Courtney "Kathy" Hochul (pronounced HOKE-ul; born August 27, 1958)<4> is the Democratic U.S. Representative for New York's 26th congressional district. Hochul prevailed in the May 24, 2011 special election to fill the seat left vacant by the resignation of Chris Lee, and was sworn into office on June 1, 2011.<5> Her opponents were Republican nominee Jane Corwin, independent Jack Davis who ran on a Tea Party line, and Green Party nominee Ian Murphy. Hochul's political positions include preserving Medicare and opposing a privatized voucher payment system, raising taxes on those making more than $500,000 per year, opposing free trade, and developing alternative energy sources.

She served as the County Clerk of Erie County, New York from 2007 until taking her seat in Congress. Previously, she was a deputy county clerk, a member of the Hamburg town board, a practicing attorney and a legislative aide.

[Tx4obama]

5. Who are the 6 republicans that voted with the dems/indies ??? n/t

[Hamlette]

15. I can't find it but I think I heard one of the six is Mike Lee of Utah

which caught my attention because I called his office 3 hours ago and told him to support Reid's bill. Some nice young man (Max) and I argued for half an hour. I know it didn't make a difference but at least he was reasonable about it. Max even agreed the rich need to pay more in taxes! Said Lee did too. (Lee is a tea party Senator who defeated Bob Bennett last year in the GOP primary. If he is reasonable it would be a shocker.)

[Tx4obama]

18. I found it. See below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x726415

DeMint
Graham
Hatch
Lee
Paul
Vitter

But I believe they did NOT vote 'yes' with the dems because they like Reid's bill --- they voted 'yes' because they want to defeat Boehner's bill because they think that Boehner's bill did not go far enough.

Don't expect those six to vote for Reid's bill - I'm sure none of them will.

[Hamlette]

20. you're right, DeMint is as crazy as they come. If Lee voted with DeMint, he's nutzo too.

what a group of wackos. Vitter? Graham on the same page as Paul and DeMint???

These fuckers a nuts and have no business leading this great country of ours. I'm disgusted.

[Grassy Knoll]

6. I vote for a tear limit........

All oppose ?

[Auntie Bush]

7. I thought turtle face was going to filibuster the Rethug plan. Guess

he wasn't fast enough. Turtles can have that problem. lol

[TrollBuster9090]

14. Somebody in the Chamber of Commerce rolled him over on his back. nt

[TomCADem]

8. We Should Study The Grover Norquist Amendment To Truly Understand

Just how extreme the House GOP has become.

[Maraya1969]

72. Amendment or pledge? I know about the pledge and I think that is the all encompassing

destructive force behind this debacle. I think it makes people act like machinery. I think it takes away their ability and their desire to think for themselves.

[emulatorloo]

9. Excellent n/t

[CBHagman]

10. "Intentional disaster" from the 'cans.

I've been saying that the House GOP, especially the TP element, has been trying to scuttle the economy and extort painful concessions from the public, but Rep. Hochul's phrase is elegantly straightforward and concise.

[renegade2011]

34. So what happens now?

More stupid "political theater" bullshit?
(Reid's bill passes Senate, but is DOA in the House?)

What the hell happens THEN?
Inevitable (manufactured) default?

Or the Reid plan?
Or what?

[TrollBuster9090]

11. That's got to be a record. Nobody even read it.

The life expectancy of that bill in the Senate had the life expectancy of a donut in a police station.

The beautiful thing, of course, is that passing it in the House had no bipartisan support, but killing it in the Senate DID have bipartisan support.

Let me guess, the Maine twins are still hoping nobody will remember they're Republicans?

[No Elephants]

50. ? They voted with their caucus, as they most often do.. The Republicans who voted against it are

the ones who want more cuts than were in the Boehner bill, though I am not sure if that is true of Graham.

Collins working on the health care bill, for example, was only to make sure it got even worse. I believe she ended up voting against it, just like the rest of her caucus. But, that did not get as much publicity as did her hatchet job, er, I mean, good faith bi-partisan efforts, on the health care bill.

[Cool Logic]

12. Not cool...

It was a bad PR move to dump it without debating it.

[No Elephants]

51. No one needs Rethugs bloviating for the benefit of C-Span's cameras.

Besides, this way they can claim a bi-partisan vote, where as a debate would have revealed that the six Republicans who voted with the Democrats were not exactly on the side of the Democrats.

[Cool Logic]

58. That is a very troubling point of view.

I believe everything should be "revealed" to the People, with respect to this debate.

No issue is too dangerous to debate.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. Bullshit. This is a totally unnecessary, manufactured crisis courtesy of the GOP.

They've had plenty of time to spout their gibberish. They've made it perfectly clear their only interest is fucking up the economy and laughing as senior citizens and disabled people don't get their checks.

So fuck em. Time's up.

