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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:14 PM
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Prosser: Reports false that he placed hands on neck of other justice
Source: jsonline.com

Prosser: Reports false that he placed hands on neck of other justice


By Crocker Stephenson of the Journal Sentinel

June 25, 2011 8:12 p.m. |(52) Comments

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser responded to reports Saturday that he had placed his hands around the neck of fellow Justice Ann Walsh Bradley during an argument in her office earlier this month:

"Once there's a proper review of the matter and the facts surrounding it are made clear, the anonymous claims made to the media will be proven false," he said.................

Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/124548038.html



We now have a denial.


The slimeball has spoken.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:16 PM
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1. May I be the 1st to call B*llsh*t?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:20 PM
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2. Yes you may
I'll be second to call bullshit on this though
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:23 PM
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3. Innocent until proven guilty...
I honestly hope that he did not attack a woman. Do I think he did? Hm...let's just say they wouldn't let me on the jury. :)
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hayrow Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:37 PM
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4. Odd Statement
Is this a non-denial denial? Why wouldn't he say clearly that he did not physically assualt Justice Walsh-Bradley?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:46 PM
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6. It seems overly precise, but that could be bad writing or fear of saying something stupid. nt
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:47 PM
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8. He is not say those words. see the OP link. It was a broad
Edited on Sat Jun-25-11 09:49 PM by iwishiwas
statement. But I do not or have not seen his full statement.

Maybe the headline in the Journal was paraphasing?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:44 PM
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5. Blood in the water.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:47 PM
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7. This does not sound like a complete denial...
Statement sounds evasive to me.

If nothing happened why do we have to wait for a proper review of the matter and the facts surrounding it?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:13 PM
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11. It's a "nondenial denial".
Edited on Sat Jun-25-11 10:14 PM by Ellipsis
:o

...yea somethings not right.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 04:43 AM
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29. Hmm? MAybe because.....
....there are witnesses to buy off. The motherfucker will be eating shit for years to come over this cowardly act. Disbar him, throw him in jail, dishonor his name. HE deserves it. HE's a coward.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:47 PM
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9. hmm...
Prosser has already 'confessed' to calling one of his colleagues a bitch. He has also alleged that the two women with whom he apparently has BIG issues 'deliberately provoked' him. This stale excuse is typically used by abusers.

Notice the M$M hasn't touched this story...
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 09:58 PM
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10. the NYtimes has, The Milwaukee Journal has, Lot of local
web sites have the initial story. His denial just came out a bit ago.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:16 PM
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13. Fine
perhaps I should clarify that it's not getting the coverage that Weiner's weiner got.

Of course, feel free to refute that, as well...
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:40 PM
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17. Weiner involved sex. Prosser is just plain abuse. No competition there.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:16 PM
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12. But... but... what about Greta Van Sustren ?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:17 PM
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14. Of course he is not going to come out in public and admit ....
so the only thing that he could do is come out and deny it.
What I've read is that there were more than one witness to the alleged attack.
Guess we will have to wait to get the full truth regarding the incident.

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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:37 PM
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16. and one who said it was Bradley who started it....
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:31 PM
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15. Of course he denies it.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:40 PM
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18. He's a dirt bag...
and I declare that to be fact.

:-)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:47 PM
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19. Argument between state Supreme Court justices got physical
Accounts differ on clash between Prosser, Bradley
By Crocker Stephenson, Cary Spivak and Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel
Updated: June 25, 2011 9:56 p.m.

... "In the context of this, I said, 'You are a total bitch,' " Prosser said. "I probably overreacted, but I think it was entirely . . . warranted. They (Abrahamson and Bradley) are masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements. This is bullying and abuse of very, very long standing." ...

In a March interview, Bradley said Prosser had flashes of extreme anger on and off over the years ...

After Prosser's outburst, Bradley sent an email to him and other justices saying the behavior was unacceptable. She said this March that from the time of her email until then there had been no incidents of similar magnitude ...

At the time of Prosser's outburst to Abrahamson, Bradley said she considered going to law enforcement ...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/124546064.html
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 10:51 PM
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20. Since he's a lawyer, it will turn out to be one hand, not two hands.
Literally, he didn't lie.

That's how they do it -- ordinary folks call it equivocation; the scum-sucking lawyers call it "precision."
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 11:04 PM
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21. Yes, or "grasping the neck" will turn out to be different than "placing hands
on the neck."

The fact that this has even come up at the state Supreme Court level shows that he's scum. He's self-confessed scum, since he admitted the earlier verbal attack.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 11:57 PM
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24. See #19.
His version:
She charged at him, he put his hands up in defense, she (by charging) put her neck into his hand(s).
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 11:09 PM
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22. Just a friendly neck rub no big deal

And she took the 1st swing





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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-25-11 11:42 PM
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23. The other conservative judges will lie for him and it will be
their word against the three more liberal judges.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:07 AM
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25. He does not say which of the anonymous claims made to the media
are false. Were there claims that were not false?

Where did the initial reports come from.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:08 AM
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26. Update: Bradley Says Prosser Choked Her
Edited on Sun Jun-26-11 12:15 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4896649

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinal

11:08 p.m.
Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Ann Walsh Bradley issued a statement late Saturday saying that fellow Justice David Prosser choked her and disputing claims that she attacked him first.

"The facts are that I was demanding that he get out of my office and he put his hands around my neck in anger in a chokehold," she said. "Those are the facts and you can try to spin those facts and try to make it sound like I ran up to him and threw my neck into his hands, but that's only spin.

