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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:49 PM
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Murray lawyer: Jackson killed himself
Source: UPI

LOS ANGELES, April 7 (UPI) -- Dr. Conrad Murray's defense lawyer says Michael Jackson was overwhelmed with financial problems when he administered a fatal dose of anesthesia to himself.

Murray is awaiting trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge in the 50-year-old pop star's 2009 death.

An autopsy found lethal levels of the anesthesia propofol and sedatives in Jackson's system.

Murray, a cardiologist, is accused of administering the drugs in the singer's home.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/Music/2011/04/07/... /
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:52 PM
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1. bullsh*t
No he did not kill himself and he was far from being broke. He still owned a huge chunk of Northern Songs (the Beatles catalog) when he died and that is worth lots and lots and lots of money.

Also, why would a man with three young children kill himself? It makes NO sense!

Furthermore Dr. Murray, how does one administer propofol to themself? It isn't possible you damn liar!

YOU are the one that killed MJ Dr.Murray!

I hope you rot in jail where you belong you murderer!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:15 PM
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18. Not to mention, he had an entire tour coming up which was selling like hotcakes.
If this is their best defense, I have the feeling that Dr. Murray is going to prison for a long, long time.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:27 PM
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19. the "entire tour" was 3 or 4 shows at a single location
and it was billed as Jackson's *final* performance.

Not outside the realm of possibility that the man had some money problems.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:37 PM
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20. It was planned as 50 shows, actually.
It started out as 10 shows, then after they had more than a million people attempt to buy pre-sale tickets, they expanded it up to 50 dates. All 50 shows had sold out within a total of 48 hours. Just the first ten were supposed to be worth an estimated $80 million to Jackson; if the rest held steady at that, the tour would have been worth $400 million.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:46 PM
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22. Not deliberate suicide, but an accidental OD--it's a pretty good defense, with backup.

"Defense lawyers never used the word suicide and implied his death was accidental but self-inflicted. They seemed poised to argue that Jackson was about to embark on an extremely strenuous concert tour because it was the only way to save himself financially.

They are likely to suggest that was why Jackson was so desperate for sleep as he was preparing for the tour. At a preliminary hearing for Murray. Jackson was quoted by a witness as saying if he didn't sleep he would have to cancel the tour."

http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-jackson-committed...
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:22 PM
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26. It only has value if it's on the market.
Why would thousands of parents with children top themselves every year? Why do a large proportion of those thousands take the lives of their children as well? Batshit craziness.

How does one administer an intravenous drug to onself? Well I guess a person could pay a doctor to set up the equipment and then when he's out of the room, fiddle with the flow rate, or having watched the procedure a few hundred times add a little extra something via the drip port. Even self administration from scratch isn't THAT difficult.

The doctor is definitely guilty of a lot of things, but I strongly doubt murder is one of them. A doctor who wanted to murder their employer would probably not choose a weapon that could only have been held in his own hands. (He obtained the Propofol.) He has far too many other choices in his Gladstone bag which would give him a lot more distance and deniability than something like Propofol.

One thing he is definitely guilty of is the same thing pretty much everyone else (including fanbois/gurls) surrounding was guilty of, letting Micheal "get away with murder" in the figurative sense:

Michael's actions over the years were highly questionable to say the least. To put it bluntly he was (like most high profile entertainers) an attention seeking whore: Veiling his children did little or nothing to protect them from the paparazi. The veils absolutely guaranteed that the paparazi would surround HIM in an attempt to pierce those veils. Dandling a baby off a hotel balcony FFS. The bizzare ways in which his children were conceived. His skin bleaching and the many morphological changes which WERE NOT cosmetic surgery. The circumstances (and I will allow total childish naievity and innocence on MJ's part here (+total stupidity as well)) surrounding other people's children in his home.

EVERYTHING comes back to centering attention on Michael. Now while I personally don't have any time for Hollywood style image and perception management, I understand what it's about and acknowledge that it has its place in immoderate moderation. However, Michael's behaviour was nothing short of pathological. Just as Charlie Sheen's is becoming today.


And ultimately it all comes back to us, as a society, allowing Michael and his like, to get away with behaviour we flat out would not tollerate (overlook through indifference being a different thing entirely) in anyone else.

Murray could be pure "Hi everybody, I'm Doctor Nick." and it would not change the fact that Michael very strongly contributed to his own death, and that his fans gleefully helped him along.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:52 PM
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2. How repulsive
and it certainly does not seem believable. Where did Jackson get the drugs from and why did Murray just happen to be there?
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BarbaRosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:58 PM
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3. This is where the Jon Lovitz voice in my mind kicks in
Yeah that's the ticket, that's the way it was, he he, he killed himself, yeah that's right . . .
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:59 PM
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4. I think that tactic is going to backfire big time...
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:59 PM by hlthe2b
If I were on the jury or the judge, assuming that there was a really clear case against the cardiologist, I'd remember this clearly when it came to sentencing.

Obscene.
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forty6 Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:58 PM
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11. I agree, they jury will not be kind to the ugly money-grubbing ..
doctor, who should have had some ethics to go along with his medical degree.

Drugs such as that should NEVER be used outside a clinical setting such as a hospital or day-surgery center.

