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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:00 PM
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White Americans believe anti-white prejudice is a bigger problem than anti-black bias, study finds
Source: New York Daily News

Anti-white prejudice - considered almost non-existent in the '50s - is now perceived among white Americans as a bigger problem than anti-black bias, according to a new study.

The report found that both races agreed anti-black prejudice declined steadily over the last 60 years, but white Americans felt that bias against them was on the upswing.

Asked to rank prejudice against blacks on a 1-10 scale in the 2000s, white respondents put the number at 3.6 - compared with 9.1 in the '50s.

But white respondents also put the number for anti-white bias at 4.7 - way up from the 1.8 of the '50s.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/05/24/201...



Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:02 PM
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1. Just proves that outliers can really skew the results to be really stupid.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:43 PM
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It's Anti-Stupid, Not Anti-White Prejudice
The Stupid Americans just assume they set the standard for white folks...
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:06 PM
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2. Sometimes I'm simply embarrassed to be white
Maybe it's just human nature to think "poor me!"? As a species I'm not sure that prospects are too good, not the least cause of which might be a serious lack of empathy, particularly for people who happen to look different in some essentially trivial and superficial way.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:47 PM
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16. Me too
The tea party types show just how fucked some of us are
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FreeBillClinton Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:21 AM
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53. That's nonsense
Why should anyone be embarrassed of their race because of the words or actions of others of the same race?

Do you apply that same logic to other races?
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 11:12 AM
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59. I understand your point, sir
I am not saying that anyone, of any category ought to feel anything based on the actions of others in that same category. I simply stated how I sometimes feel.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:13 PM
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3. There are no laws, nor should there be, for prejudice. Discrimination however
Should. And to discriminate, you need more power than the one discriminated against. So, few whites are discriminated against, unless the black is heavy on resources etc.

Dumbasses dont understand the diff with discr, and prejud. Nor the proper utility of law.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:21 PM
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4. "Blacks also saw an increase in anti-white bias, although in much, much smaller numbers ..."
"Asked to rank prejudice against blacks on a 1-10 scale in the 2000s, white respondents put the number at 3.6 - compared with 9.1 in the '50s.

But white respondents also put the number for anti-white bias at 4.7 - way up from the 1.8 of the '50s.

The numbers suggest "that whites also linked the decrease in anti-black sentiment over the last half century to an increase in anti-white bias over the same time period," the authors wrote.

Black participants in the study also saw a decrease in anti-black bias over the years: from 9.7 in the '50s to 6.1 in the '00s. Blacks also saw an increase in anti-white bias, although in much, much smaller numbers: from 1.4 to 1.8."

I wonder if there were any racial or ethnic groups that didn't think that they were the most discriminated against group. (If whites thought there is more anti-white than anti-black bias - 4.7 to 3.6, then anything is possible.)
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:23 PM
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5. The most opressed minority on the face of the earth - the white male.
:sarcasm:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:26 PM
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8. And yet, not nearly enough.
Edited on Tue May-24-11 04:27 PM by aquart
But I'm not bitter.

(Still very pissed about McHenry calling Elizabeth Warren a liar, however.)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:59 PM
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21. They're terrified about losing their edge.
Can you imagine people finding out how they really operate to maintain that status quo? Their children might have to succeed on their own instead of relying on their parent's Country Club connections.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:25 PM
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6. I constantly wonder if the intelligence of the species
Is somehow diminishing over time. Honestly.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:25 PM
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7. Lots of TBaggers and Republicons in that survey. Jeeeez where do these folks get that chit.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:56 PM
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18. Not surprising. These are the same people who never believed Blacks were discriminated against
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:26 PM
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9. I know not all whites are this way
But when I hear some whites whine about how "those minorities" get all the help, or when I hear them brag about not hiring anyone non white, I get truly disgusted.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:26 PM
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10. What whites? The ones who are racists?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:29 PM
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11. Anti-white = unwilling to recognize the supposed superiority of whites.
A lot of middle-aged or elderly middle-class (or previously middle-class) Christian whites assume that they are the social norm and that minorities are deviatiosn from that norm. They assume the superiority of whiteness. With increases in the numbers of ethnic and religious minorities, Christian white people go from being the norm to just one ethnic group of many. A lot of them feel threatened by their loss of perceived dominance.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:00 PM
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23. You can read dog whistle too?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:02 PM
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Dog whistles are silent. This is pretty obvious.
Being a middle-aged white man, other middle-aged white people just assume I share their racist attitudes.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 09:52 AM
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57. Great post. You nailed it. nt
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:30 PM
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12. Who the fuck unrecs this stuff?
:wtf:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:12 AM
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52. The same people who think the bad guys won the Civil War. -nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:34 PM
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13. In the other thread somebody wisely pointed out that 11% of white Americans
are of this opinion, which means that 89% of white Americans are not.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:58 PM
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20. I find that hard to believe.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:43 PM
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29. I find it easy to believe that 11% of whites are malcontents who resent blacks and
feel like THEY (whites) are the wronged ones.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:17 PM
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46. Depends on where you live. Here is the South, it's probably closer to the reverse.
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catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:36 PM
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14. HUGE EYE ROLL followed by the world's smallest violin playing
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:40 PM
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15. Bloody peasant!
Whites are now repressed, eh? That must be why there are none in the Fortune 500 CEO list, no white Senators, no white Representatives, no white governors, and no white rich folk.
