[Cool Logic]

61. This is about the American system of checks and balances...

The American People deserve a complete and open debate.

[Warren DeMontague]

71. No, it isn't. This is a routine raising of the debt ceiling that Bush and Reagan got all the time.

Checks and Balances? That's a laugh. What this is about is the crazy fucking Ayn Rand and Jesus-drunk tea party's determination to punish the American people for overwhelmingly electing Barack Obama, a gift they NEVER gave that beady-eyed halfwit from Texas who was in the White House prior.

Time's up. Raise the fucking debt ceiling.

[Cool Logic]

73. "This is a routine raising of the debt ceiling that Bush and Reagan got all the time."

Routine...? I think political posturing is a more appropriate term.

Record of the Senate Vote to Raise the Debt Limit in 2006

[Kahuna]

13. Awwww. Poor lamb. He worked so hard on it. nt

[pasto76]

16. "dems opposed b/c of another debate next year." BULLSHIT

[TrollBuster9090]

17. AWW, give them a break. How often do Dems get to play the "uncertainty & market stability" card? nt

[No Elephants]

47. How often they vote that way may be different from how often they speechify that way.

The public seems to be swayed more by sound bites, which the media loves to latch onto as well.

Following and understanding how Senators actually vote on a day to day basis and what the cumulative effect of those votes has been tends not to be the strong suit of either the general public or the media. And our beloved elected officials know that all too well.

[florida08]

22. no it was because of a demand for a Constitutional amendment

for a balance budget..in the middle of the worse recession ever

[Igel]

33. Was that in the bill?

No.

So passing the bill would avoid next week's problem and play kick the can for 6 months or so.

Then debate the amendment. If it fails, we're no worse off than we are now but find that it's January. If it passes, we talk, and we're no worse off than we are now--there's not a snowball's chance in hell of ratification, and there's still the nasty deficit reduction talks.

Personally, I think the deficit reduction talks are unnecessary. The House should soon be passing appropriation bills for 2012. If there are to be negotiations over cuts for 2012, that's when the talks should take place.

It'll just be more of the same. "The worst thing on earth is not passing a budget and having the government shut down. Well, the worst thing except for..." not having more revenues, having too large cuts, not having enough cuts, having the wrong cuts, not having increased spending, not doing this, not doing that. It's always "we're doomed if they don't do this" but never "we're doomed if I don't do this." Eventually it all sounds the same.

So this time worse than hitting the debt ceiling limit is horrible, but it's worse if we don't have at least $900 billion in cuts over 10 years--$90 billion a year, with few this coming year? Hitting the debt ceiling limit would destroy the country, but even worse would be having this debate again before the next elections? Please. I don't think either side really believes it's own rhetoric.

[Dutchmaster]

64. S&P stated that the Boehner bill . . .

. . . will result in an immediate credit downgrade. So, yes, it would hurt to pass it. Plus it plays into the hands of the scum that want to make us all do this again in 6 months. Fuck that. As far as debating it, it needs no debate. Everyone knows whats in that piece of shit.

[stevedeshazer]

19. That took, what, less than an hour?

The Tan Man is now a golden brown toasty color.

[and-justice-for-all]

21. good!!!! Now we just need to get rid of those fucking pukes..nt

[Historic NY]

23. Who would have thought that.?? Not teabaggers.

[Hubert Flottz]

24. Boner rushed it through so he wouldn't miss Happy Hour @

the bondage bar of his choice.

[russspeakeasy]

35. I'm sure he has a couple of bottles in his office.

:evilgrin:

[Hubert Flottz]

62. And some jugs too knowing the GOPers!

:evilgrin:

[unkachuck]

26. the boner-bill....

....has gone limp in the Senate, boo hoo....after all his effort trying to get it up, for a vote....the next boner-bill should include Viagra....

[AllyCat]

27. But it's only 59 votes! We can't pass anything unless we have 61!

Nevertheless, it's dead. Thank heavens.

[No Elephants]

48. Sixty to end a faux filibuster. Sixty seven to change Senate rules, except at the start of

a new session, which may take only 50 plus the VP.

Reid had said they were going to change the Senate rules at the start of the session that began in January 2011. Apparently, he changed his mind or, more likely, knew he could not get 51 votes.

[AllyCat]

59. I know. Just whining like Congress seems to do. They'd get 60 votes on something

and STILL say they didn't have enough votes. I've had it with these limp leaders who care nothing for the people.

[begin_within]

28. If you have a boehner lasting more than 2 hours, see your doctor.

[Veracious]

29. The "Tea LOL Party" Can't do a simple Bill

OMFG too funny! All the rightwing reactionaries cant draw up a passable bill. They will not be laughing when their mobile homes are foreclosed on. :rofl:

[AlbertCat]

32. Cranky! The Repugs in the House are embarrassing!

Now the ones in the Senate will have a chance to to be embarrassing when they filibuster Reid's bill.