"Matters of abusive behavior in the workplace aren't resolved by competing press releases," she said.

Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/124551874.html
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 12:09 AM
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27. Thank you
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 01:11 AM
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28. Maybe he was afraid she would choke him first.
Edited on Sun Jun-26-11 01:20 AM by Kablooie
Or they were discussing collars and he wanted to see what size she took.

Or maybe he planned to murder her right there.

In any case it was an innocent act and he shouldn't be held responsible because he's conservative and she's liberal.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:32 AM
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30. "In God's Truth, I only struck her with the back of my open hand"
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:36 AM
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31. "anononymous claims made to the media will be proven false" - but specific claims by Justice Bradley
will be proven true.

:evilgrin:

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nonperson Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:38 AM
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32. It was her neck
I'll take her word for it.

Get rid of this putrid fuck as if he was a Democrat.

:sarcasm:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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33. Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Prosser denies altercation
Source: Greenbaypressgazette.com

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser denies chamber altercation

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser allegedly grabbed fellow Justice Ann Walsh Bradley around the neck
in an argument in her chambers last week, according to at least three knowledgeable sources.

But Prosser issued a statement Saturday night saying the reports are untrue.

"Once there's a proper review of the matter and the facts surrounding it are made clear, the anonymous claims made
to the media will be proven false," he said in a statement on the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's website. "Until then,
I will refrain from further public comment."

snip

The sources said Capitol Police Chief Charles Tubbs was notified of the incident. One source said Tubbs came in to meet
with the entire Supreme Court about this matter. Tubbs, contacted by Wisconsin Public Radio, also declined to comment.

Read more: http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110626/GPG0101/106260591/Wisconsin-Supreme-Court-Justice-David-Prosser-denies-chamber-altercation






:popcorn:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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34. Republicon Family Values
As usual.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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35. uh, "anonymous claims"?
Well, not really, Mr. Prosser. Enjoy your new career as ranting barroom loser.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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36. +1
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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43. "in the presence of other justices"---I guess they're anonymous in Prosser's sick mind
:shrug:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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37. "She kicked me out, and then she ran into my hands on her neck, as I defended myself"
Yeaaaah.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 09:05 AM
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47. Witness states Bradley came charging at Prosser & "when attempting to block her, he hit her neck"
:rofl: Yes, I'm sure it was ALL her fault that he assaulted her :sarcasm: and no doubt this witness is a R.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Prosser,_Jr.

On June 13, 2011, an alleged violent confrontation between Prosser and Ann Walsh Bradley occurred. Prosser, Bradley, and all other justices besides Patrick Crooks were informally discussing the next day decision that would overturn Judge Sumi's ruling on the collective bargaining law in Bradley's office. The discussion became heated after Bradley asked Prosser to leave her office and said she was bothered by his disparaging comments towards Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson. Prosser allegedly then put his hands around Bradley's throat in what was described as a choke hold, but did not apply pressure. Among the anonymous sources breaking the information to the press, another report contradicted this altercation saying Justice Bradley came charging at Prosser with fists raised and that when attempting to block her, he hit her neck. Shortly after the incident, Bradley told the other Justices in the room she had just been choked by Prosser, to which an unknown Justice stated "You were not choked". It is currently unknown if said Justice witnessed the incident.
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jerseyjack Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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38. Wasn't there a witness?
As per the initial story?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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44. Here's more info (Wikipedia), says ALL justices but one were present at altercation
Edited on Sun Jun-26-11 09:06 AM by wordpix
"On June 13, 2011, an alleged violent confrontation between Prosser and Ann Walsh Bradley occurred. Prosser, Bradley, and all other justices besides Patrick Crooks were informally discussing the next day decision that would overturn Judge Sumi's ruling on the collective bargaining law in Bradley's office. The discussion became heated after Bradley asked Prosser to leave her office and said she was bothered by his disparaging comments towards Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson. Prosser allegedly then put his hands around Bradley's throat in what was described as a choke hold, but did not apply pressure. Among the anonymous sources breaking the information to the press, another report contradicted this altercation saying Justice Bradley came charging at Prosser with fists raised and that when attempting to block her, he hit her neck. Shortly after the incident, Bradley told the other Justices in the room she had just been choked by Prosser, to which an unknown Justice stated "You were not choked". It is currently unknown if said Justice witnessed the incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Prosser,_Jr.
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Yon_Yonson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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39. He would deny it because he is a lying NEOCON PISS ANT
I have all the hope that his fucking days are numbered
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nenagh Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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40. Good discussion of this at TPMMuckraker..
the newer comments cover Prosser's denials..

Apparently the witnesses have divergent opinions as to what happenned.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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42. And let me guess...
republicans and republican allies who were witnesses are denying he did anything wrong, right?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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45. "the witnesses have divergent opinions as to what happened." Repuke version:
"Justice Bradley asked Mr. Prosser to leave her office; she thereupon accidentally fell and he caught her by the neck with both hands, thus heroically saving her from broken bones..."
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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41. That is one angry White dude.
Looks like he's going to pop a vein in his forehead.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 08:56 AM
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46. if he popped, that would have been Justice Bradley's fault, too:
"Justice Bradley caused my blood pressure to rise, causing my forehead vein to pop out..."
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 11:02 AM
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48. After Weinergate I am not willing to jump to any conclusions. n/t
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 06:27 AM
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49. Everyone remember the GOP lie-cycle.
Monday: Deny

Tuesday: Tell a new lie

Wednesday: Attack your accusers

Thursday: Distract

Friday: That's an old story.
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