Explosion Heard at Nuclear Plant Around 0630 GMT; Several People Injured - Media

[Hissyspit]

Source: Reuters

URGENT: Explosion heard at Fukushima nuclear plant, 4 injured: TEPCO
TOKYO, March 12, Kyodo

Four people have been injured in an explosion that occurred at the No. 1 reactor of the quake-hit Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday.

The explosion was heard at 3:36 p.m. following large tremors and white smoke was seen at the facility in Fukushima Prefecture, the company said.

The four workers were working to deal with problems caused by a powerful earthquake that hit northeastern Japan on Friday.

==Kyodo

ReutersFlash
Explosion heard at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi plant around 0630 GMT - media
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[aquart]

1. Were we expecting anything to explode?

[Hissyspit]

2. No, experts said explosion unlikely.

Could be anything, including false report - or reactor exploding.

[aquart]

6. Well, who heard it?

[snagglepuss]

4. dup - self delete

[Hissyspit]

7. Kind of seems it depends on who you ask. nt

[snagglepuss]

8. Exactly. It's very hard to find agreeement.

[snagglepuss]

5. This expert discussed possibility of explosion. I don't know if it applies to what was heard.

snip

In addition to the reactor cores, the storage pool for highly radioactive irradiated nuclear fuel is also at risk. The pool cooling water must be continuously circulated. Without circulation, the still thermally hot irradiated nuclear fuel in the storage pools will begin to boil off the cooling water. Within a day or two, the pool’s water could completely boil away. Without cooling water, the irradiated nuclear fuel could spontaneously combust in an exothermic reaction. Since the storage pools are not located within containment, a catastrophic radioactivity release to the environment could occur. Up to 100 percent of the volatile radioactive Cesium-137 content of the pools could go up in flames and smoke, to blow downwind over large distances. Given the large quantity of irradiated nuclear fuel in the pool, the radioactivity release could be worse than the Chernobyl nuclear reactor catastrophe of 25 years ago.”



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x621619

[suffragette]

28. I had seen and posted this earlier

though given the limited info, I'm not sure if what he is describing is similar to what's occurring there or not:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=619287&mesg_id=620599

[meow mix]

3. great work with the lies, nuke lobby

fucking fail

[grahamhgreen]

36. +1

[leveymg]

48. As a major player in the industry says, "We bring good things to lies"

Irony is, the Senate is debating a $20 billion handout to the nuclear industry this week. Obama doesn't oppose it.

[abqmufc]

9. weblink given (Huffington)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/flash-explosion-heard-at-_46479222654513152.html


I am amazed that CNN and MSNBC seem to be 2 hours behind Reuters in reporting.......no actually I am not.

[janet118]

74. This might have something to do with it

General Electric - Nuclear Energy

[Poll_Blind]

10. WTF, I have no idea what's going on. I just tuned into TBStv to see...

...what appeared to be some sort of huge muddy explosion either happening at Fukushima or in the foreground. It did not look like what I would imagine a massive failure would look like- but what the hell did I just see? Is anyone else watching http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tbstv">TBStv?

I just tuned into it to see this after coming back home.

PB

[haele]

86. Delete, my video feeds were not complete

Meltdown. :(

Haele

[Arrowhead2k1]

11. I'm sure explosions at nuclear plants are perfectly normal.

No chance of this being an actual meltdown. Just relax....

:sarcasm:

[chill_wind]

12. GuardianUK- just now-

"7.56am: My colleague Justin McCurry in Japan says explosion reported at Fukushima Daiichi (No 1) reactor at 15:36 local time (06:30GMT). TV footage shows smoke rising from plant."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/12/japan-tsunami-earthquake-live-coverage

[AllenVanAllen]

13. CNN just reported two injuries in the blast.

Nothing else is known right now.

[Arrowhead2k1]

14. All the "scientists" who claimed that a catastrophic meltdown would be impossible at this plant

should be losing their goddamn jobs tomorrow.

[Lars77]

15. I'm in Germany right now, the media here uses Greenpeace as experts

Their nuclear experts says it's definately a possibility.

