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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:39 AM
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Rahm Emanuel Sends 625 Layoff Notices As Union Showdown Continues
Source: Huffington Post

The fears of many city workers were realized Friday as Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced 625 layoffs after the Chicago Federation of Labor failed to meet a deadline on agreeing to work rule changes.

Emanuel said Friday that he would begin the layoff process by sending out notices, which inform workers of layoff plans 30 days in advance, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

(snip)
Without an answer from the union, Emanuel said he was forced to make a move. NBC Chicago reports that Emanuel will privatize benefits management, the water management department call center and custodial services at city buildings, including libraries. He will also outsource custodial services at O'Hare and Midway airports, according to the Sun-Times. The plan is expected to save $10 to $12 million.

Labor sources told NBC Chicago Thursday that they were expecting the pink slips.



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/15/rahm-emanuel-could-layoff_n_899490.html?ref=tw



Emanuel announces plan to lay off hundreds
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=8252438
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:42 AM
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1. Chicago is so incredibly lucky to have a Democratic Mayor…
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:16 PM
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27. Unlike the federal government, the city can't just print money
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:03 PM
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34. Printing money and firing union member employees are not the only possible courses of action.
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 02:05 PM by No Elephants
ETA "union member"
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:08 PM
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37. Which is why Mayor Emanuel offered the work rule changes instead of pink slips
The union chose the pink slips.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Okay, printing money, firing union employees AND new work rules are not the only options.
Happier?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:04 PM
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64. The Unions, per the OP, didn't want to participate in any alternative process. NT
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
71. We know your stand on education..
just look at your sig pic- Arne is single handedly destroying public education in the country.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:01 PM
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33. Massachusetts: Legislature well over 90% Democratic and Governor is Democratic
(member of Clinton's D of J, then a bankster, then Governor, then President Obama's Presidential campaign co-chair in the last campaign.

They ended collective bargaining for public employees just like Wisconsin did--and with nary a peep from unions, something right leaning media love to point out, as they smirk.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #33
51. I think in cases like this, the word
Democrat should be placed in quotes, thus: "Democrat."
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 01:42 PM
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70. I'd blame the republicans... if only I could find one. n/t
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azmesa207 Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 03:12 PM
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53. Chicago lucky
To have a democratic mayor. Rham is no democrat he only runs as one . He more republican than democrat in his thinking just like he was working for Obama

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:30 PM
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55. Damn. Every time I think I can get away without
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 05:32 PM by Jackpine Radical
a sarcasm thingie, someone proves me wrong.

And please not that he is facing left in this picture:

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #55
72. the one and only time...
in his life that the jackass ever faced left.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:42 AM
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2. I Hope this Douchebag becomes poor one day
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:46 AM
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5. He is as close to American royalty as we have. Have you seen the hit show about his brother?
There's a new Untouchable in Chicago.
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:28 PM
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16. The show where his brother appears to be a back stabbing doosh?

I hope there is no relationship to the real thing.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:27 PM
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28. That's the one! nt
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:30 PM
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73. "his brother appears to be a back stabbing doosh?"
it runs in the family
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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:46 PM
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22. That's what Bugsy Siegel thought. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:08 PM
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36. RMA
Royalty, My Ass.

The Kennedy family was called "American royalty" and the closest thing to royalty America has.

Rahm and his brother do not belong in the same category with JFK, RFK, TRK and the rest of that family.

Possibly another kind of Family, but not the Kennedy family.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:20 PM
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43. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:39 PM
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60. "He is as close to American royalty as we have."
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 07:41 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
Waaahhhh???!?! :wow:

That is one of the flat out strangest things I have ever read here on DU. Rahm Emmanual, "American Royalty"? Sure, maybe in his own head. :crazy: Serious, WTF?

