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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:26 AM
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McDonald's wants to fill 50,000 jobs on hiring day
Source: AP

Posted: 11:21 AM

McDonald's Corp. plans to hold its first national hiring day April 19 to fill 50,000 openings at its restaurants nationwide.

The company says it is making a concerted effort to add staff as its business improves and as more of its restaurants stay open 24 hours a day.

The company's hiring goal translates to between three and four new hires per restaurant.

McDonald's says turnover slowed because of the weak economy. The company sees an opportunity to attract employees in a tough job market.

Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/business_news/mcdonal...



The new jobs of today....
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:28 AM
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1. We're winning the future!
Yeesh!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:30 AM
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2. Fantastic! Now I can feed, house, and and health insure my family of four...
...hamsters.


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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:49 AM
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116. Have you seen a Vet's bill lately?
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Rabblevox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:33 AM
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3. The sad thing is that I'm getting desperate enough to consider fast-food jobs. n/t
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:35 AM
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4. Pathetic
Le gustara papas fritas con eso?

Souhaitez-vous des frites avec a?

Mchten Sie Pommes dazu?

Gusto mo ba na may fries na?

你想與該薯條?

Would you like fries with that?

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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:58 AM
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10. Nicely stated, well done. LOL...
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:05 PM
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55. Muchas gracias!
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:25 PM
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59. S, mi hermana.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:44 AM
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100. whatta combination: poor education, high fat+low nutrition food, status quo energy policy = jobs
Edited on Tue Apr-05-11 08:46 AM by wordpix
in America :banghead:
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:49 PM
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107. Why all this negativity?
McDonald's is no one's idea of a dream job, but at least you can answer "Yes" to the question "Are you currently employed?" when looking for a better job. There are a LOT of employers out there who won't consider hiring an unemployed person, no matter what the reason. And yes, I agree that absolutely sucks!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 03:34 PM
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109. More like outrage
Many of us feel McDonalds is using this opportunity the shamlessly promote itself as good corporate citizen. I agree they're perfect for students or retirees or people with short-term employement needs, just as they always have been. But don't tell me this is an alternative for the thousands of good paying jobs that have been offshored.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:38 AM
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5. Wow! A Job at MacDonald's!!!
Now that's what I call signs of a robust recovery.

Let's see ... you had a union job installing plumbing in new houses that had benefits and a good salary -- and now you get a minimum wage job working from 10PM to 6:30AM in the MacDonald's kitchen.

But it might just make that unemployment number go down a tenth of a percent -- Go Recovery!




:sarcasm:
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:15 PM
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13. A plumber working in MD's?
Why would a plumber work in a McDonalds' kitchen besides fixing a broken pipet? I think your example, although with good intentions, do not fit well. Plumbers at least have a choice to create their own business. Other people with no skills would be fools not to grab any job available just to be part of the workforce and benefit from the experience.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:09 PM
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33. Maybe naive.
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 01:24 PM by Lost-in-FL
But not afraid to be proved wrong. I just don't let myself be consumed by negativity and go apeshit over 50,000 jobs that looking at the amounts of McDs around my neighborhood, it represents nothing. 50,000 jobs is nothing but only a good marketing ploy, like Walmart wanting to go green. Tell me who is naive, me or those falling for McDs campaign?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:34 PM
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75. for a lot of people a job, even a job at McDonald's, isn't nothing
Nice that you have the luxury to look down at those people.

Would you prefer that McDonald's laid off 50,000 people? Would that be a good thing?
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:14 AM
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81. I know you are not responding to me...
Edited on Tue Apr-05-11 01:22 AM by Lost-in-FL
cause I am saying exactly the opposite. Please explain how am I looking down at "those" people or... is it only that you want to be a contrarian?

"Nothing" meaning to McDonalds HQs 50,000 jobs is insignificant... get it?? ... NOT to the people. Any job is important.

Do you need a drawing?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:50 AM
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83. A McJob IS nothing
Edited on Tue Apr-05-11 01:50 AM by ProudDad
it sure as hell ain't enough to live on...

And that's a pretty good working definition of nothing...
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 05:56 AM
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89. some people work two jobs to have enough to live on.
Wish that weren't so, but its the way it is and the fact that some of them will have an opportunity to get a job that might help them meet ends is hardly a bad thing.

