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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:30 PM
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Prosser gains 7,500 votes in Waukesha County
Source: Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel

Updated: April 7, 2011 5:11 p.m.

Madison - In a political bombshell, the clerk in a Republican stronghold is set to release new vote totals giving 7,500 votes in the state Supreme Court race back toward Justice David Prosser, swinging the race significantly in his favor.

The Waukesha County clerk's office has told state elections officials that they will be adjusting the vote totals to give incumbent David Prosser more than 7,000 new votes, said Mike Haas, staff attorney for the state Government Accountability Board.

"Waukesha will be adjusting their vote totals by 14,000," Haas said the Accountability Board was told.

The numbers will add some 11,000 votes for Prosser and some 3,000 for Kloppenburg, he said.

Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119410124.ht...



Oh, sure...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:30 PM
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1. Yeah, right, I so believe that .
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:31 PM by tabatha
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:37 PM
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9. If she's a repub, why did she hold out on these repub votes? Doesn't
make sense. Had these votes been for Klop I could understand at least the hold back.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:41 PM
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12. If she's a repub, these votes were there as a backup
in case it was close. I would like to see a through investigation and the contents of that computer open to all to review.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:07 PM
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76. Yes she is..."a highly partisan Republican"
Nickolaus, a highly partisan Republican who formerly worked in the Republican Assembly caucus, has been under fire for insisting on keeping voting records in her own personal computer rather than using a more sophisticated system most of the rest of Wisconsin uses.

Who brings us the news? Not a legitimate media outlet, but Christian Schneider, an operative of the right-wing Wisconsin Public Research Institute. The first "breaking news" came from the National Review Online. How did he get the news?

Nickolaus said in a news conference tonight that "human error" was responsible for her failure to include City of Brookfield totals in the vote counts she reported for Waukesha County on election night.

"It was human error ... which I apologize for ... which is common," she said somewhat haltingly.

Nickolaus had come under fire last summer for her plans on how to handle election data:http:

//uppitywis.org/blogarticle/waukesha-republican-county-clerk-finds-7381-more-prosser-votes-h
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #76
138. Are'nt most county clerks partisan one way or other?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #9
112. If they were for Klop they never would have been "found"
Time to wake up, monmouth
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. Must be one of those "opportunities" Prosser's guy spoke about after all the votes were in.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:31 PM
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2. That smells like bullshit
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:04 PM
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37. Rotting cheese.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
122. Shatty shit!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:31 PM
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3. Again, we watch the otherside cheat, lie and steal.
Guess the destruction of America ain't so important. :(
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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:05 PM
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38. Those who Supported the Frankin Votes Agree with Repubs on This One
Come on guys, Nate Silver is showing that the new result looks correct. Same guy who said Frankin winning the Senate seat looked correct. We cannot change our principals based on whether or not it happens to go our way for a given issue. This looks legit. How can we have credibility going forward if we ignore legit voting issues purely because it happens to go against us?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #38
48. That is nice, but it is still wrong and you know it.
Why are you defending voter fraud?
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:20 PM
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51. BULLSHIP
""This looks legit.""

BULL FFFFING SHIP

from CrooksandLiars.com

It seems that Kathy Nickolaus has a history with regard to questionable election practices:

The issue came to a head when Nickolaus removed the election results collection and tallying system from the county computer network this spring and installed it on standalone personal computers in her office. She has said they are backed up with redundant systems.

http://crooksandliars.com/breaking-news/conservative-wa...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #51
64. So, she is a proven criminal...great.
Just, great.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:22 PM
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53. TOTAL BULLSHIP
With Franken there was no one all the sudden gaining 7000 votes

when are we going to hit the streets with the torches and pitchforks?