On edit: I was unaware I was replying to someone who is no longer with us.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. Well, maybe we're talking about the Borgia dynasty here. n/t
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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:44 AM
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3. Is anybody surprised?
It almost seems as if he is one of those WI "fake dems"....
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:45 AM
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4. ...
:mad:
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:47 AM
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6. Serves them right for electing El Douche
As a former Chicagoan, I have no pity on the schmucks who elected El Douche.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:47 AM
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7. Welcome to the world of "at will" employment, everyone. nt
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:54 AM
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8. Glad that a-hole is gone from the Whitehouse
Maybe they'll have a recall..lol
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:55 PM
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32. He did his damage and the WH....and now he's gotten his prize..
Hope Chicagoans get wise... But, then they had the Daley's for decades.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #32
48. will never understand how people vote against their interests
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:54 AM
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9. Hey when I said he would be bad for Chicago, I was lambasted
on this board.
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:29 PM
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18. He's not bad for all of Chicago.

I'm sure there are some dooshes that are happy he was elected.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:42 PM
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20. Please tell me this was before he called us all retards
Stockholm syndrome comes to mind here.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:24 PM
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44. Nope. And, if I am not mistaken, the term was "fucking retards."
He made some kind of apology about "retards" immediately. I think it was at least six months before he apologized to what he also referred to as "the left of the left."

And then there was Gibbs reference to "the professional left."

Yep, the WH obviously loves Democrats who are not center right.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:44 PM
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21. I called him an asshole from the time his name was first announced for Chief of Staff.
Of course I was anti-semetic. Eyeroll.

An asshole is an asshole no matter what the letter behind their name is. Chicago should themselves a favor and get rid of this guy.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:10 PM
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38. Not by everyone.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:01 PM
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10. WWTMD?
What would the Mafia do? What the Chicago don did.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:02 PM
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11. found hid true calling at last n/t
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:06 PM
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12. Similiar to what Gov. Walker did -
outsource amd privatize.




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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:14 PM
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14. Where do you think he got his playbook?
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Thomas Friedman: Chicago School of Economics.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:29 PM
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17. Bingo!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:15 PM
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40. Hey, Uncle Miltie...Change this.
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:30 PM
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19. When a Democrat does it then it is alright.
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Islandlife Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:15 PM
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59. Obviously
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:36 PM
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30. His predecessor: Daley.

Mayor Daley, not the Republican governor of Indiana, was the first to privative a tollway.

Mayor Daley, not any Republican governor anywhere, was the first to begin mass privatization of local government.

Mayor Daley, not some Republican mayor, was the first to privatize city parking garages in a major city.

Mayor Daley, not some Republican mayor, was the first to privative city parking meters in a major city.


What I found most chilling in this article was, "water management call center." City Water is big daddy, and was widely reported as being in Daley's sights before he retired. After the parking meter debacle -- given away for pennies on the dollar -- some aldermen actually stood up on their hind legs and said they would block privatization of City Water. As soon as Rahm got elected, I figured it was gone.

He's not there yet. I figure he's floating these to see if he can get away with this, or if the city only takes this shit from the Daleys. If he gets away with this, look for City Water on the horizon. Water is going to get EXPENSIVE. And we sit on the shores of a fresh water sea.

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:50 PM
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31. That is Chilly
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:29 PM
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45. Great info. Thanks. Didn't Mayor Daley's brother take Rahm's place?
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 02:31 PM by No Elephants
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 03:06 PM
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52. I believe he did. And his son straight out announced that he was a Republican.

I believe the family is paving the way for at least one of them to be available as a Republican candidate when the city is finally ready for a Republican. Republicans never recovered from Capone's downfall.


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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 03:40 PM
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54. 'The left's agenda has not won the support of a majority of Americans'
Obama Picks William Daley As Chief Of Staff

1/6/11

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/06/132712318/obama-picks-william-daley-for-chief-of-staff-post


Daley, former Midwest chairman of JPMorgan Chase & Co., said in an interview with The New York Times last year that the administration had "miscalculated" on health care and moved too far to the left. He has strong centrist credentials and joins the White House just as it finds itself in need of making more bipartisan compromises to get things done.

Daley laid out his political ideology last year upon joining the board of Third Way, a moderate Democratic think tank.

"We must acknowledge that the left's agenda has not won the support of a majority of Americans — and, based on that recognition, we must steer a more moderate course," he said at the time.