I'll ask it once again: If McDonald's announced it was laying off 50,000 people would you think that was a good thing?
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:16 PM
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15. I don't think there was a mass lay off of plumbers
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:52 PM
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57. The housing industry collapsed.
Many, many carpenters, roofers, framers, plumbers, electricians, etc., were let go by the house construction industry since 2008.
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:10 PM
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34. Stop the snobby attitudes! To some people I know...

...that have been hit hard by BUSH's recession, a McDonald's job unfortunately means EVERYTHING. I know some folks who have been unemployed for nearly a year. A McDonald's job is not a career, but a start.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:42 PM
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51. That's NOT waht they mean. They mean WTF is wrong with better paying jobs?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:36 PM
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76. I haven't seen anyone criticizing better paying jobs
I have seen criticism of McDonalds for giving 50,000 people jobs that the critics think are beneath them.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:40 PM
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63. They are just like everyone else... No better or worse, despite anyone who disparages them in media.
The anger comes from this hiring blitz being touted as if it is proof that we are creating living wage jobs in this economy. We're not.

And I'll bet McDonalds's owners all vote for the GOP. That's what get people so angry. It feels like we're being thrown crumbs and they are telling us to be grateful.

There may be snobbery, but hopefully the ridicule is towards McDonald's, not the people who can't get a better job for a while or several years. Anything is better than starving or going homeless.

I'm sorry if you feel offended for anyone you know. I see nice people working at fast food places, smart as anyone, but I won't eat at McDonald's. Heck, I can't afford it even if I wanted to go there.

And there are some true advantages to working in grocery stores, produce departments, restaurants and the like for those who can handle lifting the weight and the erratic schedules. Food is given to the employees at some places to make up for the wages.

I also know doctors, university professors, people with Ph.D's who are working at nursing home jobs, not in administration either. No, right there with the patients. They also have to work more than one minimum wage job, anything they can get.

And yet Orange Boehner and the RW pundits say that they are lazy and don't want a job. And they will tout this news blurb as a proof that manufacturing jobs are here, just like Bush did.

That's the anger, right there.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:18 PM
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68. McDonalds jobs are shit.
The problem is people are willing to settle for them, rather than reminding the goddamn government that their role is to fix the economy.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:37 PM
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77. I guess no one worked at McDonald's when the economy was strong, eh?
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:01 AM
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94. Exactly provis99, If working at McDonalds is the best job ever, then why do they call
low wage sucky jobs McJobs?

And I know of not one single person who would turn down a better paying job because they love their McDonald job soooooo much.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:51 AM
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84. A start to WHAT?`
It ain't a living...

It doesn't lead to a living wage...

What the hell is it a start to?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 05:57 AM
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90. For some people I've known over the years, it was a start to paying for their education
It allowed them to earn some money to cover expenses while they were in school.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:44 AM
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6. sigh. nt
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:44 AM
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7. Not a great job or great food but it is much better than ....
.... no job at all. Nobody says you have to stay @ McD's forever but
it is easier to get another job when you already have one.
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pip Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:51 AM
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8. #7...
You talk good sense. People usually work at the highest paying job they are able to get--thus, the only other choice would be one that pays less, or no job at all. :thumbsup:
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 11:54 AM
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9. Only people with a safe job would criticize a company for creating jobs.
Better this job than non at all.
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jennied Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:04 PM
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12. Exactly. Who cares if its McDonalds.
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:31 PM
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60. Wrong, unemployed for 10 months. My personal take.
For what it is worth I forgot all my moral opposition to McD's, I swallowed my pride of having a BA, MA, and PhD in political science, and the I let go of the fact I worked for over 10 years in national climate change and clean air act related policy issues (and thus, yeah McD's is a major step down) and I applied at McDonald's in Albuquerque, New Mexico a few weeks ago. ABQ is my home for the past 10 years and b/c my wife has a decent job (poor pay but good experience) and is in graduate school @ night (MSW) we can't really relocate.

I was offered a job. 30 hours a week at $9.50 an hour. No management positions available, from what I've learned they don't pay much more.

Currently I get $1,230 a month via unemployment (taxes taken out). Also while on unemployment my $650 student loan payment is deferred due to economic hardship (no payment, no interest gained).