[kimsarah]

24. It's headed for a meltdown

if they don't get lots of water on the cores right away. And keep an eye out for health of the workers who try to fight this meltdown. If they survive, they may not live more than a couple weeks. Check out Chernobyl. And for good insight from experts, check with South Carolina's green party candidate Tom Clements who worked with Greenpeace, and Michael Mariotte and Mary Olsen at NIRS.org, which I believe stands for Nuclear Information Resource Service. I hope Japan can prevent a meltdown.

[Lars77]

26. I remember chernobyl from my childhood in Norway

We had to slaughter livestock, especially sheep which were grazing in the mountain areas, for years. And we were quite far away.

[Divernan]

55. Chernobyl's Tiniest Victims - 2 decades later, deformed children born in area

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/26/earlyshow/main1547965.shtml

(CBS) April 26, 2006 marks the 20th anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster, but the tragedy lingers in heartbreaking ways.

Twenty years ago, a nuclear power plant in the former Soviet Union exploded not once, but twice, soaking the atmosphere with 100 times more radiation than the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945.

The plant is located on the border area between Ukraine and Belarus. At the time of the accident, about 7 million people lived in contaminated territories, including 3 million children. More than 5 million people, including more than a million children, still live in contaminated zones, according to the Chernobyl Children’s Project International, a not-for-profit organization that provides humanitarian and medical aid.

Two decades later, radioactive elements are spread through dust particles deposited in the earth by rainfall or enter the food chain through plants and animals, according to the organization. Millions continue to be exposed to these low doses of radiation, and their children are showing the tragic results. Many of them are born with disabilities so severe their parents either don't want them or can't help them.

[Diclotican]

62. Lars77

Lars77

Me too.. I remember Chernobyl well, even tho I might not totally understood what it was at the time... It was all over the news for weeks, months... And it was indeed a interesting spring/summer that year...

Diclotican

[swilton]

80. Interesting

Some argue that Chernobyl was a catalyst for the peace and disarmament movement in Russia - I read the Gorbachev memoirs and it was certainly influential in his thinking.

[Diclotican]

124. swilton

swilton

It would not be a suprise, that Gorbachev, was thinking twice about a nuclear holocaust, after Chernobyl.. Before that, it might have been little "theoritcal" what become of the world, after a nuclear excange.. But Chernobyl showed for everyone that nuclear rectors, and nuclear weapons is dangrous.. Not that Chernobyl was nuclear weapons, it was just a RBMK reactor, who had some flaws in its design.. But by the "standard" of the day, it was not THAT bad....

It was more or less a shock for the world when Chernobyl happend.. It was in fact one of the few summers in my shildhood, that I was told to stay inside, rather than outside... Mostly becouse of the posibility of radiotation...

Diclotican

[eowyn_of_rohan]

64. How sad and awful that must have been -nt

[FourScore]

76. Welcome to DU, kimsarah!

:hi:

[Kuroneko]

16. From Japanese TV

Tokai TV

There are 4 persons injured.

It's said that the explosion didn't came from the reactor but waiting for more information.

Presently there is still tsunami coming.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Video of the explosion here.

But the four reactor buildings are off to the right. So, dunno what this explosion was.

http://www.twitvid.com/LICNU

It's certainly NEAR the reactors, at least. Which can't be good.

[Kuroneko]

21. Waiting for the press conference

But it's the reactor building.
I've switch to Nhk and waiting.
The problem it's there so much problem now that it's difficult to follow everything.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. yeah, most sources are saying it was actually the reactor building.

Maybe the wall facing away from the camera in that video blew out.

[leveymg]

45. If it was a reactor building that blew, could be a hydrogen explosion.

My understanding is that they tried pouring water onto the exposed, overheated portion of the core. When you do that, I have read, there is a danger that hydrogen gas will build up inside the containment structure, and any spark may set off an massive explosion blowing out the walls of the chamber. If that's what just happened, and the reactor rods meltdown, all hell could break loose.

Not good at all. That looked like it could have been a hydrogen explosion, and the "after" picture appears to show that the structure has been reduced to the steel skeleton.