Plain and simple.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:59 PM
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14. Apparently $150,000 per month as MJs personal physician caused Murray to lose all Integrity, that's
if he ever had any to begin with. Murray was nothing less than a drug pusher with an MD license. Jackson often paid large sums of money to "get what he wanted", when he wanted it. Murray should have declined the offer, but "MONEY" rules the day in this country and Murray needed lots because he was in trouble financially. So Murray threw his Hippocratic oath in the trash, tried to cash in, and unfortunately, killed Michael Jackson.
Lou
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:03 PM
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5. and furthermore ....
Why were you seen leaving the premises with tanks of oxygen after MJ was dead Dr. Murray? That is because YOU Dr. Murray are the one that administered a lethal amount of this dangerous drug to MJ. Frankly, Dr. Murray, being you were hired by the company that was running the shows to take place, I wouldn't be surprised if YOU Dr. Murray are that one that finished MJ off. YOU LIE you SOB! :argh: :mad:

RIP MJ!
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:03 PM
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6. There wasn't any witnesses, right?
So there's might actually plenty of room for his lawyers to create reasonable doubt, no?
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:13 PM
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7. there were plenty of witnessess
#1 was Dr. Murray himself (murderer!)
#2 was MJ's son Prince Michael Jackson
#3 was MJ's daughter Paris was there as well
#4 there was another person there as well that is the one that placed the 911 call!
#5 the final witness was the victim, Michael Jackson!

No witnesses? Huh?

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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:56 PM
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25. Ah, I didn't know that, I remember hearing his kids were there, but I though that's it.
Even then, there's still some room for manipulation, but hopefully the jury will see past the BS.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:29 PM
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8. MJ was a ticking time bomb
IMO If not Dr. Murry then another doctor. MJ had money to buy anything he wanted. MJ wanted those drugs, I would say he finally got what he wanted. He knew the dangers.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:58 PM
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10. i agree.. n/t.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:14 PM
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17. That is the fact I'm afraid, MJ dictated his life this way, if he couldn't get something here, he'd
simply pay the person who was willing, over there. People get all weird when they get around famous people. All of a sudden they forget rules apply, unreasonable requests suddenly become normal and if you want to stay in good and continue to get your pay, you generally do what you are told, even if you know it might be wrong or illegal in some cases. Michael Jackson needed help, but he paid enforcers to keep out those who wanted to help because he was so sick, he didn't think he needed any help, and didn't want any help. He dictated his final orders to Murray and the paid flunky pusher "Dr.", did what he was told, but did not do the proper monitoring of a drug that should never be used outside hospital surgery, and Michael Jackson went to sleep forever.
Lou
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:54 PM
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24. I don't think he thought of the danger
This is just about the same thing that happened with Heath Ledger, only MJ had a doctor on hand. Both of these men had problems sleeping. While Ledger's may have been just for the movie he was in, MJ had serious problems with sleep. I'm sure MJ thought that he covered his bases by having a doctor near by.

I don't know if you've ever had sleep problems, but it can and will make you desperate to get to sleep. You will actually go a little crazy for want of sleep. And, I can only imagine how it was for these creative people. I know when I start thinking about a project, I could stay up 36 hours at a time easily, and I am not in their league. They had people, groups of people, who depended on them to be there the next day. They couldn't stay up for 36 hours, crash and then do it all over again over the next few weeks. It seems both of them needed to shut their mind off and couldn't. Both found ways to do it. Unfortunately, neither of them woke up.

zalinda
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:53 PM
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9. I'll just stay awake long enough
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 01:54 PM by rocktivity
to point out that since his client supplied Jackson with the drugs, Dr. Murray is accessory, at the very least...

:boring:
rocktivity
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:15 PM
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12. But if the Cheney asssassination team hired Murray, he will get off based on lies. Watch your rage
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:45 PM
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13. Oh, puh-leez. I'll buy accidental OD, even self-administered, but suicide? Bull.
I don't know jack about Jackson really, but the overall impression I've gotten, and I have paid attention, is that he was a very low suicide risk, even if he thought about it in moments of despair (no evidence but it was a tough life and not unimaginable). He hadn't put affairs in order, he was on the cusp of a major project, he obviously cared deeply (if weirdly) about his children, and he thought of himself as a consummate and perfectionistic professional. To have abandoned the project he was embarking on and leave all those young dancers and singers in the lurch was just not consistent with everything people said about him.

The claim is so dumb I'm surprised they're making it rather than saying he was narcissistic and thought he was impervious to the effects of a very powerful drug and was too anxious to sleep so withheld from his doctor the extent of what he was taking or had in his system.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:53 PM
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23. The defense is saying it was self-admin, accidental never used the word 'suicide.'
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:01 PM
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15. MJ killed himself ... Uh HUH!
Like he'd want these lovely children to be on their own?



:dem: :kick:

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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:13 PM
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16. Didn't Elvis's doctor get off by claiming he was treating his constipation only?
Not surprised by this tactic.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:43 PM
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21. It's a tenable defense. BTW, the defense is saying it was accidental, not deliberate.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 03:43 PM by msanthrope
"Defense lawyers never used the word suicide and implied his death was accidental but self-inflicted. They seemed poised to argue that Jackson was about to embark on an extremely strenuous concert tour because it was the only way to save himself financially.

They are likely to suggest that was why Jackson was so desperate for sleep as he was preparing for the tour. At a preliminary hearing for Murray. Jackson was quoted by a witness as saying if he didn't sleep he would have to cancel the tour."

http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-jackson-committed...
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