Okey dokey....
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:59 PM
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22. Ya, just ask Rush Limproll who makes zillions w/o an education.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:22 AM
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48. Oh, what a giveaway. You hear that?
Shut up!!

Best movie ever.
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:08 AM
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49. Yes, the best ever.
I'm chuckling right now just thinking of it.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:50 PM
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17. Oh, good golly

Does lack of skin pigment affect the brain?

I'm white, but this is just bizarro thinking.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:57 PM
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19. A backlash was bound to cometh.
I'm just say'n.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:02 PM
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24. You know what it is with these types? Projection. They know what dinks they were and they are
fearing being treated the same way they treated others. They fear it so much, they think it's happening!

Crying racism where there is none! Just like they accused others of doing. Sweet karma!

:rofl:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:03 PM
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25. I'm glad to see people are finally understanding.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:13 PM
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26. You said it. n/t
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:52 AM
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50. I agree it's projection,
I think it's more along the lines of "I hate other races, therefore other races must hate mine. That way I'm not a racist, I'm just a normal person. Everyone does it!" Then they cherry pick anything they can stretch into "prejudice" against them and ignore or diminish all other evidence.

Very very few racists will actually admit they're racist. Even the freaking Klan swears they aren't racist now.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:33 PM
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27. Louis CK thinks being white is still pretty advantageous
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:12 AM
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55. Hilarious!!!
:rofl: Thanx for the laugh! I needed it!
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:37 PM
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28. Merit, as opposed to privilege, makes it tough out there for your average white dude. n/t
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:59 PM
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30. they miss the good ole days.
When white men had all the power, rather than just most of it.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:03 PM
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31. People always tend to think *their* group has it worse, whatever the evidence
Some of it, I suspect, is code for 'Eek! We've got a black president!'
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 09:54 AM
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58. Yep, just like in families, each child thinks they had it worse, as the oldest,

the middle, or the youngest.

I can tell you the middle has it worst! :silly:



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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:04 PM
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32. 20+ years of batshit insane RW radio has made its mark...
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:10 PM
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33. you mean how white people are everywhere in corporate boards,
fashion advertising, politics, the news media, everywhere you go? :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:11 PM
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:14 PM
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35. I don't see how. Affirmative Action is dead and entitlement
continues on.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:44 PM
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36. As a white person I say that is just totally STUPID
and IDIOTIC anyone white person that believes that has bigger problems than being "repressed" ... like being STUPID! :silly:
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:51 PM
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37. Taking the average of an ordinal scale?
The stats and psychometrics geek in me is screaming now.

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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:06 PM
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38. I am a white male and I don't feel repressed because of it.
Stupid teabaggers skewing the results by responding to the survey with a 26 on a scale from 1-10.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:08 PM
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39. This white caucasian calls BS against this BS!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:22 PM
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40. Do they also believe the moon is made of green cheese?
:wtf:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:34 PM
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41. I believe this is simple scapegoating..
.. the right, who are the most racist of the two sides to begin with, and starting to feel the pain of their fearless leaders' policies but they are not smart enough to place the blame where it belongs. So they blame minorities. So much easier than OBSERVING REALITY and ADJUSTING THEIR VIEWS.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:37 PM
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42. The Man is being held down by The Man.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:23 PM
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43. who did they poll? republicans??? KKK members???
??
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:40 PM
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44. This study looks like shit...
indeed, so does the source.