this travesty has gone on long enough
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:59 PM
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72. I encourage all of Wisconsin to get out in the streets to protest
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:00 PM by mvd
Enough is enough. How often do 7,000 votes just turn up, after the fact? Kloppenburg better ask they get thrown out due to fraud.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #53
79. That's what needs to happen but it won't. But you can call
Bernie Sanders.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #79
90. Unfortunately the younger generation has been desensitized for this kind of thing
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:25 PM by mvd
Probably due to the worsening of education for the masses, which the Repukes want. Can't have people knowing what's going on. I hope the Boomers don't have to do everything again. They are getting old now.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #90
132. Me too. I'm Boomer One. Born the first day of the boomer
generation, which was February 20, 1946.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:32 PM
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Back into the streets
Utter bullshit.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:32 PM
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4. Very convenient. n/t
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:33 PM
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5. smells
n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:34 PM
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6. the Democratic Party USA INC does not give a crap about vote fraud, why should we?
since 2000 not much has come from our elected "leaders" on this issue when they had the chances to do something. sorry bout that lol
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. This is not vote fraud. It's election fraud.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #18
52. +1
eom
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
34. We should care because if the repugs get their way we all will be
eating out of dumpsters...
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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:34 PM
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7. It's the same old computer they complained about before the election though
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:35 PM by Mistwell
I think it's illogical to automatically dismiss this as cheating. This is the same old computer warned about prior to the election (the only outlier computer among the state election counting machines). If the stupid thing failed to report a city (which is what looks like happened), then we should want them to count it. Counting all the votes cast is, in my opinion, more important than winning. It would be cheating to NOT count those votes.

See:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264209/breaking-co...

This is the same computer that was disputed back in August of 2010:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/100595954.html
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:39 PM
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10. Prosser stated that numbers would change. He knows....n/t
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:42 PM
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13. why are they using this computer if it is so unreliable!
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:45 PM
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15. According to what I just read, her computer wasn't secure and she could have tampered with data:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And they knew that last year.

The County auditors said it was eminently possible -- including historical precedent -- for Nickolaus or a rogue employee to tamper with data. Why? Nickolaus insists on controlling password access and has unilaterally decided to move sensitive files, like election results, onto her personal computer.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:48 PM
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19. That Is exactly What She Did, Sir: this is Criminal Fraud, and Cries Out For Jail Time
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #19
116. It will be allowed by our Democratic "leaders," and anyone not out on the street
Ever dollar spent in Wisconsin further "signs off" on this election fraud...
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #19
139. Have you studied this matter in greater depth than Nate Silver?
Nate Silver agrees with the percentage votes from Waukesha county
to each candidate based on historical data. If you indeed have more
knowledge than 538's Nate Silver, I would love to see your data.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #19
140. You, sir, nailed it.
+1,000,000
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #15
31. And she is a PROGRAMMER.
Which is just a wee bit of a problem for me here.
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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #15
33. But It's Always Been a Republican-Voting Town
Oh come on guys, that town always goes Republican. There is no statistical difference between this vote count and prior years. There is no evidence of tampering. We should default to counting votes. That's the principal of our party, even if it goes against a short term goal.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #33
42. Second time you've defended this..Whassup?..n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #33
44. Sorry, but no one is buying what you are selling.
How do we know she didn't tamper with the votes? Someone needs to find out why it took all night for someone to notice an entire city was missing! How often does that happen again? And on a 'leaky' PC...that has a PROGRAMMER at the wheel?

Goodluck convincing people it is not fraud.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #33
62. That's the wrong comparison
What's the difference between the %age in favor of Prosser in these "new" votes and the %age in favor of Prosser in the rest of the votes in the county or precinct?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #62
89. Plus, a lower turnout wouldn't be any red flag to me, since..
Democrats should have been more energized in this election anyway.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #33
86. I'm not a computer programmer , are you? If you are, could you tell me
what the signs are for tampering, and who said there were no signs of tampering?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #33
127. "Always Goes Republican"
so that's an easy district to pad the votes. Nobody will squawk because it is Solid Red. And they make sure we all believe it.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:36 PM
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8. Close enough to steal. Told ya.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #8
128. All day people have been bitching whenever anyone suggested that
I told them too. Bet we wont get any credit though ;)
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #128
134. OK you get the credit
what now?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #134
144. I don't care about credit - Just don't see why we received crap for it yesterday
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 11:46 AM by eowyn_of_rohan
It isnt as if e-voting fraud is not a major problem in our country. We should be able to discuss this issue here without having our ideas slammed.

btw- did you notice the wink-smile icon? It means I am being facetious. I dont give a rat's ass about getting credit, just dont appreciate being insulted for bringing up the issue of potential election fraud

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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #144
147. Did I insult you? No, I just want to turn the conversation
You want credit, great you get it. You just want to be free from insult, I absolutely agree.

