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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 11:45 PM
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Administration wants to send trade pacts to Congress before recess
Source: Miami Herald

Posted on Sunday, 06.19.11
Administration wants to send trade pacts to Congress before recess

They are part of a comprehensive trade agenda that President Obama says will help create jobs for U.S. workers
By MIMI WHITEFIELD
mwhitefield@MiamiHerald.com

The Obama administration hopes to send all three pending free trade agreements Colombia, Panama, and Korea to Congress before the August recess.

Initially, the plan had been to try for Congressional approval of the Korea trade pact first because it would have the greatest economic impact and then submit the Panama and Colombia accords later.

But Kevin Sullivan, the state departments point man on economic policy in the Western Hemisphere, said in a recent interview that the plan is now to send all three agreements to Congress separately but over the next few months. Technical discussions on the trade pacts are now going on at the Congressional staff level.

Now it seems like the stars are in alignment its that important to us, said Sullivan.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/19/2272767/administr...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 11:48 PM
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1. Because we don't have enough jobs leaving the U.S.
Gee, thanks, guys. :sarcasm:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 01:21 AM
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5. Obama says they will help create jobs for U.S. workers
Seems I've heard that line somewhere before.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 01:36 AM
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6. Hey, Lasher.
It's hard to believe anyone is using that line.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:00 AM
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22. Hey right back, EFerrari
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 08:01 AM by Lasher
They are repeating what they want us to believe. The neoliberals don't care about those of us who won't fall for it. After all, what are we going to do about it?
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 11:49 PM
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2. This country does not need any more unfair trade pacts
All it will mean is more jobs going overseas
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 11:51 PM
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3. "Who the @#%& else ya gonna vote for, chumps?
Edited on Sun Jun-19-11 11:54 PM by MannyGoldstein
We kill fewer jobs than the Republicans do, so you have no freaken choice. "
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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:40 AM
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4. Best government that money can buy.
n/t
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 01:40 AM
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7. Obama is full of BS. (nt)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 02:04 AM
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8. Thus far, our trade agreements have only decreased our jobs.
Not a one of our trade agreements has increased the overall number of jobs or the prosperity in our economy.

More trade agreements are a stupid idea. This is anti-American.

The trade agreements are directly related to the decline in American wages and increase in the disparity in income between rich and poor.

Talk about giving aid and comfort to the enemy, that's what trade agreements do. They certainly don't give aid and comfort to ordinary Americans.

We don't need trade agreements. We import plenty of South Korean steel and Central American bananas without additional trade agreements.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:41 AM
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16. "The trade agreements are directly related to the decline in American wages and increase in the
disparity in income between rich and poor."

The "decline in American wages and increase in the disparity in income between rich and poor" is certainly true, but where is the evidence that it is tied to trade agreements rather than to regressive taxation, shattered unions, weakened safety nets and deregulation? Our problems started with Reagan's tax cuts, union-busting, dismantling of the safety net and deregulation of corporations and markets. While he also talked the talk of a "free trader" he didn't walk the walk. NAFTA was still 5 years in the future with other "free trade agreements" even more distant.

If the progressive countries with stronger middle classes and equitable distributions of income have more trade agreements than we do, how does one cite trade agreements as the cause of our problems? Perhaps a strong middle class and equitable society are linked to these other factors and not to trade (which progressive countries apparently think is a good thing).

We love to blame our problems on foreigners. That seems to be true in most countries, though Europeans has tempered their nationalism since WWII as they have opened up to each other. It's always easier to blame "them" rather than deal with the problems that "we" have created for ourselves.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:10 AM
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23. Indeed.
There's a general principle of good public policy: when there's a problem, you want to address it as directly as possible.

So, if you are concerned about the exploitation of workers, enact legislation supporting unions and protecting benefits. If you are concerned about economic inequality, enact legislation that redistributes wealth: one excellent way to do so would be a single-payer health care system. If you are concerned about structural unemployment, invest in education: after all, ordinary technological chances, without any help from free trade, displace lots of workers too.

Free trade has its problems, but protectionism is not the solution.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:46 AM
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26. The problem is with US style free trade agreements, not with trade agreements in general.
The decline in wages, and the increased disparity of wages and wealth, have been influenced by all the US neoliberal policies you mentioned, including deregulation promoted by NAFTA, et al. Your either/or scenario is therefore a false dilemma.

I don't blame foreigners for this. They have no moral obligation to protect the US standard of living. I blame Americans in government, and gullible rightwing followers. And I particularly blame those of the affluent who have been intentionally orchestrating the demise of the US middle class.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 12:21 PM
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34. It is all linked.
I remember a C-Span broadcast of a congressional committee hearing in 1985 during the Reagan administration. The discussion focused on free trade which was at that time a new concept. The Democrats were skeptical. One stated that if we introduced free trade, we would soon just be handing hamburgers back and forth for our livings. That is exactly what has happened.

The whole shebang, the destruction of trade unions which began with Reagan's assault on the air controllers' union through the threats to Social Security and Medicare, the abolition of welfare for the poor, the changes to the tax code that make it more regressive, all those things were elements of the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush economic policies that have ruined our country. They were all part of a greater plan.

I do not know whether the authors of the plan were nefarious and purposeful schemers, greedy folks who simply hated America and what it stands for or whether they were simply fools, but they have ruined our country. It really makes no difference. The result is the same.

