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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:54 AM
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Newdow Pledge of Allegiance Case Decision Due Today from Supreme Court
says NPR... Today at 1 EST, supposedly.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:55 AM
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1. Which is sort of strange, because they normally release decisions
on mondays...
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:55 AM
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2. This could go either way
Anyone want to take bets?
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:57 AM
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3. Since Scalia is out...
it's just possible that Newdow could win. I don't know.

How's that for a prediction?
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:59 AM
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5. Thats my prediction also.
eom
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dsewell Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:04 AM
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8. I'd guess a ruling against Newdow
I thought the ruling wasn't expected until summer. If it's really coming out today, that's very quick, which I would guess means a lopsided decision one way or the other, and considering the rather hostile questioning Newdow got I'd guess a negative one. I'll predict a 6-2 ruling against Newdow.

The secular humanist in me will be disappointed, because I don't think "under God" should ever have been added to the Pledge. The political pragmatist will be less unhappy, because if the Court did rule against "under God" it would light a fire under the religious conservatives and give Bush a great big issue (namely, supporting a Constitutional amendment) to distract everyone from Iraq and the economy.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:24 AM
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10. I'd go with 6-2, MAYBE 5-3.
Ginsberg and Stevens for sure, with Souter perhaps chiming in to dissent.
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mikey_1962 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:58 AM
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4. Is there a line on the Supremes in Vegas??
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:32 AM
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12. I don't know, but there is this: (hehe)
A Fantasy Supreme Court League!

http://www.lawpsided.com/contest.htm

Great stuff, but it's too late to enter into this season's pool (Oct '03 to Jun '04).

:)
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:02 AM
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7. There is no way Newdow will win...
It would piss off too many people and I can't see the Supreme Court siding with him over the wishes of the government.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:00 AM
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6. There is no way Newdow wins
Book it!!!
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:06 AM
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9. The same gang who declared that
counting the votes in Florida would harm petitioner Bush will conclude that it isn't an undue burden for Newdow's daughter to "simply" decline to say the words "under God" while her class is reciting the POA. What's so hard about not saying two words, right?
:eyes:

This case chaps my ass like no other, because it's so breathtakingly obvious that REQUIRING a citizen of this country to make ANY declaration about God, one way or the other, belief in or unbelief in, for or against, is unconstitutional. IT'S NO ONE'S BUSINESS HOW I FEEL ABOUT GOD.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:32 AM
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11. Tricky, but they decided awfully quickly
I'm not sure. This court has ruled against forced prayer a few times. Scalia recused himself, and only gets one vote (through Thomas) this time. Rehnquist is a given. And I'd guess the usual splits will happen, with O'Connor and Kennedy as swing votes.

There was hostile questioning during the trial, but it was mostly centered on the argument that the pledge is a prayer. That will lose. But they may decide that forcing a child to hear a government authority figure profess a belief in God is unconstitutional. It is, it should be ruled that way. (And damn the consequences, right it right, and if we don't do what's right when we have the chance there is no point in winning elections, anyway.)

If O'Connor and Kennedy split, Newdow wins. It's possible. But I don't think it likely. Kennedy is a wimp who will be afraid to go against the public will (and Scalia). O'Connor has a bit more judicial integrity, but not much imagination, so I'm not sure she'll accept the argument.

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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:43 AM
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14. He should win but I have mixed emotions
If he wins it will galvanize the RW and the voter registration drive for the Repukes, anyone not voting for the idiot will come out and vote for the greater good because of what elese would happen on the "Liberal Supreme court" If they find for him and it is found unconstutional my thought it would be a decision to throw the election to the *. Nothing would trigger an onslaught more than this for the fundies and the moderates. I don't know, this resident is so dangerous I almost hope they rule against for the greater good and we can get rid of this jerk in the RW, but then again why should it come down to want the SCOTUS to decide against the constution because we have such a hack in office. The state of this country is dismal.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:52 AM
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15. That would be easy to counter-- kerry would just condemn the decision
Kerry would publicly disagree with the decision, state that he will look into legislative solutions, maybe even do like Bush Daddy and propose an Amendment, but then demurely add "I will obey the law of the land, of course," then blast Bush. Democrats can easily counter any arguments that the Court is liberal by pointing to Bush v Gore.

Bush, meanwhile, would have dozens of kids at every campaign stop reciting the pledge, and the endless appearance of these kids on the TV would eventually wear thin for many. Kerry could comment that he agrees with Bush, but that he thinks that symbolism is inappropriate, that he prefers to discuss his differences with Bush.

It would rile people up, but it would die down by November.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:42 AM
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13. nevermind, they might not be deciding yet
they might just be talking about the case on the radio. I'm not sure... Might be a false alarm.
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