[AtheistCrusader]

83. The containment might still be intact

maybe. But questionable. the containment is a large upside down turnip shaped housing deep inside the (former) building. Could still be there. if that's gone... that's very bad.

[highplainsdem]

17. Twitter search for Fukushima. What I'm seeing there sounds bad.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/fukushima

[CRH]

60. Is Yogi Berra your friend? "What I'm seeing sounds bad." :-) n/t

[highplainsdem]

19. From Twitter: picture of the explosion:

Akshay131 Akshay Pathak
Stunning picture of explosion in Fukushima, via @makitanaka http://bit.ly/gHiiEN
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[Hissyspit]

20. Thanks.

[grahamhgreen]

43. Oh shit! So much for cost effective nuclear.

[hourglass1]

57. THIS IS NOT THE PLANT it is port town -

and the watery foreground is tsunami remnants - so stop it.

it seem much of the coastline directly off sendai has sunk some 60cm. walls of water up to 20 meters high followed up many rivers depositing homes and ships upriver. seawalls were swamped and whole villages washed away.

i am in tokyo now. the fukushima plant is now at 20kilo evac - the plant just 10k north is also at 20k evac -
we just got an unclear report that a super-team helecoptered to the area has been recalled - whether or not this team is evac or plant related was intentionally unclear.

this is serious enough without false info being spread ... i repeat this photo is not a nuclear plant fire!

[abqmufc]

87. Is this two fires?

I honestly don't know, but seeing video recently of a fire was shown on CNN it was describe as a petroleum refinery fire. That video looked like this fire. A refinery would be near the water for transport of crude on ships. I'd guess the area around Nuclear plant is an industrial park (put all pollution sources close by). If you look at this picture you do see the white smoke low in the picture, it doesn't rise very high in the air. The black smokes almost looks like it comes from another source both b/c of location on the image and color and "texture" of the smoke.

Either its two fires, or the smoke goes from white to black like magic. tThe video we are seeing on US TV hides the black smoke very well.

Anyone?

[highplainsdem]

23. According to other tweets, NHK is telling people to stay indoors, turn off a/c, avoid tap water.

[Hissyspit]

25. AP Breaking: Walls crumble at one building at Japanese nuclear plant

[Lars77]

27. Video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WufPGwp7rEY

Start of explosion can be seen at 0.47.

Look at that pressure wave.

[highplainsdem]

29. OMG

[joshcryer]

31. Wow. And this is why I'm against Gen III.

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Why exactly?

Wouldn't it be better to replace all this old stuff with the newer reactor designs?

I mean, ideally, sure, you wouldn't need nuclear power at all. But if we do, and it's going to be there, why not GenIII?

[grahamhgreen]

44. We dont need nukes. Too dangerous & expensive.

[Arrowhead2k1]

32. Oh yes, we're fucked...

This is going to be as bad as Chernobyl, if not worse.

[highplainsdem]

30. Someone just tweeted a new tsunami warning for Japan. Link:

http://www.jma.go.jp/en/tsunami/

I don't know what the time difference is, exactly, don't know how soon that's expected.

[highplainsdem]

33. BBC story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219

A massive explosion has struck a Japanese nuclear power plant after Friday's devastating earthquake.

A huge pall of smoke was seen coming from the plant at Fukushima and several workers were injured.

Japanese officials fear a meltdown at one of the plant's reactors after radioactive material was detected outside it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. People are being told to stay indoors

Per rt tv

[BradBlog]

37. EXPLOSION ROCKS JAPAN NUKE PLANT AT FUKUSHIMA

Source: BRAD BLOG



EXPLOSION ROCKS NUKE PLANT
...Video Now Available...Huge Plumes of Smoke...


Details: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8390




Read more: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8390

[snagglepuss]

38. If you are the brad of bradblog, kudos. It's the best site i've found for updates.

:yourock:

[BradBlog]

51. Thank you. I am that Brad... nt

[MrMickeysMom]

95. And, I'm glad you're that BradBlog, too

Sometimes it's a little unnerving to read some of the DU reactions.

[meow mix]

39. crap. and someone said the explosion ejected the core.