But my point is this - let's move past the past, and focus on what can be done now.

Do you have any suggestions?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #147
148. I've registered with the recount team
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 11:07 PM by eowyn_of_rohan
I'm moving forward. And as I said, "credit" is a moot point.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #148
150. Twice you've said so
Edited on Sat Apr-09-11 01:13 AM by demwing
but you brought up the remark about not getting any credit, not me
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #147
149. By the way. What are YOU doing?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #149
151. All I can - and since I live in FLA that's probably limited to donating $$$
to help pay for the recount.

I did sign up as a volunteer, but I don't know how the hell that's going to work..

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:39 PM
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11. It looks like another election stolen by GOP thugs.
And who can be surprised? I know I am not.

And this is why I am cautious about all of the optimistic predictions coming out of DU about the 2012 election that do not take the stolen election factor into account.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:45 PM
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16. Nate Silver says statistically it looks legit.
@fivethirtyeight The numbers being floated about missing votes in Brookfield seem reasonable. Would be ~11% of Waukesha vote, same as in Prez election in 08.

@fivethirtyeight Before missing votes were found, Waukesha's turnout had been 7.5% of WI's. Versus 7.8% in Pres '08, 8.7% in Gov '10, 8.7% in Feb. election.

@fivethirtyeight So I don't think there's any conspiracy here ... Waukesha's vote total had been slightly lower than you might expect.

Either way, it will be very easy to prove if an entire city was missing in the vote tally, especially since WI requires a paper trail.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:49 PM
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22. That Just Means The Criminals Concocted Their Fraud Competently, Sir, Nothing More
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:51 PM
Original message
If an entire city is missing
it's going to pretty easy to prove. WI has paper trails too.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:18 PM
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88. Good news. Let's see those paper trails if they have nothing to hide.
Nate has slowly become more corporate-friendly anyway.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #88
129. You have to have a court order to hand-recount the Optical Scan ballots
I wonder how hard it is to get a court order to do that. That is the only way we'll see the paper trail. Without a court order Optiscans are put through the ES&S tabulator again for the recount - and again counted via Diebold/ES&S software.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. After watching Nate for a number of years I have really come to trust him.
This may be legit, which doesn't mean it still isn't a real blow to the gut.

I was always amazed at how closely he called how the recount on Franken went. Even when Franken was behind he called it for Franken with several hundred votes and it ended up going that way very closely to what he called.

Any voter total coming in lower than the prior recent elections has to be suspect because the turnout was indeed incredible.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:09 PM
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126. Your post speaks for me as well. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:44 AM
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136. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:47 PM
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17. Ms. Nicholas Is Engaged In Planned Fraud, Sir, And Should Be Tried And Jailed
Pour encourager les autres....
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:48 PM
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20. +1,000,000
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
91. Hi, Magistrate!
You aren't one to always believe in conspiracies, so you saying this is telling indeed. :hi:
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:49 PM
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21. I feel like I have been hit with a hammer right now.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:51 PM
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23. you're not the only one.
:(
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:51 PM
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24. Kathy Nicholas (sp?), the county clerk, has been involved in shady election results in the past.
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:54 PM
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26. Like we didn't know this was coming...

2000, 2004 - any close, volatile or politically important election WILL BE STOLEN until the rot is exposed to sunlight and the criminals made opprobium.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:57 PM
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27. This cannot stand.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. That rug really tied the room together, and they peed on it.
:argh:
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:58 PM
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29. Holder needs to get the FBI in there NOW
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #29
108. He's way too busy
busting medical marijuana growers in California and Wyoming to worry about some trivial election-tampering scheme.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:59 PM
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30. but ACORN was busted in Nevada and fined 5000.00
they're just trying to even the score :sarcasm:

jesuswept, what has happened to our country? how can a supervisor of elections hold back votes or not tabulate a count until after the election

is close to being decided.

