Norway bomb suspect bought 6 tons of fertilizer

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By BJOERN H. AMLAND and LOUISE NORDSTROM

SUNDVOLLEN, Norway (AP) - The Norwegian man suspected in a bombing and shooting spree that killed at least 92 people bought six tons of fertilizer before the massacre, the supplier said Saturday as police investigated witness accounts of a second shooter.

Norway's royal family and prime minister led the nation in mourning, visiting grieving relatives of the scores of youth gunned down at an island retreat, as the shell-shocked Nordic nation was gripped by reports that the gunman may not have acted alone.

The shooting spree began just hours after a massive explosion that ripped through an Oslo high-rise building housing the prime minister's office. At least 91 people have been killed, but police say more are missing.

The queen and the prime minister hugged when they arrived at the hotel where families are waiting to identify the bodies. Both king and queen shook hands with mourners, while the prime minister, his voice trembling, told reporters of the harrowing stories survivors had recounted to him.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20110723/D9OLDEFO0.html

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Injured people are escorted from the area of an explosion in central Oslo Friday, July 22, 2011. Terrorism ravaged long-peaceful Norway on Friday when a bomb ripped open buildings including the prime minister's office and a man dressed as a police officer opened fire at a nearby island youth camp. (AP Photo/Scanpix, Berit Roald) NORWAY OUT



A young victim is helped in the center of Oslo, Friday July 22, 2011, following an explosion that tore open several buildings including the prime minister's office, shattering windows and covering the street with documents. (AP Photo/Scanpix, Winje Ãjijord) NORWAY OUT

[OHdem10]

1. What are the Al Qeda ties I was hearing on TV yesterday?????

This has to be Al Qeda or some very highly organized group??

What is the Group

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. No it was NOT" Al Qeda"...he was a Norwegian Conservative Christian who was also anti Muslim

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-251411-man-kills-at-least-91-in-norway-shooting-bombing.html"Witnesses said the gunman, identified by police as a 32-year-old Norwegian, moved across the small, wooded island of Utoeya in a lake northwest of Oslo on Friday, firing at young people who scattered in panic or tried to swim to safety.

Police detained the tall, blond suspect, named by local media as Anders Behring Breivik, and charged him for the killing spree and the bombing of government buildings in Oslo.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, capturing the shock this normally quiet nation of 4.8 million is experiencing, said: "A paradise island has been transformed into a hell."

Deputy Police Chief Roger Andresen would not speculate on the motives for what was believed to be the deadliest attack by a lone gunman anywhere in modern times.

"He describes himself as a Christian, leaning toward right-wing Christianity, on his Facebook page," Andresen said."

[LetTimmySmoke]

4. It sounds like...

the bomb attack was an extremist Muslim, and the shooting attack was an extremist Christian.

[ET Awful]

6. In what way does it sound like that?

The same guy who was doing the shooting bought 6 tons of fertilizer usable for making bombs (one would assume it was ammonium nitrate as was used in Oklahoma City by another right-wing extremist).

[LetTimmySmoke]

34. It was from initial reports of an Al Qaeda group claiming responisiblity that later..

...turned out to be erroneous. But I'm past my editing timeline.

[Downwinder]

7. They both come from the same root.

[aquart]

9. Except it isn't. One blue-eyed, blond, right wing, Christian extremist did it.

Murdered 84 left wing young people.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. Home-grown right-wing militancy: Noway's Timothy McVeigh

"The Norwegian daily Verdens Gang quoted a friend as saying he became a right-wing extremist in his late 20s. It said he expressed strong nationalistic views in online debates and had been a strong opponent of multi-cultural ism."

TWITTER MESSAGE

Norwegian media said he had set up a Twitter account a few days ago and posted a single message on July 17 saying: "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests."

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-251411-man-kills-at-least-91-in-norway-shooting-bombing.html

[Downwinder]

5. 6 tons of commercial fertilizer for an organic farm?

