'South California' for 51st state? (pushed for by scientology-backed Republican)

[onehandle]

Source: LA Times

Accusing Sacramento of pillaging local governments to feed its runaway spending and left-wing policies, a Riverside County politician is proposing a solution: He wants 13 mostly inland, conservative counties to break away to form a separate state of "South California.''

Supervisor Jeff Stone, a Republican pharmacist from Temecula, called California an "ungovernable'' financial catastrophe from which businesses are fleeing and where taxpayers are being crushed by the burden of caring for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants.

On Tuesday, the Riverside County Board of Supervisors will consider Stone's proposal to host a statewide summit for city and county leaders to sketch out a framework for secession. The politician said he was undaunted by scores of failed similar attempts since the 1800s, saying Californians haven't face such dismal economic times since the Great Depression.

"This has struck a chord with a lot of people in the state who have suffered economically,'' said Stone, adding that he has received thousands of emails supporting his proposal. "We know it's going to be a challenge to form a second state, but it's not a impossible. We're sending a message.''

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-south-california-20110711,0,2846870.story

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Jeff Stone - Scientology Shill for California Senate

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22095864/Jeff-Stone-Scientology-Shill-for-California-Senate

[Odin2005]

1. Rec just for "scientology-backed Republican", LOL!

[trotsky]

3. And he's a pharmacist, too! Double LOL! n/t

[trotsky]

2. LOL great quote from the article:

"It's a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody's time," said spokesman Gil Duran. "If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona.''

[lunasun]

13. I was just thinking while reading this

Hope they merge with AZ
then secede........

[valerief]

19. Badda bing! nt

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Reminds me of the effort to have The Hamptons secede from Suffolk County

to avoid taxation and contribution to the county's social programs. Proposed name: Peconic County

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peconic_County,_New_York

[davidpdx]

5. Why can't they just share Utah?

There's enough room for two cooky religions in one state.

[msongs]

6. most of those counties are Not in south California - he can't get rid of the brown people anyway nt

[Bluenorthwest]

7. Thank you! Mono County is as far North as San Francisco!

This whole thing they are droning about draws a map of the whitest sections of CA and tries to tie them all into a piece. So Mono is in 'South CA' but Los Angeles County is not part of 'South LA'. I finally understood that they do not mean geographical South, but philosophical South, as it The South will rise again South.

[FreakinDJ]

9. They need Mono County for the Water

as in - Lets Drain Mono lake

[SemperEadem]

8. why not call themselves "The New California Republic"?

"Fall Out New Vegas" fans will understand that.

[Chan790]

28. I think any Fallout fan would.

NCR's been around since Fallout 2 and is Sandy Springs of Fallout 1. It's kind of funny if you ganked Tandy in the first game and then here she is 60 years later at 90 with no teeth giving you shit for who grandpa was.

[CreekDog]

10. Bye!

:rofl:

just kidding. :hi:

[Gormy Cuss]

15. Why not? We keep most of the coast AND the oil.

The oil should've trumped his reasons for excluding Santa Barbara, if this tool had a clue.
:rofl:

[KamaAina]

30. Actually Kern has a great deal of the oil.

And they just found more. Of course, that doesn't mean crap to us, because the repukes won't let us tax it. :eyes:

[Proletariatprincess]

11. Not the first time this has been suggested...

dividing California into seperate states does has some merit, but I can't imagine how it could ever be accomplished given how contentious Californians can be about it. The state really is too big to be represented fairly IMHO. Our votes don't carry the weight in congress that smaller states do. It kills me to think that people in a small state, like Mississippi, have at least 6 times the representation that we have. If you listen to Congressional debates on CSPAN, you could believe that the Confederacy won the Civil War...lol.

[eagertolearn]

12. It figures! I have lived in both southern and northern CA

and they are like different planets.

[still_one]

14. and where do these idiots think the peripheral canal gets its water from?

NORTHERN CALIFORNIA

[Plucketeer]

16. Sounds good to this central californian

SoCal, Arizona & Texass can secede and form the New CONfederacy.

[coalition_unwilling]

17. Wait a second. I live on the west side of LA and have no desire

to become part of any new CONfederacy.

Maybe split California into 3 states: Northern California (blue), Southern California (blue) and Eastern California (red)?

[KamaAina]

31. You might want to rethink that

Would-be Governor Jackass has his sights set on the Central Valley as far north as Fresno, too.

[Plucketeer]

32. I was just being funny

Yeah, I live in a crimson portion of CA. Got Congressman Gunes, er Nunes for a rep. :puke:

[mr clean]

18. Nope, Texas 51st and SCalifornia 52nd

Remember, Texas wanted to secede first.

[Richardo]

20. If Texas seceded it wouldn't BE a state.

Ergo, S California = 50.

[mr clean]

23. True...

[zalinda]

21. Really misleading title

No where does it say in either of the two links that Scientology supports Jeff Stone. The second link was to a web site that apparently got it's knickers in a twist when Jeff Stone was taking the lead in writing a protest ordinance that protects those who are being protested. What you probably didn't read is that one of the protesters BIT a person who was going into the protested area. The ordinance now reads that protesters must stay 30 feet away from the property line when protesting, which in this case, is across the street, from the property.

No where does it say that Jeff Stone is a Scientologist or even believes in Scientology. All it says is that the Scientology community was grateful.

And, as a matter of fact, this protest ordinance is a good thing, as it also protects Planned Parenthood from their protesters. Maybe Planned Parenthood didn't have enough clout to get it passed, but Scientology did. It's a good thing.

zalinda

[nolabels]

22. The republicans are running scared down here

In five to ten years the Latino and other typically minority populations will probably have a stranglehold and be able vote all those bastard Hippocrates out

[Richardo]

24. He may not have been as enlightened as we are, but he's still considered the father of medicine...

...no need to call Hippocrates a bastard. :)

[krabigirl]

25. Won't happen. Nt

[mulsh]

26. 2 points 1- the state of Jefferson

here's a link

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/ & a wiki link to 3 different states of Jefferson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_State

2) when people in the firestorm area of Oakland cooked up the idea of forming a separate city they discovered they would still need to pay for things like a fully equipped fire dept, emergency response services, a minimal police dept and a myriad of other lesser issues.

I wish this moron luck. As a native Californian I'd love to be rid of people like him.

[XemaSab]

29. I live in Jefferson

"Southern California" starts somewhere about 20 miles north of Sacramento. :P

[WatsonT]

27. I guess if the majority of people in those counties vote for it. . .

I don't know if that's allowed under the constitution though.


Could be interesting if that starts a trend.

Gerrymandering on a state level.

[jmowreader]

33. I think they've got two reasons to want to do it

One is to keep from having to pay taxes to support those "illegal welfare deadbeats in LA and the welfare hippies in San Francisco." The other is to negate the "current California" senators, who are both Democrats.

I don't have a problem with them doing this, as I said in another thread about this subject, so long as this South California state is required to take San Luis Obispo County. This landlocks LA County, forcing them to create a third state that will be represented by two Democratic senators and, probably, 20 Democratic Congressmen. (I mean, fair is fair: if Wyoming, with 544,000 residents, gets a congressman, why then should not a state with 20 times the population get 20 times the representation?)