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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:55 AM
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Police: 5-Year-Old Takes Gun To School
Source: Houston News

Investigators said the gun was found at Ross Elementary in the 2819 Bay St., on Tuesday.

Houston Independent School District officials said there was an incident at the school, but would not say what it was. The school was placed on lockdown.

Police and emergency medical services personnel went to the school about 11 a.m. and took at least three children out on stretchers. Officials have not released any information about those children or what injuries they may have suffered.

Detectives have not said if shots were fired at the school.

Read more: http://www.click2houston.com/news/27598215/detail.html
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:59 AM
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1. A new hero for the next "open carry" dinner!
:thumbsup:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:03 PM
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3. Be sure to try a Happy Meal with the special surprise inside.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:04 PM by TheCowsCameHome
:woohoo:
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
28. Winner!
:rofl:
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #1
39. Hope it's not a candle-lit dinner
Doesn't go well with all the strawmen you've invited.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:02 PM
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2. Someone said it was Father-Son Day and that kid mistakenly heard...
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:02 PM by Deep13
...Father's Gun Day.
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:44 AM
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48. Hasn't anybody heard of "Show and Tell"? What's the problem?
Guns don't kill people, 5-yearolds do. When guns are outlawed only 5-yearolds will have guns.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:04 PM
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4. Why would this be a problem?
Obviously we ALL have the right to carry weapons wherever and whenever we choose....or so many here on DU would have you believe.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:08 PM
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5. The great thing about putting made up statements in people's mouths
is that then you get to make fun of them and feel superior!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:18 PM
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8. It's been said many, many times right here at DU.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:19 PM by Buzz Clik
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:21 PM
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9. But of course you will be completely unable to come up with a single concrete example if pressed
:argh:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:24 PM
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10. Ah, so you disagree? A person does not have the right to carry a weapon wherever they want?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:24 PM
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11. Of course not. That would be an absurd, totally impractical point of view, not supported by law.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:25 PM by slackmaster
Or anything else.

And I think you really know that nobody on DU sincerely holds that view. Why do you persist in perpetuating that straw man?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:26 PM
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12. This is like a Twilight Zone episode. Tell me more...
So, you feel that restricting firearms on college campuses is okay? In churches?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:27 PM
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14. Nice try, still waiting on those examples you claimed exist.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:27 PM
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15. I believe owners of private property have the right to exclude anyone or anything
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:30 PM by slackmaster
Public institutions should be able to exclude weapons, but only if they provide real security like that found at airports and courthouses.

Places that have real safety hazards such as pressurized gas containers should not allow firearms.

Otherwise, people who are licensed to carry weapons should be allowed to carry them anywhere.

HTH
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:30 PM
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16. Ah. Now we are sneaking up on it. The key word is "private."
So, parks, court rooms, airports, public universities, public schools: guns are okay. Is that your thought?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Go back and re-read my post. I've edited it twice.
Note the parts about "real security measures" and "people who are licensed".
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:34 PM
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18. Got it. You will admit, however, that there are DU members...
... who disagree with you. They have told me many times that there should be no restrictions on the carrying of weapons.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:37 PM
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19. No, I have never seen any real DU member saying that there should be no restrictions on carrying...
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:39 PM by slackmaster
...of weapons. Such statements have been made by obvious trolls who have all been TS's, and by people such as you creating straw men.

Prove me wrong if you can, but I won't hold my breath waiting. I've been an active DU member since 2003.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. right here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

(I do appreciate your rational approach to the discussion. Many thanks.)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:45 PM
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22. Goalpost move FAIL
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:46 PM by slackmaster
Example provided does not even remotely fit the conditions you set, i.e. no restrictions whatsoever. I'm sure that OneTenthofOnePercent would agree that all civil rights are subject to restrictions.

Of course, you could just ASK him for clarification.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:56 PM
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24. I don't see it that way.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 12:56 PM by Buzz Clik
When I stated that I support the restrictions that keep firearms out of my classroom, and he comes back and tells me to quit my job because his civil rights guarantee him the right to carry in the classroom, he surely isn't lined up with the idea that guns can be restricted.

I'd agree that he might -- might -- agree that a 6-year-old should not be allowed to have a concealed, loaded weapon at school, and that constitutes a restriction. But OneTenthofOnePercent is a long way off from your approach.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. My approach would require a school to have metal detectors, X-ray machines, and guards...
...or allow people who have permits to carry concealed weapons.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. That sounds more like a prison than a school.
Is this how low we've sunk as a society?
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #32
38. Actually more like an airport.
Maybe we can put TSA agents in the schools.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. Metal detectors, X-ray machines, and guards
The three pillars of freedom!
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. If you want to forbid guns, you need to actually do it
VA Tech was a "gun free zone", except it wasn't because access wasn't actually controlled. If you decide to disarm guests you have a responsibility to make sure that everybody who comes in is actually disarmed.

OTOH Columbine had metal detectors; Harris and Klebold went around them.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
61. Without robust measures to actively exclude weapons, any so-called "gun-free zone" is meaningless
HTH
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Nope
I have literally never seen that posted on DU, and I don't think you have either
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #18
46. Cite, please. n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. Read, please. When you arrive 30 hours late to the party, you're going to be behind.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. I saw your "response".
It had nothing to do with your assertion.

Cite to evidence specifically relating to and supporting your claim, please.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Ok.
NOT!

The very next hot thread in the gungeon will be loaded with similar stupid claims.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:13 PM
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55. "The very next hot thread in the gungeon will be loaded with similar stupid claims."
In other words, you have nothing to back up your statement.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. So it seems you have a big plate of bupkiss...
doused liberally with excrement.