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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:13 PM
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25. YES
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:10 PM
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13. f***in' Repuke
:grr:
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:04 PM
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23. I guess minimum wages & no health insurance/benefits WILL save $12 million
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 01:06 PM by Divernan
And the private businesses who get these contracts will be Rahm's new BFFs come campaign contribution time. Rahm will be saving up to run for higher office. This will effectively dismantle Richard Daley's long-standing Democratic machine.

Don't suppose Rahm shared the calculations made to arrive at that $12 million number.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 06:43 PM
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57. I don't think he thinks there is any higher office, apart from maybe President.
I think he wants the job for life, just like the Daleys.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:05 PM
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62. Deleted message
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:09 PM
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24. Chicago wanted him. Chicago got him.
He got 55.2% in a field of six candidates, after all, winning without a runoff.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:33 PM
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29. Obama endorsed him. n/t
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:13 PM
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26. Fuck you Rahm
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:03 PM
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35. we have rahm in chicago, quinn ,and madigan downstate...
all three out to fuck over the people who voted for them.

oh well, we put the last two governors in prison and i`m wondering who is next.....
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JAnthony Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:13 PM
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39. Rahm Emanuel, doing what mayors in 2000+ medium and large cities
in America are doing this year, laying off a few people out of many many thousands.

This all goes back to 2007 and 2008... Obama and Dems tried to fight this inevitability for 3 yrs, now the economic reality of this recession is having more fall out.

Blame who?

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. I bet there were many other things Rahm could have cut or eliminated.
And revenues he could have raised.

Public employees are low hanging fruit for the right, including the center right.

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JAnthony Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:44 PM
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49. Mayors cannot raise taxes on their own, unless they are Nazi's like
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 02:45 PM by JAnthony
Walker in Wisconsin, raising "taxes" on public employees.

But even Walker had to get his Rethuglican Nazi's to agree to that.

Oh, sometimes people at the DU just don't get this concept of "legality" and democracy either...

How much was your "I bet"???

Lose!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:53 PM
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50. Good thing I never used the word "taxes." .
I said "revenues" and there are revenues Mayors can raise.

"Oh, sometimes people at the DU just don't get this concept of "legality" and democracy either...

How much was your "I bet"???

Lose!"





Since you have not made many posts here yet (I assume), I'll just make a friendly suggestion. Be more careful before you start condescending to other DUers and crowing over victories. In fact, you should probably try skipping both the condescension and the crowing, even if you do read carefully and check your facts.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:12 PM
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58. how much of his "savings" will the private corps. he's outsourcing to, get in their bank accounts?
what d'you think is the bottom line after the outsourcing? will anyone be keeping tabs on that?

if the outsourcing ultimately costs the city more than keeping the original employees, will this p.o.s. rahm pay for it in any way?
my vote goes in the "no" box.

only idiots & members of the capitalist predator class go for this stupid lie of "labor salaries & benefits being responsible for the economic downturn".

long past time the thieving elitists & their political lackeys were dumped; & dumped in prison, at that.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:17 PM
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41. ...never could stand this guy.
He always felt skeezy to me...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:39 PM
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47. Hang on, Chicago. Help is on the way (to quote a couple of Democrats).
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 02:46 PM by No Elephants
President Obama has comfortable shoes and Chicago is his kind of town. His home. The place where the career trajectory that put him in the WH began.

Where he made all his contacts. Where he was no doubt supported in his race for various offices by your unions, financially and with person power.

He's very grateful, no doubt.

I imagine you can almost hear Air Force One nearing O'Hare as I type, right?.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 06:33 PM
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56. 625 added to the unemployment rolls, no more eating at local restaraunts,
& only staycations, too. No more shopping, so that, too, will be felt; idiots in charge are reviving Hooverism, only to get the same results. Well most who went thru it the 1st time are now dead, so they think it's ok & they can trick the current generations around now.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:48 PM
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61. Just think - this guy was once a shot-caller in the WHITE HOUSE
With friends like these...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 01:29 PM
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67. Obama and Emmanuel were very busy .....
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 11:44 AM
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65. Privatizing custodial services makes sense.
I'm not so sure about privatizing benefits management.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 01:31 PM
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68. No -- in the end privatizing government means more expense and less control ... !!
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 01:37 PM
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69. Governments should focus on the more important matters.
It is a waste of resources to micro-manage things like emptying the trash and mopping the floors.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 09:57 PM
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74. Quite a "waste of resources" to have private contractors in military -- ME !!
Edited on Sat Jul-16-11 09:59 PM by defendandprotect

Quite a "waste of resources" to have private contractors in military -- ME !!

