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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:46 PM
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Feds to Congress: Donít Saddle 4th Amendment on Us
Source: Wired News

By David Kravets
April 7, 2011 4:06 pm

The Obama administration is urging Congress not to adopt legislation that would impose constitutional safeguards on Americansí e-mail stored in the cloud.

As the law stands now, the authorities may obtain cloud e-mail without a warrant if it is older than 180 days, thanks to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act adopted in 1986. At that time, e-mail left on a third-party server for six months was considered to be abandoned, and thus enjoyed less privacy protections. However, the law demands warrants for the authorities to seize e-mail from a personís hard drive.

A collection of internet service providers and other groups known as the ďDigital Due ProcessĒ coalition have lobbied for an update to the law to treat both cloud and home-stored e-mail the same, and thus require a probable-cause warrant for access. The Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on that topic Tuesday.

The companies, including Google, AOL, AT&T, maintain that the law should be changed to reflect that consumers increasingly access their e-mail on servers, instead of downloading it to their hard drives, as a matter of course. But the Obama administration testified that imposing constitutional safeguards on e-mail stored in the cloud would be an unnecessary burden on the government. Probable-cause warrants would only get in the governmentís way.

Read more: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/fourth-amendme... /
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:57 PM
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1. Remind me again exactly which party is in power?
Probable-cause warrants would only get in the governmentís way.

Damn that pesky probable cause.

To answer my own question: It's neither the Republicans nor the Democrats who are in power. Call it the corporatists, the fascists, the whateverists ... it's something that transcends political parties. And it's un-American.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:15 PM
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2. And yet, we STILL are encouraged to stick to the "2 party" system.
Hmmmmmm
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:39 PM
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3. Makes ya wonder
doesn't it?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:45 PM
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4. Actually, no. I stop "wondering" some time ago.
But I am happy to see a LOT of folks around here are wondering..it's a good start.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:49 PM
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5. Agreed but,
some are wondering and many are simply vehemently toting the (He's great or at least the lesser of two evils) party line and those are the ones that cause me to worry.

:hi:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:46 PM
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7. You ever hear the story of the crab pot?
Long time ago, when my kids were small, I took them out onto the pier, and we watched people fishing and people even catching crabs.
One "old" guy was putting his crabs into a big round basket, and it had no lid.
One of my sons ( he was about 5 then ) watched the crabs for a minute and then said
"Hey , mister, you don't have a lid, the crabs are trying to crawl out".
The old man came over and told him, in a very nice way:" Don't need a lid. Watch.
Whenever one of the crabs starts to get close to the top, the other crabs grab hold of him and pull him down".

We watched.
Sure enuff......
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 07:59 AM
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9. Every attempt to push a 3rd party ends up helping
the other end of the spectrum.

But yes, I vote "Democratic" when I'd rather vote "Liberal"
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:50 PM
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8. It is ugly is what it is.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:51 PM
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6. Its such a burden for government to adhere to law and the constitution!
TOUGH SHIT!
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:03 AM
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10. More "Patriot Act" pieces from our President's minions
Hate to be burdened by "due process" or anything tedious like that.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 12:00 PM
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11. One set of "laws" for the wealthy and well-connected...
...and another set for the rest of us.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely - regardless of "party".
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