If I was to take the job at McDonald's I'd make less money than my unemployment (take home) and have to begin making payments on my student loans again (add to $650 to current expenses). This is in addition to my $1,000 a month mortgage, bills, and supporting my wife and family. Luckily my wife still has a job while being in graduate school full-time and thus we can pay each utility bill and mortgage each month, but that is it. We are lucky, I have a grandma who helps us buy groceries and helps us when our car breaks down by paying those unexpected bills.

Please understand any job is NOT better, at least for me......by just doing the numbers I realized I have to have an income of over $2,000 to stay out of bankruptcy (due to paying back student loans and paying all current bills). McDonald's can't pay that, at least not in New Mexico, not when they are many more who can work for $8 an hour (kids, retired, 2nd income, etc). This income need is based on my family living a very simple life - ie: 1000 sq foot home, two cars that are both over 15 years old (but we own them), no vacations, no luxury, or going out to eat, etc.
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sweetapogee Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:40 AM
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113. you should
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 07:41 AM by sweetapogee
apply for a position in the government that pays better wages and offers a retirement package. If you need help with your resume there are web pages with helpful information available for you to use or you can go to your local library for assistance.

Call your local US Congressperson or State Representative. Tell Him/Her that you need to pay your university loan back pronto and that employment is your need.
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jennied Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:03 PM
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11. At least they want to fill jobs. A job is better than no job at all.
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:32 PM
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61. Wrong my experience (unemployed for 10 months now)
For what it is worth I forgot all my moral opposition to McD's, I swallowed my pride of having a BA, MA, and PhD in political science, and the I let go of the fact I worked for over 10 years in national climate change and clean air act related policy issues (and thus, yeah McD's is a major step down) and I applied at McDonald's in Albuquerque, New Mexico a few weeks ago. ABQ is my home for the past 10 years and b/c my wife has a decent job (poor pay but good experience) and is in graduate school @ night (MSW) we can't really relocate.

I was offered a job. 30 hours a week at $9.50 an hour. No management positions available, from what I've learned they don't pay much more.

Currently I get $1,230 a month via unemployment (taxes taken out). Also while on unemployment my $650 student loan payment is deferred due to economic hardship (no payment, no interest gained).

If I was to take the job at McDonald's I'd make less money than my unemployment (take home) and have to begin making payments on my student loans again (add to $650 to current expenses). This is in addition to my $1,000 a month mortgage, bills, and supporting my wife and family. Luckily my wife still has a job while being in graduate school full-time and thus we can pay each utility bill and mortgage each month, but that is it. We are lucky, I have a grandma who helps us buy groceries and helps us when our car breaks down by paying those unexpected bills.

Please understand any job is NOT better, at least for me......by just doing the numbers I realized I have to have an income of over $2,000 to stay out of bankruptcy (due to paying back student loans and paying all current bills). McDonald's can't pay that, at least not in New Mexico, not when they are many more who can work for $8 an hour (kids, retired, 2nd income, etc). This income need is based on my family living a very simple life - ie: 1000 sq foot home, two cars that are both over 15 years old (but we own them), no vacations, no luxury, or going out to eat, etc.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:16 PM
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14. McJob > No Job.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:00 PM
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30. McJob = No Job.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:58 PM
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46. Empirically false
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:33 PM
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62. My experience 10 months unemployed and this is what McD's offered me....
For what it is worth I forgot all my moral opposition to McD's, I swallowed my pride of having a BA, MA, and PhD in political science, and the I let go of the fact I worked for over 10 years in national climate change and clean air act related policy issues (and thus, yeah McD's is a major step down) and I applied at McDonald's in Albuquerque, New Mexico a few weeks ago. ABQ is my home for the past 10 years and b/c my wife has a decent job (poor pay but good experience) and is in graduate school @ night (MSW) we can't really relocate.

I was offered a job. 30 hours a week at $9.50 an hour. No management positions available, from what I've learned they don't pay much more.

Currently I get $1,230 a month via unemployment (taxes taken out). Also while on unemployment my $650 student loan payment is deferred due to economic hardship (no payment, no interest gained).