So the question is, where do we start to rebuild our American economy. And I think the logical place to start is by ending or seriously limiting the free trade. We have to favor domestic industries, American workers, production and manufacturing. There is no way that free trade can be made compatible with strong unions, a safety net and all the other things we need in American.

If you still aren't convinced, just look at the history. With free trade we have seen consistently, year after year, that more money goes out of the country than comes back to us.

This means we have lost control over our national budget. We are always spending more in the international markets than we are taking in. We can adopt austerity measures for the government all we want, but as long as our trade deficits are constantly accruing, we will not be able to balance our personal and national budgets. That is just a matter of simple mathematics.

Fact is, we import everything important. And our main exports, our nuclear expertise and our military machinery do not contribute to the betterment of the world. As we are seeing in Fukushima, nuclear energy is not the answer for the future. As we see in Afghanistan, war isn't the answer either.

So, we have to return to self-reliance. And the place to start is by limiting our dependence on foreign-made products. As long as American workers have to compete with the Chinese, our workers will be poorly paid, and unions will fail.

If you disagree, then tell me how would you strengthen unions, re-establish a social safety net, etc. while continuing to import food and manufactured goods from around the world at the present rate?

I'm interested in your answer. Thanks.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 02:42 AM
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9. No lack of haste here.
Keeping our powder dry, the ship of state turns slowly, change doesn't happen overnight, etc etc. None of that seems to apply to crappy neo-liberal trade agreements that will kill jobs. The magic wand is being waved.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 03:22 AM
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10. Just like NAFTA created jobs ???
good luck with that
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dorksied Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 03:41 AM
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11. We need to END free trade, we dont need MORE of it!!!
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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 03:48 AM
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12. Make your vote count
Don't vote for Democrats who behave like Republicans. Only vote for progressives, those who renounce the corporatist agenda. We may lose some seats in the first election, but if progressives just roll over, no one will take us seriously. Sad to say, but the Teabaggers followed this approach and it worked on the GOP establishment. Few GOP candidates want to risk the wrath of Teabaggers. They turned the Republican Party to the right. Progressives can turn the Democratic Party to the left. Run progressives against bluedogs and corporatists. Make them pay a price for Kowtowing to Big Oil, PHARMA, insurance companies, banks and the others working against the middle class.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 04:27 AM
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13. But if course... the big sucking sound
of jobs leaving America. These are after all, largely Bush deals similar to NAFTA being Reagan's, passed by Clinton.

Big O, you may get a billion dollars for your re-election but, you are not getting my vote. No way, no how!
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 04:32 AM
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14. The slave trade agreements are what will keep me from voting for the democrats. I will vote Green
or Socialist. I've seen jobs leave here by the hundreds of thousands, cities in ruin and the working class eviscerated. Tell me, Obama what happened to renegotiating NAFTA as you said during the campaign?
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:58 AM
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21. Good you're not in Europe. Greens and Socialists there support trade. It's the far right
that wants to raise tariffs and get rid of open trade on the continent.

"jobs leave here by the hundreds of thousands, cities in ruin and the working class eviscerated". True and Europe hasn't seen that happen despite having more trade than us. There must be other reasons why they have a stronger middle class. Could be something we could learn from foreigners there.
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blue97keet Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:35 AM
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32. Yeah, the EU worked out really well fighting over who gets to bail out who.
:sarcasm:
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:48 AM
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33. The EU has its share of problems but their income distribution is much fairer
than in the US (GINI of 31 instead compared to our 45) and their middle class is stronger so they are doing something right.

By the way, it's the right wing parties like the Swedish Democratic Party, the Danish Peoples Party, the British National Party and many others who are the most adamant about their countries not helping with the European "bailouts". Not too surprising, I suppose, that conservatives would want to "keep the money for ourselves".
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:40 AM
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15. The trade bill is a loser for two of the sides
The only winner is the third side: The Uber wealthy side
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:58 AM
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18. Notice how "important" it is to rush through?
Follow the money to a Swiss Bank...
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:00 AM
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27. Gotta hurry and feed us this shit sandwich.
So the voters will have plenty of time to forget about it before November 6, 2012.
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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 05:41 AM
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17. We could do this... or.. or... and I'm just spit-balling here..
We could try to become less dependent on other countries and try creating and keeping jobs here. I mean, it's just crazy enough to work.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:35 AM
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19. good idea barack....send ALL our jobs overseas!
that way we can fight each other for the last crumb of cake.

even richard nixon was`t this fucking stupid or uncaring about the american worker.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 07:53 AM
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20. It's nice to see that this administration can feel some sense of urgency about something. n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:36 AM
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25. +1
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 09:29 AM
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28. +2
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 08:25 AM
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24. Yeah, that's the ticket.
More free trade is just what we need. It's worked out so well thus far.

ARGH!
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TatonkaJames Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:08 AM
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29. Looks like the EHM's are still at work
Shitty deals for us and Columbia on all accounts, except our corporations
will get to screw their country up like every one before. When will these little nations learn ?
They sound to good to be true to these countries until they read the fine print.
By that time we've lost more jobs and they're paying off loans they can't afford.
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blue97keet Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:23 AM
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30. "Free trade" agenda:
1. Disadvantage any independent local development.

2. Undermine the constitution and lawmaking process of any country that has one.

3. Build a gigantic un compartmentalized Titanic house of cards architecture for the global economy.
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:24 AM
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31. He may be screwing us but they're better at screwing us.
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