Cable: PM in spat with U.S. over Cuba

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Nassau Guardian

Cable: PM in spat with U.S. over Cuba
Americans had worries about PM Ingraham's trip to communist nationCANDIA DAMES
NG News Editor
[email protected]
Published: Jun 08, 2011

American diplomats expressed concerns about Prime Minister Hubert Ingraham’s apparent double-talk on the Cuba issue and wrote in an October 2008 diplomatic cable that his approaching trip to the Communist nation was “troubling”.

On October 4, 2008, Ingraham informed a U.S. Embassy official that he was considering joining a group of his peers on a CARICOM-sponsored visit to Cuba that December, according to the cable.

Ingraham reportedly said he had traveled to Cuba “a couple of decades ago” and noted that his Free National Movement party had unsuccessfully opposed the Progressive Liberal Party government when it established diplomatic relations with Havana in 2006.

The embassy official, according to the cable, told Ingraham he was certain that at best the United States government would be “deeply disappointed” if the prime minister were to travel to Cuba.



Read more: http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10838%3Acable-pm-in-spat-with-us-over-cuba&catid=3%3Anews&Itemid=27

[Sonoman]

1. The US needs to get over its Cuban obssession.

Every anti-Castro Cubano I have met came from families who made it big on the backs of poor Cubanos or the Mafia.

Sonoman

[NaplesTaco]

2. Get A Clue

I signed up just to reply to this. How far off base and biased can you be. I am a Cuban American and my father was put in prison for 3 years for attempting to leave the island. He was not in the mafia and certainly not making it off poor Cubanos. He was a poor Cubano, only 16 at the time.

After prison, he met my mother in Havana they had a family and were able to leave the country.

People who speak about Cuba without knowledge about how it WAS really get my GOAT. A lot has changed now since people in Miami flood it with dollars and the new immigrant is different.

The embargo should be lifted and relations should be normalized. But to portray that regime in any other light but murderous shows a lack of historical sense or plain idolatry due to propagandist portrayal.

Innocent people were murdered. My father was taken to an interrogation room several times after days of solitary confinement in a room with a bright light, he would not know if it was day time or night time. They would start asking him if he remembered killing women and children. He never confessed.

He was 16 , His crime , wanting to go to key west.

[Sonoman]

3. Maybe I should have made myself more clear.

I have never met any poor former Cubans. All of them I have known came from serious money.

I suppose it is a matter of perspective. I don't know any poor people, today, even tho I know that I see some while looking out through my car window.

Thanks for the input.

Sonoman

[Judi Lynn]

4. The loud noise you hear from South Florida never acknowledges what was happening in Cuba

BEFORE the good people, poor in the vast majority, rose up to overthrow a filthy, racist, bloodthirsty, brutal government which had been murdering, and torturing them in unforgivable ways and numbers. They just don't have it in them to admit many of them are deeply identified with these monsters. The "exiles" and their progeny continue to fight their war over and over, pretending it was their side which did the suffering.

Once you start researching what is available, learning to read what is bogus from the real material, you will see the U.S.American people have been bitterly tricked concerning Cuba's history, and the US position on Cuba since before the turn of the 20th century. This country has been abusing that island, except for the traitors a long, LONG time.

Here's an article written by New York Times reporter, Herbert Matthews, on what happened at Santiago de Cuba, surrounding one occassion of the murder of several Cuban young men. When the state crime was discovered, the mothers in the city marched down through the center of town to beg intervention from the U.S. ambassador, to ask him to speak with their US-supported bloody puppet dictator, Fulgencio Batista, and persuade him to back away from his radical violence against Cubans:

New York Times
June 10, 1957.pp. 1, 10.

Populace in Revolt in Santiago de Cuba
By Herbert L. Matthews

Special to The New York Times

SANTIAGO DE CUBA, June 9 – This is a city in open revolt against President Fulgencio Batista.No other description could fit the fact that virtually every man, woman, and child in Santiago de Cuba, except police and army authorities, are struggling at all costs to themselves to overthrow the military dictatorship in Havana.

~snip~
Four Youths Slain
The worst act of terror, which the Santiagueros universally attribute to the police, occurred the night of May 27.The morning after, the bodies of four youths were found hanging from trees, two on one side of the city and two on an other.They had been tortured, stabbed and shot before they were strung up.

This caused such a sense of horror and revulsion that a large group of women of the city prepared last Sunday for a demonstration of protest, gathering first for a mass in the cathedral.A number of policemen, armed with submachine guns, were sent into the church to walk around and intimidate the women.The maneuver failed, but when the women tried to form a parade, it was roughly broken up, witnesses said.

Two mothers of the slain youths arranged to see this correspondent secretly late one night, along with some parents and relatives of other youths slain, as the relatives believe, by the police.At the last minute the relatives sent word that the police had threatened them with dire consequences if they talked too much.

However, many other persons have come forth, either openly or secretly, to tell of incidents.The risk was considerable for all such persons, for the police had been trying to keep the closest watch on this correspondent from the moment of his arrival three days ago.

More:
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/cuban-rebels/NYT-6-10-57.htmgtjjjnn



Mothers of Santiago de Cuba, protesting in the streets
regarding their Batista-tortured and murdered young sons.







The mothers as they run to speak to the U.S. ambassador, getting out of his car,
hoping he might relay their message to Cuban butcher/puppet Prsident Fulgencio Batista.



The mothers as the police turn fire hoses on them

[NaplesTaco]

5. Revisionism will not replace History

Batista was a dictator placed into power that fell out of flavor with the elite. He murdered and tortured but it was not comparable to the ways that Castro did and does. Cuba had freedoms that modeled themselves after the United States. Castro did away with those and followed a Soviet Union style oppression that restricted basic human rights.