[freshwest]

8. Where did you find the word organic mentioned in the article? This isn't funny.

[Downwinder]

10. Here.

...established Breivik Geofarm, a company believed to be an organic farm."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Norway-attacks-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-right-wing-extremist-hated-Muslims.html

from thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4931714&mesg_id=4931714

[freshwest]

11. Well, it's still not funny.

[Downwinder]

12. Wasn't meant to be. The purchase should have raised some eyebrows.

[pitohui]

30. how could this purchase have raised eyebrows? he had a farm w. 790 workers

that is not a "toy" farm, that is not just foolin' around to fill the idle hours, that is a LARGE serious farm

anyone who thinks a farm of that size doesn't use fertilizer is living in a dream world of delusion

perhaps he should have been better monitored for other reasons but purchasing fertilizer when you own a huge farm employing 790 people...that's suspicious behavior how? there's no way that's a trigger or you get bogged down in bullshit just trying to grow some melons

[indurancevile]

38. 790 workers? where did you read that? That's a lot of workers for ANY farm these days.

Even the plantations in the slave days didn't have that many workers.

this is his farm, it doesn't look the type to employ 800 people to grow melons.

it looks like someone confused the number of people employed in the entire agricultural sector in the killer's district with his personal employees. The business is listed as a sole proprietorship, registered in 2009, & the businesses email is hotmail.com.

C'mon, if he had 790 employees being paid an average of $5K each, that's 4 million dollars. But the business uses a HOTMAIL account?

http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=994089269

http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign-affairs/165970-explosion-government-buildings-oslo-norway-reports-11-dead-142.html

[Downwinder]

39. Documentation for 790 workers?

In his manifesto he details how he used the company as a facade to acquire the chemicals without raising suspicion.

[indurancevile]

40. msnbc reports it, but i don't believe it. i think they don't have anyone who understands norwegian

business registrations and they're using google translate.



The authenticity of the online accounts could not immediately be verified, but government business records list a man of the same name and age as sole director of Breivik Geofarm.

In the records, the company says its business is the "growing of vegetables, melons, roots and tubers" and reports that it has 790 employees.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43857267/ns/world_news-europe/t/norway-massacre-suspect-calls-deeds-necessary-lawyer-says/

farm's business registration:

http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=994089269

[muriel_volestrangler]

41. Yeah, looks like a code, not a number of people

It and the line above translate via Google as

"Commercial Code (s): 01.130 Growing of vegetables, melons, roots and tubers

Sector Code: 790 employed persons "

As opposed to an example in their register that translates as:

"Sector Code: 110 State and social security administration "

or another which turns up in an internet search:

"Organization: 985 216 479

Name / Company Name: ANDY WILLIAMS
...
Commercial Code (s): 90,011 performing artists and entertainment business in music

Sector Code: 790 employed persons "

[indurancevile]

42. that must be it, then. i'm surprised that so few people looked askance at 790

employees on a farm. that would be a very exceptional farm.

people are kind of out of touch with how their food is produced.

[Downwinder]

44. I have not been to Norway since the '60s.

I thought things might have changed. I never saw a farm there that five people could not have handled. I know that they have been trying for several centuries to drive the farmers out. They reminded me of what the original Vikings must have been like.

[indurancevile]

43. a ton of fertilizer does about 5 acres per some sites i found. so 6 tons = 30 acres,

not so eyebrow raising.

[Downwinder]

45. I thought organic meant compost, legumes, and natural fertilizers.

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. Because someone planning a massacre is going to make sure he follows Soil Association guidelines

he wouldn't want anyone to think badly of him, would he?

[indurancevile]

47. oh, in that sense, yeah. but the business isn't called organic on the registration.

[u4ic]

15. from Reuters:

"These are goods that were delivered on May 4," Oddny Estenstad, a spokeswoman at farm supply chain Felleskjoepet Agri, told Reuters. "It was 6 tonnes of fertilizer, which is a small, normal order for a standard agricultural producer."

[jwirr]

13. Wonder why the length of time between bombs and shootings, Did

he stay around to see what happened? This seems strange to me?

[Downwinder]

14. Waited for the bomb to go off then drove 20 mi. to the ferry.

From the Guardian. page changed.

[jwirr]

16. Okay that sounds better. I did not know the island was that far away.

Also probably had to get to his car and out of traffic in an emergency area.

[freshwest]

31. If it was only one person, right? Some of the kids now say there had to have been two.

[jakeXT]

17. Was there a SECOND gunman? Survivors tell police of attacks in two different areas on Norwegian isla

Source: Daily Mail

According to witness accounts from Norwegian media, people have described shooting incidents in two different areas on the island, one with a handgun and the other with a ‘sniper rifle’.
...
A police official says the gunman may have had 30 minutes for his killing spree.
..
Police said the Oslo explosion was caused by 'one or more' bombs.