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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:00 PM
Original message
Professional con men. That's what they are. EVIL BASTARDS!!!
They can't help themselves.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:00 PM
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32. Well then, let's have us a little investigation then
and look a little deeper into our GOP-manufactured voting equipment, shall we?
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:05 PM
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39. It won't happened. Democrats are too weak-kneed. Remember Al Gore? John Kerry?
They let republiKKKlans get away with lying, cheating, and stealing.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:18 PM
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46. Exactly.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:03 PM
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35. And from a computer and offial that's been
'problematic
' in the past?

Right.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:03 PM
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36. Wait! Let me see if I understand this...
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 07:22 PM by KansDem
The polls closed 48 hours ago and the tally verified. Now they're saying they "found" 7,500 more in the computer? Why weren't these included in the original count?

If they expect us to believe this, I've got a palm tree in Madison to sell them...
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:33 PM
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63. They "found" about 14,000 votes
The difference is around 7,500 in favor of Prosser

:argh:
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:09 PM
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40. There is no way this was not going to happen, and there is no way
the happening will not stand. The Rethuglicans are simply playing a different game. They will do "anything" to win. Gee, guess we'll have to contact Bernie Sanders....
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JournalistKev87 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:13 PM
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41. I literally want to throw my laptop out the window!
Seriously, this is some fucking bullshit! This country is truly and utterly ass backwards.

If this is the preview for 2012, we are FUCKED! I seriously see no way out of this shithole we are in.

I hope Wisconsinites take to the street if this election is stolen.

SZXDFHBJUI87Y6TGFYNKJ8I97YGHJ897YGFTOLP8I90GFTYHJBNK890GFTYHBJNKOLP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:16 PM
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43. Oh, what a fucking surprise.
not.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:17 PM
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45. If this holds, it's just more reason for Democrats to get off their asses in the recalls and in 2012
Dammit.

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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:18 PM
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47. The Republicans are stealing this election even while we watch
The Republicans have not even brought out the Koch funded lawyers yet.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:20 PM
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49. So. Fucking. Sick. of this Shit.
Really. They couldn't be any more obvious and no one ever stops them.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:20 PM
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50. This might not be entirely a bad thing. This is the second super thugish act (after the quick vote)
If it becomes even remotely apparent that this bitch has stolen the election then the Republicans are simply finished in that state for 30 years at least. They are, over and over, showing their true colors in ways that can only surely push independents to Dems for decades to come.

If this stands I predict a few more Saturday rallies like we had recently and a new even more intense momentum for the Dems.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:23 PM
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54. Corruption....
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:23 PM
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55. With these new GOP thug governors, you can multiply Ohio in 2004 many times over in 2012
Unless they are recalled. And what are the odds of that, given the kind of thing they have pulled off here.

No doubt Walker will promote her to a plum administration position. Katherine Harris, anyone?
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:23 PM
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56. File suit! Subpoena that equipment!
Have some forensic PC technicians look at that system and find out of there is any history of files being updated.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:24 PM
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57. Same Story at Crooks and Liars
http://crooksandliars.com/breaking-news/conservative-wa...

The only thing I'm wondering is why the Dems did absolutely ZERO about vote reform when they held both houses of congress
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:00 PM
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117. Their bosses wouldn't allow them to. It was never about "democracy"
n/t
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:24 PM
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58. Anyone know the voting situation in Waukesha County?
Is there any paper trail to use to verify what went down should we have a recount? Or do we just have to trust the word of some shady, partisan county official that she goofed but everything's cool now?
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savannah43 Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:43 PM
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99. The latter.
A fixed election! I am weak with surprise!~
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:29 PM
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59. If this is legitamate,
what does this say about Wisconsin and, in general the US?