Hope that works out well for you.

:eyes:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:20 AM
Response to Reply #57
58. If you put shit on nothing, it's no longer nothing.
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 06:29 AM by Buzz Clik
That was truly brilliant.

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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. So, are you going to bring anything relevent to the discussion? n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. You need to invite a kettle to this little party...
and you can discuss the virtues of being black.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #60
63. Don't stay up past your bed-time kid, it's a school night. Cheers! n/t
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. By WHO?
People building strawmen? Oh yeah, they say it all the time.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #13
42. Attribute words often enough to your opponents
and eventually you can start to blur the line between what they actually said and what you attributed to them.

Maybe not enough to convince most people, but enough to sway those who are undecided.

One of the more unprofessional tacks of radio talk show hosts and anti-gun types.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #42
56. Which is why they must be confronted when they attempt to bullshit the noobs.
You'll see lots of pettifoggery and Nessenisms, but damned few citations...
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #8
41. That 5 year olds can carry whenever and wherever they want?
Oh I'll need to see some quotes on that.

Ones that were not said sarcastically.

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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
45. Cite, please. n/t
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #4
40. The problem with anti-gun fanatics
is that they can't tell the difference between the mental maturity of a 5 year old and an adult.

Then they extrapolate that to everyone and wet themselves at the thoughts of guns in the hands of the public.

I for one *can* tell the difference.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:16 PM
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6. UPDATE
Local2Breaking Local 2 News
ROSS ELEM GUN: 3 students injured by gunfire. bullet never hit any students. kids are being treated for non-life threatening injuries
16 minutes ago

Local 2 News
Local2Breaking Local 2 News
Phil Archer reported the following update: Kid took loaded gun to school. gun fell out in the cafeteria and discharged.
16 minutes ago
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:17 PM
Response to Original message
7. That five year old recognizes the dangers he faces every day at school.
He did something about it. It is his Constitutional right!

Why do so many people hate America?
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 12:46 PM
Response to Original message
23. This is exactly why all teacher should carry guns.
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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. "Teachers." Plural. Didn't you pay attention in school?
Maybe you were spending too much time daydreaming about guns?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:05 PM
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26. The gun 'accidentally' discharged.
Cue the wordsmiths to explain to us the evils of the word 'accident.'

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. That generally means the child pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 01:29 PM by slackmaster
Probably out of sheer ignorance of the effects of firearms. Clearly the actual owner of the weapon is a mental basket-case.

HTH
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #26
43. He was 5
I doubt he knew what he was doing.

5 year olds can't be adults when it comes to knowing consequences for their actions then children when it comes to sentencing.

There's a reason we treat minors differently in the courts.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:27 PM
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29. OMG......
:wtf:That is the school across the freeway from our school. I hate that I hear about this on LBN instead of from HISD.

Now imagine this incident happening in the schools after the soon to be layoffs. This is a tough neighborhood but that is a decent school and I am sure the little kid brought it to school innocently enough. I pray every night that my kids don't start bringing guns to school. We have fights but so far they are jusr fist fights.

Oh, and I am the school nurse I got my layoff notice last week. As sure as I am writing this, we will have kids die next year because there was no nurse at the school. We seem expensive now, but wait til they have to pay for a wrongful death lawsuit. Color me gone.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:58 PM
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31. Probably another case of supposed law-abiding progunner making a mistake that hurts innocent people.

The NRA and those who can't function without a gun say it doesn't happen, but it does.

Hope the kids are alright and the responsible parties are punished. I also hope local legislators get an ass-load of letters/emails about enhanced gun controls.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. "The NRA and those who can't function without a gun say it doesn't happen, but it does."
Really? Where?

I'll be reading A recherche de temps perdu while you're looking that one up....
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:57 PM
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33. And his teacher, not realising it was a gun in his pocket,
had spent the whole morning thinking he was just pleased to see her.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:34 PM
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35. 3 kindergartners wounded when gun discharges at Houston school
By the CNN Wire Staff
April 19, 2011 -- Updated 2023 GMT (0423 HKT)

(CNN) -- Three kindergartners in a Houston elementary school were wounded Tuesday when a loaded handgun fell out of a student's pocket on the lunchroom floor and discharged, the school district said.

None of the injuries was considered life-threatening, Houston Independent School District spokesman Jason Spencer told CNN ...

The two boys and one girl, all of them kindergarten students at Ross Elementary School, were taken to a hospital and their parents were notified, Spencer said. Two children, a boy and a girl, suffered foot wounds, and the other, a boy, was wounded in the leg ...

In 2006-2007, the latest year in which statistics are available, nearly 2,700 students nationwide were expelled or disciplined for bringing a gun to school, said William Modzeleski, associate assistant deputy secretary for the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools ...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/04/19/texas.school.gun.a...
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
62. But Gubnuh Perry will protect em!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:36 PM
Response to Original message
36. Six-year-old brings loaded gun to kindergarten and accidentally shoots himself and
two of his classmates

By David Gardner
Last updated at 9:06 PM on 19th April 2011

... Houston Independent School District assistant police chief Robert Mock believes the children were either wounded by the bullet or fragments from the floor.

He added: 'They had some cuts and stuff on their legs, they don't appear to be life threatening' ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378613/Houston...
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:38 AM
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44. The DU gun lobby will think this fine, I'm sure /nt
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. Cite to evidence, or retract that vile statement, please. n/t
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Good to see your sense of humor remains intact! /nt
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. If you comment was snark, my apologies for missing it.
Hard to tell around here sometimes.
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