If I was to take the job at McDonald's I'd make less money than my unemployment (take home) and have to begin making payments on my student loans again (add to $650 to current expenses). This is in addition to my $1,000 a month mortgage, bills, and supporting my wife and family. Luckily my wife still has a job while being in graduate school full-time and thus we can pay each utility bill and mortgage each month, but that is it. We are lucky, I have a grandma who helps us buy groceries and helps us when our car breaks down by paying those unexpected bills.

Please understand any job is NOT better, at least for me......by just doing the numbers I realized I have to have an income of over $2,000 to stay out of bankruptcy (due to paying back student loans and paying all current bills). McDonald's can't pay that, at least not in New Mexico, not when they are many more who can work for $8 an hour (kids, retired, 2nd income, etc). This income need is based on my family living a very simple life - ie: 1000 sq foot home, two cars that are both over 15 years old (but we own them), no vacations, no luxury, or going out to eat, etc.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:44 PM
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78. for you its not a good choice, but you admit it can be good choice for others
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:55 AM
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86. No...
They deal dangerously bad nutrition-less, addictive "McFood"...

And pay SHIT...

It's not a good choice for anyone who's not a sociopath...
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 05:58 AM
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91. So if McDonald's laid off 50,000 people tomorrow you'd call for a celebration?
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #78
97. Yes for college students, 2nd jobs, and retired people $9/hr & 30 hrs a weeks is great.....
and if you'd like to call this good for the economy you have every right to feel that way. Personally I know very few who can survive off of $1,000 a month.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:37 AM
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98. Unemployment insurance isn't forever
Edited on Tue Apr-05-11 08:38 AM by WatsonT
Also at 30 hours a week you could easily work another job.

Also not everyone has student loans.

Proving that Job X doesn't work well for Person Y doesn't prove that Job X is useless for everyone.

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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 09:10 AM
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102. You seem to love to put a lot of assumptions in my mouth
I never said a job at McD's wasn't ideal for someone.....of course it is. I tend not live in the world of absolutes like so many on D-U and in the world.

What I did was explain how a job at McD's really pans out, from my personal experience. Many on this site are saying "any job is better than no job", I wanted to provide my experience which counters such a flippant claim.


As for you comments, unemployment insurance has lasted 2 years and longer for folks in New Mexico and other states. I know this for a fact based on people I know personally on unemployment in NM. Thus I still have at least 14 months left.

Yes, 30 hours a week could allow me to find another 30 hour a week job, but then that posses lots of problems in addressing having time to find what I'd consider an actual professional career position. Call what you want but working 60 hours a week (2 part time jobs) at less than $10/hr is not what I signed up for. You are right not everyone has student loans, but a lot of people have kids (my wife and I don't at this time), my loans probably are close to a kids monthly expenses. A lot of people have mortgages well over mine ($1,000), a lot more people have credit card debt, we do not. A lot of people have car payments, we do not. In the end I feel my expenses average out to a "average middle class American"...we may pay for different things (student loans, car payment, credit card debt) but I suspect my bills are close to what others pay monthly.

I think there are many personal stories on this thread (including mine) that demonstrate that this "great news" is not so great at all.

I don't deny McDonald's can work for some as a livable wage but then again I don't think it is as many as folks want to believe it is.

thanks.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 11:00 AM
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105. working > not working
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sweetapogee Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:19 AM
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114. I just
got down off my high horse and accepted a pt position to supplement by full time job. This pt position pays $12.50 per hour and I can schedule up to 24 hours per week without any problem but this will mean that I'm working a total of 74 hours per week. The position has the advantage of being inside and sitting at a desk and is a support to my passion for the Fire Service and EMS.

The thing is I want to go back to university and get my masters finally and I don't want to use household funds for that expense. Like everyone else I have a mortgage and car expenses.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:41 PM
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64. I imagine the poor and the hungry have
I imagine the poor and the hungry have little time for empiricism...
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:39 AM
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99. Empiricism is merely
knowledge that comes from observed fact.

That is precisely what the poor have time for.

They can easily see that even a McJob offers more than zero dollars.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 06:11 PM
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110. I imagine the poor and hungry are better suited
I imagine the poor and hungry are better suited to predicating for themselves what they may or may not have time for. But, I also imagine you believe yourself to know what the poor and hungry precisely have time for...
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:56 AM
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117. Indeed, and they are lining up to take these McJobs that our better off peers
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 08:56 AM by WatsonT
are scoffing at.