Does this mean there is truly a majority that agrees with Walker, the Tea Party and Ryan? Is it time for me to emigrate?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:47 PM
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69. It means that we are pretty much divided
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:07 PM
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75. Scarily divided
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:10 PM by mvd
But we will prevail because we're in the right and people eventually have to see that. Let's just hope Repukes don't wreck things for hundreds of years or there isn't another civil war first. I'm a peaceful person and want 60s style protests instead, but if the corporations turn the country fascist, we have to have our country back.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:30 PM
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60. Is this consistent with the rest of the votes in that county?
11000/14000 is 78.5% in favor of Prosser. What was the %age in favor of Prosser for the previously-reported votes? Is any deviation statistically significant?

Come on, there must be some statisticians on here. What's the analysis?
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:30 PM
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61. Waukesha is a conservanazi stronghold.
Anyone wanna bet they rigged this one?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 07:44 AM
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142. Yup, I know the area.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 PM
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65. OH LOOK!!!
I found 14,000 votes tucked under my front car seat!! I must have forgotten them, My bad!!!!

Yeah, right... :argh:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 PM
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66. Looks like another stolen election by Billionaires.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 PM
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67. This would be why I didn't start celebrating last night.
It ain't over until the recounts are over, be they fraudulent or otherwise, particularly in a race that was this close.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:42 PM
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68. She keeps election results on her personal PC and that's fucking legal? WTF!
How the hell is this even legal? Why the hell does this woman get away with it? This is totally insane. Here are some snippets -- there's a lot more at http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8456

As Schneider notes in the NRO piece, Waukesha's County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus had indeed come under scrutiny for her election procedures in the past. As The BRAD BLOG flagged back in August of 2010, it was discovered that Nickolaus keeps election results on her personal PC in her office, and only on her personal PC.

Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus' decision to go it alone in how she collects and maintains election results has some county officials raising a red flag about the integrity of the system.

Nickolaus said she decided to take the election data collection and storage system off the county's computer network - and keep it on stand-alone personal computers accessible only in her office - for security reasons.

"What it gave me was good security of the elections from start to finish, without the ability of someone unauthorized to be involved," she said.


This stinks to high heaven. I can't even believe this is allowed to go on. One woman has complete control over election results on HER personal PC. No oversight, no observer from the other side, nothing. Just this POS and her PC. Election integrity? What a fucking joke! This must be stopped IMMEDIATELY. And there should be a thorough investigation, including going through the votes from that district with a fine-toothed comb.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:22 AM
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141. truly horrible...eom
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:50 PM
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70. Let's face it: if they can get away with this shit, democracy is OVER. nt
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:39 PM
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130. It already WAS over. We hoped to get it back
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:54 PM
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71. You mean the county that went 73% for Prosser .....
.... misplaced the amount of votes = to just about 20 precincts?

or about 9% of the total vote.




What a surprise. I have worked poll watching and election protection since 2004 .....
this is impossible to "just happen." At the end of the day all polls turn their votes,
electronic data, poll logs, and voter machine seal #s to the county BOE and from there
the data goes into a computer / compiler and the totals should be cross checked to the # of
voters who voted. They have flush toilets and computers in Wisconsin .... this is just
about 100% impossible to happen by random chance.

Bullshit ..... people should be in jail for this kind of fraud.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:05 PM
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74. Couple that with Prosser's statement about "finding" votes, and..
this could be one brazen theft attempted. Kloppenburg has to have people investigating this immediately. Send them to Waukesha tonight!
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:08 PM
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77. The Rethuglicans are too strong and are not afraid of using any
tactic necessary. They will steal this vote and whatever they want in 2012. There is no one to fight fire with fire with them.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:01 PM
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73. If Republicans are so omnipotent, why bother to even vote at all.
Why not save the effort and give up now since Republicans are so all-powerful and cannot be stopped? :shrug:
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:08 PM
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78. According to what I am reading the Democratic member of the canvass board....
....concurs with the new numbers.

http://elections.wispolitics.com/2011/04/waukesha-count...