DU nuke lovers... care to explain? you always claim to know every fucking thing

[leveymg]

40. If the smoke were from the core, ejected or not, it would be red "hot " (radioactive)

and there would be no question about a breach. The radiation would be readily detectable (and potentially lethal) a long, long way from the plant. (Not a nuke lover, no way.)

Black smoke - could be a nearby diesel fuel stock for the backup generators that run the cooling system caught on fire.

Regardless, this is not a good thing.

[closeupready]

79. I remember when Chernobyl blew, the radiation INITIALLY was the news story.

The networks would provide breaking news updates indicating that they had no info on what the radiation was, but it had registered on equipment.

So in other words, if there were a meltdown, we would know. Since there haven't been such reports yet (of which I'm aware), I don't think we're there yet.

[cutlassmama]

41. will the US be affected? I saw a map on another

site that read the fallout would hit CA in 10 days. I don't know if it was fake or not?

[abqmufc]

47. Yes

Fallout could carry over the ocean and hit the Western US, if the winds are correct. Radioactive materials can stay airborne a long time, similar to mercury. 10 days airborne means it would circle the Earth.

If fallout is avoided, the next issue is water contamination and the impact to fish and life in the ocean (which we eat). Having radioactive material enter the food chain could have longer term effects that are not seen for a generation. Birth defects could be an end result. Thyroid cancer clusters was the major health impact with the Hanford releases in WA state.

[Divernan]

56. Re: birth defects, see post 55 above. 20 yrs. later in Chernobyl

Children still being born with birth defects.

[abqmufc]

70. Same with Hanford downwinders in WA and Navajo in AZ and NM

[abqmufc]

49. This study shows levels of Cesium exist in seas post Cold War tests

Doesn't make you feel any better.....

Levels of radioactive material in sea remain constant over 10 years
Thursday 21st October, 02:10 AM JST

TOKYO —
"Levels of the radioactive substance Cesium 137, which fell into the sea due to Cold War-era atmospheric nuclear tests, have remained constant in waters near Japan for roughly 10 years, study results showed Wednesday.

A team of researchers headed by Michio Aoyama, the chief researcher at the Meteorological Research Institute of the Japanese Meteorological Agency, has found that despite a decrease at the rate of Cesium 137’s half-life, or about 30 years, levels have remained constant due to the inflow of the substance on the oceanic current from the south.

‘‘We still have traces of nuclear tests’’ conducted by nuclear powers, such as the United States and the Soviet Union, between 1945 and 1980, Aoyama said, adding that the substance poses no environmental threat due to its infinitesimal concentration."

http://www.japantoday.com/category/technology/view/levels-of-radioactive-material-in-sea-remain-constant-over-10-years-2

[Sparky 1]

52. It tends to stay airborne for a long time, and 10 days airborne means it could circle the Earth.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

42. This looks completely different than the video of the explosion.

Different color of smoke (white), direction of smoke, etc.

[grahamhgreen]

46. I hope tis ends the debate. Nukes are too expensive, dirty, and dangerous, period.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

54. AMEN....the fat lady has sung!

[MrMickeysMom]

96. My feeling is the fat lady is getting ready in the wings...

This will certainly fuel the debate (pardon my awful pun).

We don't seem to get the real message of what our alternatives are in energy production - and the process leading us to that begins NOW.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

50. 12 mile radius evacuation ordered and they are preventing car, trucks and peeps 60 miles away .....

60 miles road block....turn around ....no going home if you live within the 60 radius.


the roof of the reactor blew off and is gone.....radition leak ....will even effect the United States.


this could be far worse then Chernobyl

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. "the core is now exposed...70 mile evacuation radius"....it's heading to the US's west coast...fallo

[tavalon]

90. Where did you get this information?

I ordered potassium iodide this morning but that was just precautionary. I've heard nothing definitive about the radiation being airborne. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to find the source.

