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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:27 AM
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China bans time travel for television
Source: CNN

Hong Kong, China (CNN) China has been cracking down on dissent of late, as the recent detainment of artist Ai Weiwei suggests.

But the latest guidance on television programming from the State Administration of Radio Film and Television in China borders on the surreal or, rather, an attack against the surreal.

New guidelines issued on March 31 discourages plot lines that contain elements of "fantasy, time-travel, random compilations of mythical stories, bizarre plots, absurd techniques, even propagating feudal superstitions, fatalism and reincarnation, ambiguous moral lessons, and a lack of positive thinking."

The government says TV dramas shouldnt have characters that travel back in time and rewrite history. They say this goes against Chinese heritage, reports CNNs Eunice Yoon. They also say that myth, superstitions and reincarnation are all questionable.
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Read more: http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/14/china-bans-tim...



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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:30 AM
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1. That'll make for some fine entertainment programming
I'd hate to be subjected to their TV programs.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:17 AM
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8. Have you seen US tv programming?
It's almost all unwatchable. There are unwritten rules for US programming which are really no better or worse than these from China.
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Vinee Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:38 AM
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21. what?
Justified, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, the Walking Dead, South Park-that's all good stuff.
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:03 PM
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24. and yet none of those shows involve time travel
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Vinee Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:57 PM
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28. South Park -Go God Go and Go God Go XII
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 12:57 PM by Vinee
quite simply, it looks like you're wrong BOG PERSON.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:23 PM
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25. I've only seen two of those shows:
South Park, which I love, and The Walking Dead, which I think is a third rate soap opera with a few zombies thrown in every few episodes as a gimmick. These things aside, there are things that just can't really be questioned in the US media: the unfailability of capitalism and democracy, for instance; beautiful people are better people; being rich is good; material possessions solve personal problems, etc.
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Vinee Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:45 PM
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26. well
I think the walking dead is pretty good and will improve significantly in the next season. By improve, I'm talking about gruesome acts of zombie genocide of course. There are plenty of shows that challenge the "beautiful is better" concept, "Mike and Molly" and "Drop Dead Diva", for example. Sons of Anarchy is about a gang of dirty outlaw bikers which throws out all the well established TV norms that you speak of. It has Peg Bundy and Hellboy starring in it btw. Breaking Bad is about a chemistry teacher who gets cancer and goes into making crystal meth to pay for his medical expenses. It too throws out all the norms. I didn't used to be a big TV fan but this show brought me back to the couch. It ain't "2 1/2 Men", that's for sure.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:04 AM
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48. I'll have to take your word for it.
I've been in the UK for four years now, and even in the US never had cable. However, the actors you mention are still among the "beautiful people" group. It seems that the "ugly" characters are usually just gorgeous people with glasses or bad hair.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:06 PM
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30. And the now almost endemic desire to push the envelopes...
"here are things that just can't really be questioned in the US media..."


And the now almost endemic desire of both market and viewer to push the envelopes of social mores (both in taste and content) farther and farther out, which appears to be the precise opposite of the fundamental intentions of this particular Chinese suggestion.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:59 AM
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23. No i haven't, what is it like?
No matter what oligarch owned piece of crap mass-media you check into you will eventually understand that are trying sell you a lemon. I try to tune out of all of it as much as possible. Thanks to DU i have been able keep a steady eye on which way up is for the last decade :-)
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:08 PM
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31. ichelangelo was a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Vatican
I would imagine Michelangelo was a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Vatican in his day too.

However, I guess we all justify our subjective interpretations of what different mediums may or may not allow.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:43 PM
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33. My thinking is not of them controling what i feel and desire but more.....
of the crap they are selling is often sub-standard. Mostly i find the good things are the things they haven't cheapened and adulterated by the marketeers and bean counters. Often also they are not much advertized much because they mostly sell all by themselves by word of mouth. Michelangelo's works of art in the Vatican are labors of love which is still a wonder today. He didn't take a penny of it with him and he left us all with so much
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:25 PM
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39. One man's hack-author is another man's poet.
I imagine we justify and rationalize those parts of Madison Avenue we purchase while righteously maintaining our opposition to it.

One man's crap being another man's treasure is quite an old adage, for good reason I imagine. One man's hack-author is another man's poet. Although I'm not clever enough to make the distinction except for myself, I imagine there are many who pretend they are indeed clever enough to make the absolute distinction.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:16 AM
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52. Lots of game shows, panel discussions and classic operas
at least from what I saw. I swear that the Chinese/Japanese love of cheesy game shows is hard wired. My 8 year old daughter, originally from Hubei province, loves to watch shows like Wipe Out and the gods know she didn't get that from me or her father.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:37 AM
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2. So glad they're our 'friends'...
:sarcasm:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:54 AM
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3. So, I guess Dr. Who is out of favor with the Party tyrants.
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Travelman Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:42 AM
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11. Beat me to it
And what about "flashbacks?" Are those verboten now, too?
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:34 PM
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42. Their loss. The rest of the world loves him.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:00 PM
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43. I really....
....shouldn't respond to you because I don't wish to appear mean, rude or unkind....BUT, Dr. Who has got to be the worlds' most pathetic excuse for television program ever conceived....

....I remember back when, while we were putting men on the moon, the British consoled their populations' inferiority with this mythical program about a guy flying around through time in a phone booth....I'm as confused now as I was back then....

....I must admit, over all these years, I've never watched a complete episode; I've tried, but nausea overwhelms me, then I click....
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:55 PM
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44. You read way to much into my post/the Brits. I don't listen to Simon Cowell critiques, either.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:02 PM
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45. It's not a phone booth, it's a TARDIS (which happens to look like a police box).
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:32 AM
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49. I grew up hiding behind the sofa watching Jon Pertwee as Doctor Who in the 70s
so Doctor Who will always be special to me.