Someone with a job: McJobs are no job! These things should be outlawed, they are beneath us.
Someone without a job: hey hold on a second, I want that job.
Someone with a job: yeah, you really don't know what's best for you, these jobs are beneath you and you shouldn't take them.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:18 PM
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16. No complaints here.
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 12:19 PM by Akoto
There is nothing shameful about working at McDonald's, and I'll bet those fifty thousand people will be damn grateful for the opportunity.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:12 AM
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95. My husband use to work for McDonald as a manger. He hated every minute of it.
McJobs are underpaid, no benefits, no concern for the employee.


You know what your boss is telling you when he pays you minimum wage? He would pay you less if the laws allowed.
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sweetapogee Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:22 AM
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115. strange
both of my kids work at the McDonalds in our town. My son, age 20 has been there pt for 4 years, my daughter age 17, 1 year. They love their jobs (really) but then again they are pt and kids in school.
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redixdoragon Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:20 PM
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17. Did McDonalds hire some roboposters?
Better than no job at all?
At least it's a job?

What the heck? This is worse than we've had it before, why are we settling for scraps? It's impossible to make enough from a McDonalds job at the store level to pay all one's living expenses. You MUST room up with at least three or four people to make it work just enough, and even then you're going to be short on money for your needs at times.

We need to demand better, both better jobs and even better pay for the fast food employee! Lets not take "close enough" or "just enough." or "at least it's a job of some kind" anymore, lets demand better.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:28 PM
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19. I agree with what you say, however, in order to demand for better income...
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 12:29 PM by Lost-in-FL
and benefits, one need to be part of the workforce. In this case, becoming an employee of McDonalds can open the door for dialog on better working conditions. Maybe I am being naive.
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redixdoragon Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:38 PM
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21. That's unfortunatly another sick part of our society
You need to have a job in order to begin to demand something better, so we all think.

This basically makes the poor and homeless without jobs into people without rights. It took a lot of homeless, poor and angry people who wanted better, and wanted jobs with good pay, as well as FDR, to change the situation of the Great Depression. We need to adtopt the sentiments of those people from that time that is starting to frighteningly resemble our own.

A McDonald's job is a trap, not an open door. You'll get stories of the guy who started in the resteraunt and moved up eventually to regional manager, but that is ONE guy. One guy moved up, while hundreds or even a thousand in his own region are still working for about $7.00 an hour, if they're fortunate.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:02 PM
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31. Unfortunately, things are going to have to get that bad...
before something is done about fair job practices. I do know that much. I just don't agree with discouraging those that are desperate enough to try to find a job even at McDonalds. When I say better this job than no job it is because of the personal toll that depression can have in someone that used to be employed and is now unemployed. I am in a right to work state and know firsthand what happens to families that work 3 low paying jobs to feed a family and how this affects the overall standing of a state (high crime, poverty and bad education).
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redixdoragon Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:08 PM
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32. I know people are desperate
And we can't stop others from taking the jobs but I'm afraid we're only going to reinforce the sentiments among CEO's and other executives that we WILL settle for table scraps. That in our desperation we can be pushed however they like and we'll take it, because we need about $7 an hour that deperatly.

If we don't march, fight this, do something, then all end up doing is sinking ourselve further into this third world state we're putting ourselves into, because we were ready to settle for the scraps.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:22 PM
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35. The "Shock Doctrine" is here to stay...
because the US is running short of countries to exploit. It is everywhere, even in healthcare. Healthcare pays well, but they are notorious understaffing to keep the profits up. People knows this but with all the work to do, people just want to spend the little time they have left to be with family. No one talks about it but you can tell people would do anything to keep their job.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:18 PM
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:18 PM
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74. Thank you for your concern. nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:53 AM
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85. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
A bunch of out of work Egyptians proved that that's bullshit...

It will take a revolt, a mass withdrawal of our permission to the corporate assholes to steal most of the resources for their own fat asses and drip fucking crumbs down on us...

You are VERY, dangerously naive...
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:38 PM
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22. "Did McDonald's hire some roboposters?"
I was wondering that myself. Well, I guess a crap job is better than no job at all.