[intaglio]

58. Before and after photos of Daiichi plant

Looks very bad

credit to Jadath's Twitpick

edit to add
video at BBC, clearly shows a very energetic shockwave with a separate circular shock going rapidly upwards

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219

[annabanana]

61. That very much does not look good . . . .n/t

[JJW]

59. So much for CA produce

Will CA soil be ruined and made toxic?

What are we going to eat now, BP oil from the Gulf?

[abqmufc]

68. Shock Doctrine ---> bioengineered food only.

[intaglio]

63. Update. Japan Gov't says contaiment vessel still intact

Canada Business online

TOKYO (AP) - Japan's government spokesman says the metal container sheltering a nuclear reactor was not affected by an explosion that destroyed the building it's in.

Yukio Edano says the radiation around the plant did not rise after the blast but instead is decreasing. He added that pressure in the reactor was also decreasing.

Outer building gone (probably f'n big Hydrogen explosion) but reactor vessel intact. This is not something they can lie about, too many news crews will have dosimeters and Geiger counters.

[leveymg]

67. How are they pumping coolant through the reactor?

I thought the power-lines and backup generators were gone.

[abqmufc]

69. I am curious...

I got home from the Battle L.A. movie at 5:30 PM MST Friday evening, it is now 6:01 AM MST Saturday, and for those nearly 12 hours I've watched non-stop msnbc, CNN, Sky, BBC, while surfing the news sites on the web and I have not see one reporter who had a Geiger counter nor appeared to have any knowledge of how to work one.

How are you so certain news crews are in an area (since we have a 20KM safe zone now) to detect early signs of a mid to high level release?

Nobody is talking numbers, the only numbers I've seen is the safe zone go from 3KM to 6 KM to 10 KM to 20 KM. I've heard one reactor is in trouble and now I hear up to 4 are in threat. To be honest, the media all points to this is getting worse, and this is day one. Those cores can rise for days before a meltdown occurs. It isn't like the infra structure is going improve enough in 48 hours to get the supplies and power up and running to fix it.

[McCamy Taylor]

65. Last night MSNBC/GE (we bring nukes to life) was doing a prison show rather than

covering the nuclear crisis in Japan. I think the folks at GE were just hoping it would all go away.

[jimlup]

66. OH FUCK!

Everybody start taking iodine tablets. Seriously the radiation exposure will be world wide but especially if you are anywhere near the plant.

For most of the world it will be only slightly more than background but for anyone in Japan or the pacific islands it will be much more.

[Liberty Belle]

88. I'm allergic to iodine....is there ANYTHING else to be done?

At least I'm not in Japan, but the fallout could reach CA.

[tavalon]

94. I know this sounds like a sick joke from the days of Bush and terror alerts

but plastic sheeting and duct tape. You will need to pick an interior room to tape off and you'll be pretty miserable in there (make sure to take plenty of food and no cook foods and comfort foods and books. As we know more, we'll know if this is even going to be a problem for us on the west coast.

[Webster Green]

102. You'll only be miserable till you suffocate.

But that shouldn't take too long.

[tavalon]

103. If anyone can get an airtight seal,well that's just scary amazing

[Jamastiene]

121. Well, I am pretty good with duct tape, but

plastic sheeting is known to have holes in it at some spot along the way. It never fails. At least it didn't when I was a kid and tried to make a cheap koi pond out of plastic and duct tape. And no, it didn't work and I had to abandon the project. :blush:

[jimlup]

123. I would take calcium supplements as well

But you need to saturate the thyroid with Iodine to prevent radioactive iodine from the reactor from attaching there. Depending on the seriousness of the situation I may depend on how allergic you are to Iodine. If a large cloud with heavy radiation approaches CA you should consider leaving. Certainly stay inside.

[dgibby]

71. CNN just reported

that it was a hydrogen explosion, according to Japanese officials. Hopefully, they will have more info soon.

[bucolic_frolic]

72. Do you believe them?

Yeah, right! The old substitute and deny PR Ploy. At the very least it's a little early to know exactly what exploded.

[CJvR]

75. Well...

... it looked like a hydrogen explosion, particulary the massive shock wave thrown out by the blast. Hydrogen/Oxygen mixes really do detonate with a bang like that.