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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:55 AM
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4. So Friends isn't allowed then, right?
I mean all those good looking people being good people and friendly is as unrealistic as anything they mentioned.

Seriously, that might sound like a joke. But... the point is that television itself is surreal and fantastical. To essentially outlaw bizarre plots or fantasy, you're essentially outlawing fictional television.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:56 AM
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5. No fun allowed!
Apprently this outlaws Doctor Who in China.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:03 AM
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6. I guess that leaves "Quantum Leap" out of the question.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:14 AM
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7. Yup, and Dr. Who
And back to the future and lots more.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:25 AM
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9. Science Fiction in general
I would think.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:36 AM
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10. They could go back and convince the emperor not to dismantle their treasure fleet
Back in the 1400s. Then China would be ruling the world right now.

Of course they'd be imperial rather than Communist (in name at least).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Dynasty#Treasure_flee...
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:54 AM
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12. Time Tunnel!
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 09:55 AM by progressoid


I remember watching that on our little B&W TV.

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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:13 PM
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34. Oh, I loved Time Tunnel!
My favorite show when I was a kid!
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SoulSearcher Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:03 AM
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13.  First thought "WTF??", but possibly a strategy
I mean, whats the point right? But listening to Eunice
Moon's video report, I see how this sets up a soft "steering"
control of sorts for the dictative Chinese government. At the
end she notes they want TV to air content showing how the Gov
leaders are great thinkers/leaders/always-right, etc. But rather than
directly do that with directl decree, they instead take away a
major area or creative-story themes.

I know this sounds "out there" but listen to Moon's report
again at the end - it's a control thing. Chinese Gov can dictate
type and amount of content, and they want a given result.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:23 AM
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17. Yep
We do it here.... anybody who thinks opposite of the "Officials" is labeled any number of really bad sounding names. IOW, get in line or you're a bad person. Follow along or to the dungeon you go!

The Chinese, dare I say it, are at least more open and honest and upfront than some of us in the US.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:06 AM
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14. We ought to do that.
Nothing ruins a good show, like lazy writers that resort to silly time travel bullshit.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:10 AM
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15. They're; afraid of having anyone thinking outside of their box.
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 10:12 AM by Uncle Joe
Thanks for the thread, Renew Deal.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:19 AM
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16. So no chance of Fauz Newz getting in then, eh?


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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:00 AM
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18. When you've got them by their hearts and minds, their balls will follow.
At least that's the Chinese gov't fantasy. What will happen is that the stories will go underground and become all the more valuable, and sadly, useable as weapons against supposed "storytellers.
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:21 AM
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19. So they won't get Star Trek: Enterprise
(that was a great show, by the way!)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:27 AM
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20. they realized the wisdom of Obama's ''I want to look forward not back'' which relieved him
of having to prosecute Bush crimes or those of his own Wall Street patrons.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:52 AM
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22. Dr. Who should really play up on this
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:42 AM
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50. The Doctor visited China in 1289 and met Marco Polo and Kublai Khan
Unfortunately those episodes are lost:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo_%28Doctor_Who%2...
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:53 PM
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27. I don't think any of the Chinese cars can go 88 miles per hour, anyways...
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:06 PM
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29. Tonight on China TV: The Happy Chinese Family
All about a happy family of workers in China, who are always happy and have what they need. They spend their day being happy and talking about how happy they are. Tonight: The happy family has dinner and is happy!
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:59 PM
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32. No Escape. n/t
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:22 PM
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35. China bans time travel on the tube
Source: Boston Globe

If you're living in China right now and want to enjoy a nice quiet evening on the sofa watching the classic 1960 film version of "The Time Machine," you may be out of luck.

The New York Times recently reported that China's State Administration for Radio, Film & Television has issued new guidelines as to how TV shows should treat the issue of time travel, saying that shows that involve rocketing through time and space lack meaning and promote an unhealthy belief system.

The Times reports that a press release in Chinese says that these shows "casually make up myths, have monstrous and weird plots, use absurd tactics, and even promote feudalism, superstition, fatalism and reincarnation."

Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/source/2011/04/china_bans_ti...
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:22 PM
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36. Huh....Trying to distract us from the huge financial crisis
That will pale in comparison to the US housing bubble ehhh?
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DeeJay Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:22 PM
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37. I wonder where they stand on televangelists?
or any religious programming for that matter.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:28 PM
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41. "I wonder where they stand on televangelists?"
....probably on their throats and necks....but that's okay, China is now the worlds' largest manufacturer and that makes them 'right'....and every patriotic American can appreciate 'might makes right'!

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2011/03/china-reclaims-for... /
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:22 PM
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38. Its all a ploy to keep Scott Bakula from cashing in...
..on years of Quantum Leap reruns!

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4saken Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:35 PM
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40. Banning fiction?!?
Are their critical thinking skills so undeveloped and disjointed based on a need for a lack of criticism of themselves? I don't think any of those time travel movies are asserting themselves as part of reality. And even if they were, how would it be convincing? There are reasons why the huge popularity of Superman didn't lead to mass deaths from falling off buildings. Because luckily even people without any critical thinking skills aren't THAT gullible.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:02 PM
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46. Wow - they banned FOX News
too bad we couldn't do that

:D
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:17 PM
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47. Does that rule out Jean Claude Van Damme's "Timecop"?
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:59 AM
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51. China bans all time related shows. Live shows of kittens eating will be televised.
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