From the article:

The wild swing in Prosser's favor immediately raised concerns among Dems, who pointed out Nickolaus is a former staffer for the Assembly Republican Caucus who was granted immunity in the investigation into allegations of illegal campaign activities on state time.

Ramona Kitzinger, the Democratic member of the county board of canvass, defended the process. She agreed with Nickolaus that the board "went over everything and made sure that all the numbers jived up, and they did."

"I'm the Democratic vice chair of Waukesha County, so I'm not going to stand here and tell you something that's not true," Kitzinger said.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:12 PM
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84. Anyone can say anything under threats
There still needs to be a full investigation.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:51 PM
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115. Can anyone confirm Kitzinger is not a repub plant as often happens?
They pose as democrats only to allow election fraud.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:46 PM
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131. Ah yes, like Madame Butterfly Ballot - Christine LePore
Yes - I worry about Ramona, too. She might not be as brazen but she may just not be that on top of things. That kind can be valuable to them too.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 12:07 PM
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145. Aaaaack!! that's THERESA - THERESA LePore
i should have remembered that.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:11 PM
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80. Wisconsin corrects vote count, gives incumbent Supreme Count Justice David Prosser big lead
Source: Post cresent




Wisconsin corrects vote count, gives incumbent Supreme Count Justice David Prosser big lead
JoAnne Kloppenburg now faces 7,500-vote deficit
6:05 PM, Apr. 7, 2011 |
88 Comments

Written by
The Associated Press


WAUKESHA A conservative-leaning Wisconsin county is correcting its count and giving an unofficial 7,500-vote lead to the incumbent in the hotly contested state Supreme Court race seen as a referendum on Republican Gov. Scott Walkers divisive union rights law.

Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said Thursday that the votes werent reported to The Associated Press on Tuesday due to human error.

Before the announcement, it was assumed 68-year-old conservative Justice David Prossers race against liberal assistant state attorney general JoAnne Kloppenburg was headed for a recount.

But Prossers lead is likely to stand if the new numbers hold up through canvassing in all of Wisconsins 72 counties................


Read more: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110407/APC0101/11... |lateststories



This has to be the most devastating news for all of us who -just a few short hours ago were elated.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:11 PM
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81. It's actually not a big lead, it just seems that way compared
to where we were.

Considering that Kloppenburg was virtually unknown 6 months ago, she did extremely well.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:03 PM
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103. Yes, I agree but it is not the same as a WIN. Just not the same no
matter how you work the words.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:23 AM
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135. Sorry, coming in 2nd in a field of 2 doesn't make me feel better
This race was so fucking important - winning was EVERYTHING.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:11 PM
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82. Again, I would like to hear from the Democrat on the canvass board for that county
Is she objecting? Would she even know if she was getting suckered by the GOP? So many questions!
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:13 PM
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85. She is not objecting from what I just read...
Kitzinger, the Democratic member of the canvass, concurred with the new numbers.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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87. Wouldn't take just her word for it
There can be traitors on our side. It seems really, really weird that the error would be discovered just now.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:33 PM
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95. An elderly woman who did not seem the sort to know much about the complex technical issues involved
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:38 PM by brentspeak
With all due respect, Ms. Kitzinger didn't strike the viewer as one who would know a whole lot about legacy hardware and proprietary database software. Hard to say how also how much she could assert herself during a canvassing effort led by the aggressive and much younger GOP county clerk whose claim to fame was giving the stiff-arm to the public when asked to make her canvassing procedures more transparent.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:37 PM
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98. Good point
:thumbsup:
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DumpDavisHogg Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:06 PM
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119. This is why the protests MUST continue
Now the Madison protesters have something else to protest, and they should. The protests should continue until Prosser is booted out.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:21 AM
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143. No final, official result has been published yet. Anyone who is "devastated" or "elated"...
...has reacted prematurely to non-certified and therefore legally and historically irrelevant information.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:11 PM
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83. Wisconsin corrects vote count, gives incumbent Supreme Count Justice David Prosser big lead
This thread has been combined with another thread.