We're paying $1,000 per gallon to KBR for gasoline in Iraq -- which would keep

one of our helicopters in the air for about a minute!

We're paying more for airconditioning for our troops in ME than the NASA budget!!

And imagine how much more we don't know ... especially about our MIC -

Pentagon missing $2.3 trillion or more --

$18 BILLION -- $23 BILLION in cash missing in Iraq!!


It's not our custodial services that are stealing us blind -- it's private contractors!!


But that's also why there are middle managers -- and supervisors where needed when

government public servants do the work --

When MIC privatizes we need full blown investigations of criminal fraud by corporations -- !!












:nuke: --
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #74
80. I believe that most of what you said goes with out saying--it does for me anyway.
I would add that it is also a waste of resources to have our military and other government workers in the ME. Clearly, our foreign policy is misguided at best and fraudulent at worst. Now, we see the party that lambasted the former CIC for his war follies, applaud as their CIC maintains his predecessor's ME policy and initiates his own "ventures."

My comment regarding custodial services was metaphoric, for my focal point correlates with what we are seeing in our federal and state budget crises and similarly, the budget crises we see exploding all over Europe.

Ultimately, when central planners endeavor to govern each and every miniscule detail of our existence, they lose focus of purpose of their existence: ...establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...

We do not need, nor was our government established to devise a plan for things like light bulbs, washing machines, talking ants and cowboy poetry festivals. The People themselves are capable of developing their own plans to deal with the minutia.

What we do need, is a clear-headed plan to fund our nation's fundamental essentials, i.e., SS, Health Care, and defense (excludes offense). People depend on these programs for their survival. The planners should conduct themselves accordingly and ensure that these programs are set right without further delay and properly managed in the future.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. War is senseless for the many -- profitable for the few -- that's why we have it--!!
and agree that DU often seems hard put to recognize an evil when it isn't the work

of a Repug, but the work of a Dem!


My comment regarding custodial services was metaphoric, for my focal point correlates with what we are seeing in our federal and state budget crises and similarly, the budget crises we see exploding all over Europe.

I'd disagree with you that there are any economic "crises" -- rather there has been a

financial coup -- certainly by banks and their investment associates made possible by

de-regulation which jump-started again the pre-NEW DEAL crime wave by capitalists.

See Catherin Austin Fitts

See James Galbraith's comments to the Cat Food Commission which certainly points up those crimes

See also the Dennis Kucinich video/text on HOME page

See Al Gore's recent Rolling Stone article which speaks of government corruption


US financial coup has meant a huge transfer of wealth from many to the few not only here but

in many othe rnations destablizing their economies --

not to mention the impact of Trade Agreements and the harvesting of slave labor all over the world.


Ultimately, when central planners endeavor to govern each and every miniscule detail of our existence, they lose focus of purpose of their existence: ...establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...

Rather, concern with "miniscule details" is the work of authoritarians and corrupt government --

and that corruption is a point you don't seem to want to acknowledge.

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime -- they do not concern themselves with "justice"

any more than the MAFIA would -- they concern themselves with putting their Judges in place --

and are more interested in destroying civil liberties and our Constitution than preserving them!


We do not need, nor was our government established to devise a plan for things like light bulbs, washing machines, talking ants and cowboy poetry festivals. The People themselves are capable of developing their own plans to deal with the minutia.

Perhaps this is an argument against Elizabeth Warren and Consumer rights -- ?

What you don't seem to understand is that such a position has become necessary because of

corporate crimes at the lowest levels. From mortages to buying cars, from cable rates to

credit card charges -- it is a crimewave against the consumer --

Sadly, thus far, with the cooperation of Congress!!