Lest we forget...McDonald's is a very large corporation - throwing out scraps to the poor and bragging about it.
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redixdoragon Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:40 PM
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23. Table scraps, nothing more n/t
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:46 PM
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26. Exactly...table scraps (good one, I like that)
50,000 jobs working in their restaurants? So, where are the higher paying jobs in their corporate headquarters?
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:26 PM
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38. Yes!
Because staying home being a slacktivist will get you a corporate headquarter job.
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vduhr Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 06:34 PM
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111. I'm sorry?
Are you saying that people who have been laid-off and out of work by no fault of their own are "slactivists"? Hmmm....seems I've heard that kind of talk before. Are you sure you're in the right place here?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:56 AM
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87. They don't have to hire roboposters...
Edited on Tue Apr-05-11 01:56 AM by ProudDad
So many USAmericans are so well programmed by their capitalist masters that they do it for free...
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Red Knight Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 07:14 AM
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92. My wife makes over $30,000 a year as a salary manager
and it has helped to raise two kids who are now both in college.

We NEED that job.

And yes--she started out as just a lowly hourly worker but took advantage of her opportunity.

No--it isn't an engineers salary but she isn't an engineer.

The choice is not Mcdonald's jobs OR good jobs. The economy is connected. If we add even low paying jobs vs. no jobs it will help those with skills who build things or make things because there will be more customers. Often teens get these jobs as first jobs--and where are they supposed to go in an economy where everyone is forced to work until they drop? Much of their income is free flowing---it gets into the economy.

I can't look at this as anything but good news.

Better news would be higher wage manufacturing jobs---but Mcdonald's isn't preventing that. Your watching the shiny object and being distracted by people like Steve Jobs who builds those nice IPads cheaply overseas. Don't blame Mcdonalds for that. Blame him, or GE, or companies that make things--somewhere else--cheap.

Yes-Mcdonald's is cheap--but you'd have a pretty warped view of reality to think that those are useless jobs and better abandoned.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:22 PM
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18. Put those college degrees to work kids!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:47 PM
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79. So only jobs for college graduates count?
I guess those folks without college degrees, or older retirees should just hope for handouts from the folks with college degrees rather than take a job at McDonalds?

Yes it would be good if there were more higher end jobs being created (although reports are that the tech industry is beginning to gain strength). But the fact that growth in that segment of the employment market doesn't mean that its bad that McDonalds is creating jobs.

As I asked before, would anyone be applauding if McDonald's announced it was laying off 50,000 people?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:57 AM
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88. I think progressoid was being sarcastic...
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:30 PM
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20. Ahem...
Contrary to what many posters (cheerleaders?) are saying, no job is indeed better than a job at McDonald's. I would rather make a sign and stand on a street corner begging than work in that environment.

Good news for teenagers, I guess. What's sad to me is that some people think this is a sign of recovery. :(
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:49 PM
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27. It is not a sign of recovery that McDs is hiring but the contrary.
During the great depression Funeral Homes were making it big.

I have not heard of McDs getting any financial assistance from the government like the banking sector did. The unintended consequences of the bad economy caused the profits and now they have to hire people. What is wrong with that?

I have not heard of anyone finding a great paying job by standing in a corner begging for work, at least not yet. However, a young person with no kids, living with mom and dad, can lessen the financial burden specially if their parents are unemployed. I understand the social implications of working for a company like McDonalds. I don't shop Walmart or McD's but I do know people who benefit from working there and I don't ostracize those who work there. I don't buy from Chick-fil-a either for their financing of anti-gay causes but I don't condemn those that need a job.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:34 PM
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40. You misunderstand me.
I worked in the fast food environment as a teenager, in two different places, for a total of three days. I would rather go to jail than go back to work at a fast food place. The sounds, the smell of my hair after 6 hours on a burger line, the obnoxious customers - no thank you. Keep your Mcjob.

I also worked at a Richway (like a Target), and while that job also sucked, it sucked a lot less than fast food hell.

I admit that saying I would rather beg in the street than work at McDonald's wasn't true. What I should have said is that I would rather dive off the steel bridge than work at McDonald's.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:40 PM
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41. BTW... love your signature.
I am going to have to borrow it.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:46 PM
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66. I already snagged it a while. Am I a *bad* person?
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DumpDavisHogg Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:41 PM
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25. A fast food job is worse than no job at all
Trust me. It is.