Click here to read this message in its new location.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:29 PM
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92. Denmark is starting to stink,,,this is definitely shenanigans
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:30 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:29 PM
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93. Sorry to rant but this is impossible .... easy to prove
They better damn well have the same # of applications for absentee ballots
and signatures in the poll logs (what you sign before you vote) = to the amount
of votes shown.

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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:30 PM
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94. Statistically significant difference from other votes in county
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:33 PM by ArcticFox
(Edited to account for the post not recognizing spaces)

According to http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politic... the vote totals in Waukesha County are as follows (percentage calculations are mine):

Prosser(P) Kloppenburg(K) Total(T)

As of yesterday: P=29332 K=81255 T=110587
%age P=26.52 K=73.48 T=100

"New" votes today: P=3426 K=11008 T=14434
P=23.74 K=76.26 T=100

Total as of today: P=32758 K=92263 T=125021
(yesterday + new) P=26.20 K=73.80 T=100


Notice that the new votes are skewed about 2.5% more in favor of Prosser than either the previous votes or tne total including the new votes. Using the significance calculator #3 found at http://faculty.vassar.edu/lowry/polls/calcs.html, it shows the probability of this difference occurring by chance to be less than one in 10,000 (p<0.0001).

For reference, scientific studies generally use a probability value of .05, or one in twenty probability of the result occurring by chance, when determining whether results are statistically significant.

Unless there is something DRASTICALLY different about the City of Brookfield as compared to the other cities in the County of Waukesha, the skew of results reported from this city so heavily in favor of Prosser is not a chance occurrence.

I'm relying on an internet calculator and a knowledge of statistics I acquired over ten years ago, but I think this is certainly in the right ballpark. Love to see this done by a real statistician, but until one shows otherwise, I think there needs to be a serious investigation.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:00 PM
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102. You've got your K's and P's reversed
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:07 PM
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124. all that means is that there is a reason why it was different from the rest of the county
the answer could be as simple as, more people there liked one side or the other
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:35 PM
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96. And, we are suppose to believe this is not being manipulated and rigged ?
I have never heard of anything this blatantly crooked. And, it is frighten to think that certain forces are willing to do whatever it takes to achieve their goals.
I don't believe that a voting system could get it so wrong originally and it makes you question whether past and future elections can be counted on as being reliable.
This absolutely disgusting that rigged elections like this are happening in America.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:10 PM
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121. Not me. Not after 2000 and 2004. Something really...
...needs to be done about this.

My earlier post:

Okay Dems. NOW is the time to debate the integrity of our...
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:56 PM by YvonneCa
...election system. The stakes are high in Wisconsin...but they'll be even higher in 2012. Better to have the debate around a non-presidential crisis.

Don't you think?

First the debate...then improve the system. We know how to make it work fairly.



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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:35 PM
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97. So, can another county come up with 8,000 votes for his opponent? Seems like an easy trick! nt
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:52 PM
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100. BULLfuckingSHIT
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:56 PM
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101. I have never heard of such an error in over 50 years of following politics..
Not 10,000 lost votes...nope..I wonder if anyone else has..???
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:09 PM
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120. Just one that I can think of, Stuart G, and it wasn't during my lifetime
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:08 PM
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104. Read the whole article, folks!

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119410124.ht...

"I'm thankful that this error was caught early in the process. This is not a case of extra ballots being found. This is human error which I apologize for, which is common," Nickolaus said, her voice wavering as she spoke to reporters.

(SNIP)

Nickolaus said the problem had nothing to do with her election system, which has been criticized as outdated. Her election operation was the subject of a county audit last year after complaints were leveled that she was not cooperative with information technology specialists who wanted to check the system's integrity and backup.

The audit concluded that while the clerk's system generally complies with state and federal guidelines and accuracy of election totals was not at issue, Nickolaus should improve security and backup procedures.

Although it was not among the audit recommendations, Nickolaus' decision to no longer report municipal election results separately on election night, as many other county clerks do, has raised questions. Nor does she show in the running totals throughout election night what proportion of the voting units are included in the tallies.