A police official, speaking anonymously, said the Oslo bombing occurred at 3.26pm local time (2.26pm BST), and the camp shootings began one to two hours later.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017938/Norway-attacks-Survivors-tell-police-attacks-different-areas-Utoya.html

[sasha031]

18. it had to be a coordinated effort of a group of right wing psychopaths

how could one person do so much damage. It's so heartbreaking, I feel for all those involved.

[Doctor Hurt]

19. one person, loose on a small island filled with children

can do a lot of damage.

[uppityperson]

20. Dressed in a police uniform also. The poor kids hiding when the real police got there,

who to trust.

[aquart]

21. The youngest there was thirteen, I think.

This was a camp for training politically active young people on the left, I'm assuming since it was a Labour Party camp?

[jakeXT]

25. heard of a ten year old

At some point in the melee, the 10-year-old told Pracon his father was dead, when the shooter came over a hill and put the gun directly to boy's head.

Pracon said the boy "started barking at the shooter" yelling at him, telling him, "I'm only 10 years old I'm too young to die. Besides you just killed my father." The shooter didn't pull the trigger.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/norway-shooting-explosion-suspect-admits-firing-weapons-youth/story?id=14141571&page=2

[jberryhill]

22. If you can twitch your finger 80 times, you can kill 80 people

What's so hard about that?

[boppers]

36. Maybe killing people should require more than a twitch.

Just a thought.

[kestrel91316]

48. One gunman, nearly 500 kids on an island less than 1/2 mile across, no way for the

kids to escape, open fields interspersed with slightly wooded areas.

And two hours to hunt at his leisure.

He also apparently had at least two different types of weapons.

[FreeBillClinton]

23. The Daily Mail is a joke, so no, there probably wasn't.

[jakeXT]

26. Saw it on TV, a reporter mentioned someone not dressed as police firing a weapon

[Tx4obama]

33. Yes. I also read it in an article earlier today. A survivor said that the other man ....

that was shooting people was wearing shorts and had dark hair.
I don't have a link now because I don't remember where I saw it.

[Still Sensible]

24. Should be able to know very quickly

from the ballistics.

[Omaha Steve]

27. APNewsBreak: Oslo bomb was 'Oklahoma City-type'

Source: AP

By IAN MacDOUGALL and KARL RITTER

OSLO, Norway (AP) - A police official has told The Associated Press that the bomb used in the attack at the Norwegian prime minister's office was "some kind of Oklahoma City-type" device made of fertilizer and diesel fuel.

The official said it remains unclear what kind of detonator was used for the bomb, which investigators say was packed into a panel truck and killed at least seven people when it went off.

The official was speaking on condition of anonymity because the information has not been formally released.

A 4,000 pound (1,815 kilogram) fertilizer-and-fuel-oil bomb detonated in front of a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20110723/D9OLHL8O3.html

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This is an undated image obtained from the Twitter page of Anders Behring Breivik, 32, who was arrested Friday July 22, 2011 in connection to the twin attacks on a youth camp and a government building in Oslo, Norway. Breivik is a suspect in both the shootings and the Oslo explosion Friday. (AP Photo/Twitter, Anders Behring Breivik)

[mhatrw]

28. The supposed manifesto of the alleged lone perpetrator can be found here.

http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html

[SpiralHawk]

29. Frikken Republicon Family Values - International style

so low...

[War Horse]

32. He's admitted to doing this now

Both the bomb and the shootings. I'm looking at Norwegian TV, his lawyer just said so.

Breivik has described his actions as "horrible but necessary".

[Arrowhead2k1]

35. We haven't heard the last of him yet. This is all part of his plan.

Read his manifesto. It's chilling. The man is an aspiring leader of a new violent right-wing movement to purge Europe of "cultural marxists". With all of his literature being out there now, I fear how many potential like-minded individuals he is converting to his side as we speak. Either people in Europe nip right-wing extremism in the bud right now, or this could prove to have been a red letter day steering us towards another dark era in European history.

[indurancevile]

37. How much does a ton of fertilizer cost?

edit: apparently somewhere around $300? If so, buying 7 tons isn't that expensive a proposition.

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/crops/00548.html