Fast food jobs are among the absolute worst that exist in the American economy.

I don't mind digging ditches in 100-degree heat, I don't mind cleaning rest areas, and I don't mind shoveling roadkill off roads. But please, please, PLEASE no fast food jobs.

I did not bust my butt getting a degree just to work at McDonald's.
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redixdoragon Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:56 PM
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29. I hear ya
I'm just about to gain a 2 year degree in Computer Repair/Networking/IT. Now I'm being told there's half a dozen certificates I'll likely need as well. And every day it seems I get home and read about more IT jobs being lost. Am I going ot have to settle for Geek Squad at Best Buy?

Not that they'd hire me of course, I'd be turned away for being "overqualified" with that degree, making it more of a curse than a key to open doors of opportunity.

Demand better, from your employers and others. That's what we must all do.
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Hama Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 01:23 AM
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82. I'm in IT too
and I work for McDonald's. I know I will be accused of being a "roboposter", or a RW plant because of my low post count. But I just have to step in here.
I have a descent job, that pays well, working IT (cash registers, audio systems, networks, security systems, digital signage, phones, etc) for a McD owner/operator. My current project is to install locked down PCs in our lobbies for people to apply for these jobs.
Many of our employees are unhappy having to work here, but many more are glad to have the work. Not all of the jobs are working the line for minimum wage, there are maintenance people, managers, supervisors, and yes, even IT people working here.
Believe it or not there can be a career path working in any industry. Many of the field people (installers, repair techs, etc) that I work with started out working in a restaurant. The corporate jobs are also, for the most part filled with people that have shown they understand all aspects of the business and have been promoted up the ladder and into corporate.
I understand it is seen as a dead end job, but I have found that any job is what you make of it.
I apologize for a bit of a rant, but I do get tired of people looking down or pitying me because I wear a McD uniform.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 07:22 AM
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93. Thanks for posting that. My daughter works at McDonalds as well...
It's her first job out of school, and Maccas gave her the training and experience needed for her to be offered an entry level job with a government department. She's been at Maccas for just over a year and she's now a Crew Trainer and apart from a problem with a new store manager, she's loved her time working there.
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:30 PM
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39. I have no degree but have over twenty years experience in restaurant kitchens
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 01:33 PM by bengalherder
Right before I got my first real restaurant cooking job (I had been waitstaff) I did 3 HOURS at a Burger King before literally walking away. That was enough for me. Contrary to what people might think, fast food doesn't give you the skills to do anything but more fast food. It teaches/sells you nothing more than a pyramid scheme/consumer cult structure where you dream of being the special one who moves up to have all of the underlings working for your profit. It reinforces the same company cult as Amway really, only burgers are easier to sell than over priced soap.

On edit: One of the reasons I walked: They were using whitening agents on the salad that had been illegal in CA (where I was) for quite some time. Caveat emptor, fast-food loving chumps.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:44 PM
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43. Good to hear the opinions of those who worked in this field.
My sister had horrid stories about the industry. She made it to District manager put didn't fell like going against her friends in the trenches and she quit.
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 12:49 PM
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28. Our glorious new age of jobs. You tell who has a job just by perusing these fascinating posts.
Take that joba and LIKE it!
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:22 PM
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36. Intel plans a new plant in AZ; upgrades/expands others
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:45 PM
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65. Wow, and in AZ, too.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:23 PM
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37. WELCOME TO THE NEW AMERICA...Brought to you by FAILING System!
ugg...
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:43 PM
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42. Good. At least you still get to eat for free if you are an employee, right?
That helps. Yes, everyone wishes the jobs were higher-paying and with more benefits, but for now, this is encouraging.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:51 PM
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45. That depends on how you define "eat".
I haven't eaten anything at McDonald's in a very long time. The last thing I ate there, in desperation, was a filet-o-fish.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:01 PM
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47. I know, I know - I saw "Supersize Me." LOL Still, they do have salads,
and juices and even the filet o'fish isn't half-bad - I actually like that item.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 01:48 PM
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44. McDonald's-a similar event in Western region last year.More than 60,000 people applied for 13,000
jobs.