The GOP is useless!

What do they do for the country?

What have they done to benefit a majority of Americans in the past 30 years?

Can anyone name something?

(Well, Jesse Helms and Strom Thurman died... I suppose that's something)

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38. Nancy Pelosi: Senate vote rejecting GOP bill shows GOP must return

Senate vote rejecting GOP bill shows GOP must return to the table so we can honor our commitments to our seniors & veterans.

http://twitter.com/#!/NancyPelosi

[No Elephants]

49. Why does everyone say only "seniors" or "elderly?" OASDI covers the disabled and

survivors of a deceased wage earner as well. Are they political pariahs or something?

[craigmatic]

39. Actually what Kathy Hochul said isn't really that acurate. The same thing happened when

Lincoln's generation took power from the compromisers who had ran the country since the 1830's. And the reality is that this coungress isn't nearly as bad as the congresses were leading up to the civil war because they couldn't compromise either but they took things one step further and actually beat each other in the capital.

[No Elephants]

52. How do you compromise on slavery in the territories versus no slavery in the territories?

It's like a wife who wants a baby (or a child) versus a husband who wants no children. There is no possible compromise.

[craigmatic]

68. No it's not it's actually alot of ways people compromised back then.

Mostly by letting the people vote in a state which led to bleeding Kansas or setting new boundary lines like the Missouri compromise. They postponed the civil way for decades by doing that.

[alp227]

40. a filibuster is predictable since no single party holds 60 Senate seats

sighhhh...I posted on LBN a story about Democrats calling for a 14th amendment option. Obama will just have to let Congress keep duking it out since compromise is never ever gonna happen.

[plumbob]

42. Good. Now for a clean vote on raising the limit as it has been raised

17 times in the last 10 years.

[Pacifist Patriot]

63. Exactly!

[Jim_Shorts]

43. Republidems have a solution

They are going to sell all the gold in Fort Knox to the Koch brothers for $50 an ounce.

[No Elephants]

53. And Glenn Beck will not only broker the deal, but throw in a few of his Armageddon meals.

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[grahamhgreen]

45. Thank goodness.

[Veracious]

46. "Tea LOL Party" wants to Amend the US Constitution in 1 week LOLOLOL

What a JOKE.

[PuffedMica]

56. Republicans are worthless

[underpants]

57. DOWN GOES BOEHNER

:spank:

[lebkuchen]

60. With so much US debt being held by other countries, like China,

Japan, the UK, and Brazil, after this debacle, it wouldn't surprise me if countries with foreign-held U.S. Treasury securities demand an amendment to, or at least a "say" in the US debt ceiling issue to prevent this default crisis from happening again. The wingnuts aren't going away, and that fact won't instill future confidence in our debt holders. I'm not counting on voters from such states as MT, SC, KS, UT, LA, TX, MO, NE, NM, TN, GA, FL, and MN, states which maintain a Tea Party rate of 25% or higher, to "get it" at the voting booth. High debt holders shouldn't either.

[rasputin1952]

65. Everyone knew this was coming...

Boehner and Cantor blew their wads on this.

It was a loser from the get-go, they knew it, and still went ahead. Even Teabaggers understood this was a dud.

Then, to top it off, the tried to blame it on the president, after Cantor's little tantrum.

Billions wasted on defense; billions wasted on "privatization"; billions wasted on trivial projects that do nothing for the infrastructure; trillions wasted in bush's wars, (admittedly, PO hasn't helped in this area).

Boehner, Cantor and McConnell didn't learn anything from the Gingrich fiasco...and they will pay for this in 2012...get out and VOTE!!! Crush these bastards once and for all.

[tavalon]

66. Well, that was quick

[DesertDiamond]

67. Whew!

[toddwv]

69. I wish I could feel better about this.

But the cynic in me sees it as nothing more than political theater to cater to their base...on both sides.

The Reid bill is not much better, to be honest, from what I've heard. It doesn't include the Constitutional Amendment and doesn't require this whole fiasco to be renegotiated in 6 months but it's kind of jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

With the Boehner bill, the Republicans get to say that they tried and that the Senate Democrats were uncompromising.
The Democrats get to say that they voted down the teabaggers' bill.

Let's face it. Without 'defense' budget decreases. Without increases in tax revenues. Without these there can be no real deficit reduction. This is a win-win situation for the Republicans who are more than willing and able to deal with the PR fallout stemming from this obvious ploy to play brinkmanship politics with the economy in balance.

The corporate-owned media will talk about it for a few days, parade around a seemingly endless stream of Republican polis and pundits and scroll a few Sarah Palin tweets across the screen and then they will move on to the next "big" story.

[goforit]

70. Ignorant FOOLS........., INVOKE the 14TH!!!

Hand tough Dems