I feel it is hard for many to understand this because they have never gone through this type of oppression. No freedom of speech. Meaning you could not listen to rock and roll, read certain books, speak English etc.. . If you did you were arrested. No meeting with groups of people with out authorization.

Food rationing, Electric Rationing

There was a secret police, which meant there was a snitch on the block, at work, in the city.

After my father was released from prison, they gave him an option of where to work. Since it was communism, everyone was equal. He could dig ditches at the grave yard.

In order to get away from his past he had to move to havana where he began a new life.

Since the Rough Riders (Roosevelt) Cuba's leaders were hand picked by United States Corporations. That is, up until Castro. In fact that was one of Castro's main points of the Revolution. He was not a puppet of the USA and their corporations and kicked them all out. Reporters here in the USA had a glamorized view of Cuba.

To Point out a NY Times article of Women Protesting Batista to show that he was murderous does not discard the fact that Castro is just as murderous. Or discount the stories that i hear from my family.

And we do not have mob ties or batista ties.

And if we were to listen to the NY Times all the time why aren't they talking

FUKISHIMA, GREECE and UNEMPLOYMENT right now?

[Judi Lynn]

6. The New York Times is a shadow of its former self, unfortunately.

They haven't lived up to their formerly respected name.

From an earlier thread, concerning the life brought to Miami by the first wave "exiles" and their influence on a town they have claimed over and over ad naseum they took when it was only a "sleepy fishing village and turned it into a world class city." Yeah, sure.

Many Americans made it a point to start finding out about Miami Cuban extremists during the Elián Gonzalez debacle, after having heard about the unbelievable corruption in Miami for years. We wanted to know more about what the hell had happened to that town.

Here are a few looks at the stranglehold the Batista-loving Cuban "exiles" had on the town, and on Miami Cubans who had different views. There are TONS of articles written on the subject. the first is worth considering for American citizens, as it concerns the Miami "exile" political "godfather" who imagined he would be the next President of Cuba:

7/31/94 The Miami Herald reprints an interview with Jorge Mas Canosa from the Spanish newspaper El Pais. Mas Canosa was asked by El Pais whether he believed Americans would take over Cuba if Fidel Castro fell. The Herald quoted Mas Canosa as saying, in part, "They haven't even been able to take over Miami! If we have kicked them out of here, how could they possibly take over our own country?" (MH, 7/28/94; WP, 7/28/94)

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_126-150/doc0146b.html

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Terrorism in Miami
Some of the same hard-line émigrés who now accuse Cuba of involvement in terrorism supported -and in some cases still support- Cuban émigré terrorism in the U.S. and against Cuba.
Militant hard-line émigré activities caused the FBI to designate Miami the "terror capital" of the United States. One of the most infamous attacks, in 1976, was that on Emilio Milian, who, on a Miami radio station, denounced terror tactics and intimidation by extremist émigrés. Milian survived, but lost both his legs in the car bomb attack.

More:
http://www.spectrezine.org/global/cubaandterrorism.html

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TRYING TO SET THE AGENDA IN MIAMI
Bashing the Herald is only part of Jose Mas Canosa's strategy
by Anne-Marie O'Connor
O'Connor, who is based in Miami, is Latin America and Caribbean correspondent for Cox Newspapers.

......The revelation that The Miami Herald and its Spanish-language counterpart, El Nuevo Herald, were in bed with Cuban leader Fidel Castro must have confounded the editors of the Cuban Communist party organ, Granma, since the Havana daily has repeatedly portrayed them as right-wing tools of the eternal CIA campaign against the thirty-three-year-old revolution.
Anywhere else, Mas Canosa's remarks might have been ignored. In the darker recesses of Miami's exile community, however, his words were clearly a call to arms. Within days Herald publisher David Lawrence, Jr., and two top editors received death threats. Anonymous callers phoned in bomb threats and Herald vending machines were jammed with gum and smeared with feces. Mas Canosa's Cuban American National Foundation quickly denied responsibility and condemned the hijinks, but Mas's words were highly inflammatory in a city where public red-baiting has served as a prelude to bombings and, in past years, murder.
~snip~
Attempts by Mas Canosa to set the agenda of the non-Cuban media are a novelty, but liberal Miami exile radio reporters have complained for years that bullying by conservative exile groups like the foundation has intimidated moderate exiles into silence and projected a distorted image of their community as a rightist mirror of one-party rule in Cuba.
One such critic is broadcast journalist Ricardo Bofill, an emigre journalist with solid anti-Castro credentials. Bofill came to Miami in 1988 after spending fourteen years as a political prisoner. But he was fired from his job as daily commentator on Miami station WQBA in June 1990, a week after he aired his support for Gustavo Arcos, a besieged dissident who proposed the dialogue. His one-hour weekly program on a cable channel was suspended two weeks later. He still gets bomb threats. Radio Marti suspended his volunteer presence on a round-table talk show in January; Bofill was invited to appear again, he says, after he wrote a protest letter to President Bush.

More:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:UQiB716-0NkJ:archives.cjr.org/year/92/3/miami.asp+Miami+Herald+%2B+feces&hl=en

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Last October, Miami’s exile community did their best to stop a concert by the Cuban group Los Van Van that Bill helped organize.
It was like a scene from an abortion clinic. The militants showed up half a day early and waited for the glorious moment when they could throw bottles, cans, rocks and baggies full of excrement at the crowd attending the concert.
If Miami’s Cubans wanted attention, they got it. Though they didn’t shut down the show, they managed to create a mini-riot scene and, most importantly, get tons of press. Police in riot gear escorted concert-goers past a screaming crowd, and there were a few arrests. One reporter was injured when a rock hit him in the head.

http://www.elandar.com/back/summer00/stories/story_miamimusic.html

From a D.U. thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1413059&mesg_id=1416737