I assume most of these will be part time, say 20 to 25 hours a week. After tax this is $115 to $150 a week. At some point, you have to ask if that pittance is worth the huge 'scarlet Mc' on your CV.

Here, it would be very detrimental. I guess if literally means not starving, then flip that corporate death-burger.


:(
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:31 PM
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49. A friend, there for years, gets 10 - 20 hours weekly; when she's lucky she gets the 20. She works
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 02:33 PM by Mnemosyne
at Arby's too and is lucky to get 30 hours between the two. Place is a black hole, McD's here rarely hires.
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:26 PM
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48. PR Stunt
There are approximately 15,000 McDonald's restaurants in the U.S. And, I'm guessing, there is a reasonable amount of turnover. 50,000 jobs is about 3 persons per restaurant so they will just replace the people that leave on a regular basis. They are not creating jobs, they are replacing the regular turnover but getting free advertising by making is seem they are a charity and helping the unemployed.

I'm not buying it, it is a p.r. stunt.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:35 PM
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50. +100, good catch
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:48 PM
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53. Bingo! nt
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:51 PM
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80. so you are saying that the same number of people will have jobs after this hiring event
then have them now? Explain how that works.
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:47 PM
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52. 10 months unemployed and this is what I have to look forward to....
in desperation I applied a month or so ago. Working 30 hour a week (what they offered me) I would not make enough to pay my student loans ($500), mortgage ($1000), and contribute to supporting my wife (works full-time and is in graduate school full-time) and family (pets). I was better off to stay on unemployment and keep my loans in deferment due to economic hardship.

Yeah they can hire 50,0000 but until they pay a livable wage it doesn't matter...never mind the personal moral issue I'd have working at McDonald's.
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LupinSansei72 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 02:53 PM
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54. I know these aren't the best jobs
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 02:54 PM by LupinSansei72
And I'm not going to pretend that anyone working at McDonald's will be building chevy Volts or anything, BUT..for the school students and other people who just want to work and feel some sense of personal pride, this is a good thing :-) I have more respect for someone making Big Macs than say, the Kardashians who are famous for being famous :wtf: or the overpaid sports star who complains about "having to get by" on X millions a year :eyes:
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:07 PM
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56. Lot's of jobs for kids...
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:54 PM
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58. In my area, they are filled with middle-aged and older people
very few kids.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:15 AM
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96. Same her. It's 50+ folks who are working the counters at McDonald.
And they all seem so happy. Until you really look at their faces.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 08:49 AM
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101. in a poverty area where I work, the McD's is staffed by immigrants
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:17 PM
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67. I can think of one EXTREMELY important reason to work at McDs...
if you don't already have a job.

"No Unemployed Need Apply."

"Currently working" at McDonalds counts.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:32 PM
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70. good point right there! i guess "NUNA" implies an unemployed=bum message nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:51 PM
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73. Yep. You can also feed your family (crap)
Having worked at McD's, the "food discount" often turns into "free food"

If I were desperate, I'd do it
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:33 PM
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71. i'm in college and will say thanks but no thanks as i apply for internships in computer engineering
And reading this excerpt it's not just some publicity stunt but rather something legit about its business. I applied for my local McDonald's summer before my senior year of high school but never got to work there. Since then I've had much trouble finding a job but am NOT backing down.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:42 PM
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72. Will they call it a Mcjumpstart to the economy?
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 10:01 AM
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103. And I promise you that the great majority of the workers will quit eventually.
The fast food industry has one of the highest turnover rates of any industry.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 10:16 AM
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104. So this is the new normal for college graduates?
I'll have to tell my unemployed grandson to hurry up and grab one of those nifty jobs.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 12:43 PM
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106. Media stunt.
Edited on Tue Apr-05-11 12:45 PM by sarcasmo
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 02:00 PM
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108. It's fine. I worked there when I was a kid. I can still remember old miserable people complaining...
then too. They were always the worst. It's jobs. A couple more people will have a few more bucks in their pockets. There's nothing here to bitch about. The more things change...
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:04 AM
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112. Terrific! I knew my $40k Bachelor's
Degree in Social Work would FINALLY pay off! :sarcasm:
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