What we do need, is a clear-headed plan to fund our nation's fundamental essentials, i.e., SS, Health Care, and defense (excludes offense). People depend on these programs for their survival. The planners should conduct themselves accordingly and ensure that these programs are set right without further delay and properly managed in the future.

Those comments seem to suggest that you think our elected officials are somehow dumb?

That they don't know and recognize these things?

What seems to escape your notice is that we have purposefully been given candidates who work

will work against the interests of the public and to ensure government coverup of elite/corporate

crime!






"Only fools never doubt" -- Shakespeare





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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 08:03 PM
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83. Banks didn't steal anything, our representatives wrote them a check.
The problem I see is that you are seeking solutions from the same entities that created the problems in first place.

You declare that Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime. Well, that would depend on who the capitalists were; but we do not have unregulated capitalism, nor do we have a free-market. Lobbyists write the regulations, our Representatives enact them, and the People are left at the mercy of an unfairly regulated market.

What you don't seem to understand is that such a position has become necessary because of corporate crimes at the lowest levels.

Well, since the "higher level" central planners are unable to manage their own domains of responsibility, they should leave the "lower level" stuff to the lower level governments. In other words, you should be able to do your own job, before you try to do someone else's.

Those comments seem to suggest that you think our elected officials are somehow dumb?

Although elected officials are likely to have obtained higher levels of education than the population at large, they are not necessarily more intelligent. What they are likely to be, is more dishonest and corrupt. And if we allow them to, they will govern every miniscule detail of our existence, until we no longer exist.

There is special providence in the fall of a sparrow ~ William Shakespeare

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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. Welcome to DU, Cool Logic! Question for...
...you: Where does education fit in your definition of government's established role?
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 08:27 PM
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84. Clearly, governments must play an important role in the realm of education.
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 08:28 PM by Cool Logic
Regrettably, education at the federal level, has more to do with politics, than education.

I would prefer to see 50 States become 50 educational laboratories, with each conducting their own experiments in the pursuit of discovering the learning models that work best for them. There will be good ideas and bad ideas, but some of them would surely become better ideas.






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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #69
86. it's a waste of resources to contract out services to feather-bedding contrators
who hire cheap labor & rake huge profits by charging ten times what they pay the workers.
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 06:55 PM
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87. Clearly, you are not familiar with government contracting or you would know
that government contractors must pay prevailing union wages.

http://www.gpo.gov/davisbacon/
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 01:25 PM
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66. Nice reminder of how Koch Bros. funded DLC was harbored 20 years in Dem Party --!!!
Rahm Emmanuel has only ever been little but a Koch Bros/DLC shill for corporations --

And Rahm makes clear here what he and Obama were doing in White House ....

making business "grateful" -- !!


Rahm .... crowing about preserving "private health care industry" ... business s/b grateful!sday, August 12, 2010

Thursday interview, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel arguedt rather than recoiling against Obama, business leaders should be grateful for his support on at least a half-dozen counts: his advocacy of greater international trade and education reform open markets despite union skepticism; his rejection of calls from some quarters to nationalize banks during the financial meltdown; the rescue of the automobile industry; the fact that the overhaul of health care

preserved the private delivery system;

the fact that billions in the stimulus package benefited business with lucrative new contracts, and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus.



http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B2F85DDF-18FE-70B2-A835FE1E7FA8D74C



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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. good heavens... disgusting actions, it's what's good for industry's profits, not the people.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 11:18 PM
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76. True -- and if you noticed the last part of that ...
Edited on Sat Jul-16-11 11:18 PM by defendandprotect
and that financial regulation reform will take away the uncertainty that existed with a broken, pre-crash regulatory apparatus.

I'm not sure what's left of even the miniscule financial reform worked on by Sen. Dodd?

Evidently that's now under attack by GOP --

We need Glass Steagall back -- !!


Don't know if you read the comments by James Galbraith to the Cat Food Commission --

quite a romp -- but he makes clear quite a bit, including that the banks and their

investment bank associates worked to create the financial coup -- and that Congress has

not investigated it, nor responded to it.

See Catherine Austin Fitts on that, as well.