Really, the whole article just seems to be about shit stirring.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:04 PM
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45. I wish they would say *some* whites,
instead of making the blanket statement "White Americans believe anti-white prejudice is a bigger problem than anti-black bias".

I'm white and I certainly don't believe that. It seems nonsensical to me for someone to claim that anti-white prejudice is any kind of problem at all, let alone worse than anti-black prejudice.

I know that there are whites who believe that. I know that there are many whites who believe that. But it's simply incorrect to make a blanket statement like "white Americans believe".
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:42 PM
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47. FFS. This is just embarrassing.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:00 AM
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51. Damn, can't read the study without paying for it.
Edited on Wed May-25-11 06:09 AM by JoeyT
According to what I could read for free, the study is talking about how black and white people actually view racism in different ways. Many white people view racism as a zero sum game...if racism against one group goes down, the racism against the group that was oppressing them must have gone up.

Edited to add: Sorry, lack of sleep is making me dumb. The abstract can be found here

Mostly what I wanted to read from it was if the group was randomly selected samples from the general population, or whatever remained of the group used for the initial numbers. If it's the latter, it would change the story dramatically, since the study would be based on white people many of whom fall directly in the Fox News Is The Truth And The Only Truth demographic. If that's the case, stupid conservatives that react well to race-baiting and "Why won't these fucking kids pull up their pants and get off my lawn with their hippy hoppy music" rants would have much much higher representation than they do in the general population.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:50 AM
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54. Yes, the RW firmly believes this. I'm more concerned about the terrible bigotry
Edited on Wed May-25-11 07:01 AM by No Elephants
against white males with vast wealth, preferably inherited.

This small minority is the most victimized in the U.S. and elsewhere.

Take Up the Rich White Man's Burden.


But, seriously folks, I once alerted on a DU post that said awful things about so-called white people.

Hate and stereotyping on the basis of race, ethinicity, gender, orientation, religion, differing physical or mental ability and so on does suck, no matter which group it's dorected at.

An asshole bigot about white people is still an asshole bigot.

Am I MORE concerned about anti-"white" sentiment than I am about anti-minority sentiment? No.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 08:01 AM
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56. And those Christians are being
repressed as well.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:53 PM
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63. But, but . . . haven't you heard? ...
Christians all across America are being subjugated by Sharia law! Why, I hear that in some places -- even here in the U.S.!!-- it's now illegal to even mention the United States Constitoootion. See, that's what happens when you start allowing them to put up them thar moosques! </snark>
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:20 PM
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60. I believe the study to be true,
It's easy to be blind to our own behavior until our eyes and minds are opened.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:24 PM
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61. As a white male, I think that's a huge crock of shit.
Seems to me that a bunch of white folk are just getting scared because they're no longer such a clear majority.

Doesn't worry me. I try to show respect to all people not like myself. I'm sure that by and large, that respect will be returned to me.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:30 PM
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62. Guess that puts me out of the norm n/t
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:20 PM
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64. How ever will we male WASPS get by???? ...
<snark> Surely, the very next step for a person like me -- a 50 year-old male White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (Episcopalian) -- will be a concentration camp in North Dakota! Don't forget the words of Martin Niemoeller:

"First they came for the right to own slaves, but I didn't own slaves, so I said nothing. Then they came for the right to subject workers to unsafe conditions, but since I wasn't an employer, I said nothing. Then they came for the right to discriminate in housing on the basis of race or religion, but since I wasn't a landlord, I said nothing. Then they came for my inherent right to earn more money than my female counterparts for the same work, but since I was in middle management already and my firm had no female executives, I said nothing. Then they came for my right to beat up on gay people, but since I wasn't a gay person that question was really uncomfortable, I said nothing. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up." </snark>

Seriously, I'd really like to see what the demographic cross section of respondents was. But face it, we've had 30+ years of right-wing pundits and politicians casting issues of civil rights as a zero sum game, where one group's rights are said to take away from another group's "rights." Ironically, the one thing that really is, to a large degree, a zero sum game -- i.e., the distribution of wealth in an inadequately regulated capitalistic society -- they treat as if one person's accumulation of wealth magically creates prosperity for everyone else.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:50 PM
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65. It ain't easy bein' creamy. nt
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