:grr:
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:15 PM
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105. :(
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 09:15 PM by freshwest
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electricD Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:17 PM
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106. I remember in '04
when a WHOLE county in Ohio that supposedly ALWAYS went democratic had their votes completely thrown out for whatever reason.

Rumor was, at the time, that it was enough votes to get Kerry the electoral votes he needed.
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:18 PM
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107. This sure strengthens my faith in the myth that every vote counts.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 09:19 PM by reformist2

I wonder how many times my vote was lost or miscounted over the years...
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:29 PM
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109. If the Wisconsin Dems don't get a oourt order to secure the voting machines NOW
and then demand that the code be checked, they have neither smarts nor guts.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:38 PM
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110. She failed to look the camera in the eye.
You could almost see the Koch puppet strings being pulled.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:38 PM
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111. Recall elections will be stolen the same way
Time for something to burn, or expect the same sort of crap in the recall elections.
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:40 PM
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113. I hate to suggest it, but could there have been competitive vote fraud on both sides last night .
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 09:40 PM by reformist2
I have no proof, but it would explain why the total stayed so close to 50% all night.

Probably the only legitimate votes counted are the 14,000 suddenly "discovered" tonight!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:48 PM
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:06 PM
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118. I believe the simplest, therefore most likely explanation, is human error
With an understandable emotional reaction from people who prematurely celebrated a victory that didn't really happen.
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tahrir Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:07 PM
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125. you forgot the sarcasm tag
fyi
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:31 PM
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154. I understand that this is what you believe
but what evidence do you have to support that belief?

Why is "the simplest, therefore most likely explanation" human error? Why isn't it fraud?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:26 PM
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123. What pumpkin did they pull those votes from?
nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 12:00 AM
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133. I live in California, another state with elected Supreme Court justices
and this election drama makes me consider being against elected judiciaries, as I voted for county and state judges last election.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:56 AM
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137. The miracle of votes and fishes
And suddenly the personal data files opened and there were many more votes, thousands and thousands of them, coincidentally from the largest conservative county in the state. Also coincidentally just enough votes for the good Justice to preclude a recount. Smells very fishy!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 01:01 PM
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146. They'll never find the fraud, if there actually was fraud.
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 01:04 PM by Zorra
There is a slim chance that this was not fraud.

It is possible that this whole scenario was orchestrated for another purpose. Somebody might have even been so shallow and stupid that they wanted to get a 15 minutes of fame and become a RW hero. Or stupidly figured that that she/they could stymie the resolve of labor and progressives in fighting for their rights. etc.

In any case, it remains a fact that until we have a completely transparent standardized national voting process free of electronic devices, wealthy private interests will use their coin to find "virtually" untraceable ways to manipulate vote counts to suit their needs.

Please don't shoot the messenger here, but it will be a huge waste of time and money to try to find the fraud, except that it needs to be done solely on principle.

Waukesha County government is hard core right wing. Wisconsin state government is owned by wealthy private right wing interests. The Wisconsin Supreme Court is owned by wealthy private right wing interests.

Therefore, the legal obstructions alone that will be presented by the wealthy private interests that are invested in controlling the judiciary will be formidable if not insurmountable.

The bottom line is, whoever designed the system by which this (probable) fraud was perpetrated already figured out all the angles.

The only way they could possibly get caught is if a primary election official in Waukesha or an accomplice involved in the chain of custody 'fesses up, and the wealthy private interests that control the legislature and judiciary will never let them get within a 100 miles of an impartial prosecutor.

Scott Walker woke up the sleeping giant. Waukesha County just spit in the giant's face.

They have one totally pissed off, fully awake giant on their hands now, and now the giant is going crush them.
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marasinghe Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 01:15 AM
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152. somewhat on a tangent -
i come from a country which has a GNP that's pocket change to bill gates; but even in such a poor country, if there were problems with an election, instead of bullshit recounts & lawsuits, they simply re-held the election in any particular town, village, or locality, which had doubtful results.

maybe this is too simple; but, WTF is so sacred with the system here, that we can't do the rational thing & have fresh elections in doubtful circumstances?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 01:29 AM
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153. Only way the right can win is via stolen elections --
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