Here's a link to my summary of what Galbraith said --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1471690&mesg_id=1484405

but it also gives you a link to the OP which includes a link to the actual article --

which is worth reading!


Also -- think everyone here should read Al Gore's article in Rolling Stone --

the link is difficult for me to pick up -- you can google it quickly. Something about the

script bothers my computer! But, it's one page of info on Global Warming -- and the rest

is about our Goebbels' style corporate-press -- and what he is describing is our

government under control of fascism -- without using that word.

Gore says that Congress is under the control of the oil and coal industries --

and that Congress is setting its Congressional scchedule around their daily fund raisers!!



:)

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:00 AM
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77. Gore surely damns them, indeed. wow
"Gore says that Congress is under the control of the oil and coal industries -- and that Congress is setting its Congressional scchedule around their daily fund raisers!!"

shameful.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-of-denial-20110622

"Twenty percent of the global-warming pollution we spew into the sky each day will still be there 20,000 years from now!"

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. Indeed --
glad you were able to take a look at it --

I picked up the very same quote when I read it!!

:)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #77
79. not a prob, thanks for telling me about it. I wish everyone spent a few minutes reading just parts
of it and gaining something from it. We are being destroyed by greed - there is no ignoring it.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-11 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #66
85. I don't believe the kochs are funding emanuel. It's mostly "good liberals" who are funding him:
Edited on Tue Jul-19-11 12:46 AM by indurancevile
Plus a lot of the same Chicago folks who funded obama's campaign:

Emanuel’s billionaire backers include:

- Donald Trump, who kicked in $50,000

- Morningstar founder Joe Mansueto

- Steven Spielberg, who gave $75,000

- TV tycoon Haim Saban, Emanuel’s biggest supporter; he and his wife gave $500,000 between them

- Steve Jobs, Apple CEO (his wife Laurene also donated)

- Hollywood’s richest man David Geffen

- Citadel’s Ken Griffin, who, along with his wife, gave $200,000

- Five members of the Pritzker hotel family, including Jay and Nicholas

- Philanthropist Eli Broad

- Media mogul Mortimer Zuckerman

- Nelson Peltz, chairman of fast food chains Wendy’s and Arby’s

- Buyout king Ron Perelman

- Hedge funder Marc Lasry

Emanuel’s other big-name backers include two prominent social media billionaires-in-the-making. Chicago-based Eric Lefkofsky, co-founder and 30% owner of web coupon phenomenon Groupon, gave $100,000 via his private equity firm Blue Media LLC. Facebook co-founder Sean Parker also donated $100,000 – the same amount he gave towards his last high-profile political cause, California’s marijuana legalization bill, Prop 19. Emanuel seems to have other friends at Facebook: Sheryl Sandberg, the website COO, gave $25,000. And, in a surreal but telling display of Emanuel’s clout from Silicon Valley to Hollywood, Facebook frenemy Aaron Sorkin — the screenwriter who fictionalized the site’s founding for the big screen — gave $10,000.

http://blogs.forbes.com/clareoconnor/2011/01/24/rahm-emanuels-war-chest-14-billionaires-plus-facebook-and-groupon-founders/?utm_source=allactivity&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=20110124


Nearly half of Emanuel's donations came from the investment money-management community...

Hollywood also came out strong for Emanuel...

Emanuel said that because of the self-imposed limit, his campaign returned $300,000 of the $400,000 in cash donated by Haim Saban, the CEO of Fox Family and a longtime supporter. But records show Saban also provided more than $10,000 in donated fundraising services to Emanuel's campaign. Saban's wife, Cheryl, also gave $100,000 in cash to Emanuel, and also contributed $10,000 worth of fundraising services....

Back in Chicago, law firms gave Emanuel nearly $700,000, with employees and family from Kirkland & Ellis LLC leading the pack at more than $200,000 in contributions. City records show the firm has gotten consulting fees from the city's teachers' pension fund. One Kirkland partner who contributed $20,000 said there was no directive from the firm that resulted in 45 November contributions from partners and associates....

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-22/news/ct-met-chicago-mayor-race-0123-20110122_1_mayoral-candidates-cap-on-individual-contributions-donations-from-city-contractors
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