[jimlup]

73. As was Chernobyl

Chernobyl was a conventional chemical gas explosion triggered by the nuclear energy of the reactor out of control. The result of which released catastrophic radiation.

[Jeneral2885]

77. and yet

On te USNavy's Facebook page people are calling for the stopping of any aid to Japan just because America in in debt.

[SOS]

93. That's like saying

My brother was in a car accident, but I'm not going to help him out because my credit card balance is high.
The "compassionate conservative" PR campaign has apparently ended.

[sam sarrha]

78. i hope it wasnt a melt down, maybe now the Fascist fools in charge will go to the Pebble Bed design

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor

these reactors cant Melt Down they are modular, the reactor can be swapped out with a replacement. they are easier to recycle. if the system fails they naturally just quit working

in the 70's when they started pushing nuclear reactors, i was telling people that the Cold War was a Fascist Farce to legitimize the production of Plutonium free for the reactor companies at tax payers expense. there is no other way they could have pulled that off. this is an example of what Leo Strauss taught his Deciples to run a Macieveliam government system of LIES for manipulating citizens to hide their Fascist ideologys. the GOP is run by Diciples of Leo Straus..

http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/10016
"snip...Strauss's students and their students have occupied important positions in the Reagan and Bush administrations and continue to play a significant role within the Republican party. Prominent figures on the American political scene include Reagan's ambassador to Indonesia, Paul Wolfowitz; Caspar Weinberger's former speechwriter, Seth Cropsey; National Endowment for the Humanities Deputy Chairman, John T. Agresto; National Security Council advisor Carnes Lord; Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs, Alan Keyes; legal scholar and judge Robert Bork...; Justice Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Court; former Secretary of Education William Bennett; former Education Department Chief of Staff, William Kristol (later former vice-president Dan Quayle's chief of staff and then the chief pundit and policy maker of the Republican party). Journalists have been fully cognizant of this influx of Straussians into Washington and of the power they have within the Republican party. So much so that the New York Times has dubbed Leo Strauss the godfather of the Republican party's 1994 Contract With America...snip"


who are follower of Abraham Vereide's Anti-Christ Nazi Religion. the C street, the 'Family', the 'Fellowship' who call themselves the "Christian Mafia". they are organized in small groups of secret Cells.

the Anti-Christ was Abraham Vereide.. he created the present GOP >Links> he was a Nazi who taught
that god only loves/bless's the rich, hates and is punishing the poor.. so it is a sin to tax a rich man an a sin to help the poor. sound familure.?


Abraham Vereide's principals/DOGMA is ..the Tax Cuts for the rich, trickle down economics, the New World Order, Globalism.. but who actually runs the GOP..??

these are all Dominionist Principals..!!

the Dominionists work in the Shadows. in 1934 a Nazi refugee Abraham Vereide started what is now the "C st Family", the Christian Fellowship, A.K.A.the Christian Mafia.. and have taken the Evangelical movement into the Dark Side. THEY ARE BY DEFINATION..the Anti-Christ, don't get me wrong, i am a Buddhist i don't believe in the 'Revelation's', but i did grow up in the Free Holyness Pentecostal church. when i was 6 our Sunday school taught us Revelation's. then Romans, Acts, then Revelation's again, but i have a IQ of 164.. so it didn't stick.

the Dominionists believe that God/Jesus only bless the Rich, Wealth and Power is proof of gods Favor of a man/corporation, so it is a sin to tax them. God Speaks directly to the rich/Powerful, the poor must "Submit" totally to their will, and become a slave to god. the poor are being punished by god so it is a sin to help them, or not to torment them.

Trickle Down doesn't mean money, it means only gods blessings to those who followed gods greatest plan and made the rich richer. the New World Order is the Utopian Paradise created when all the worlds poor submit to gods great plan, and become slaves.. the GOP is Theocratic Cargo Cult of OCD psychotic narcissistic wealth/power hoarders.. in the 30's Depression FDR appointed Abraham Vereide to a Cabinet position to start programs for the poor to bring them out of poverty.. Vereide's plan was to start Dominionist evangelical "Revivals" all over the country, only the Poor who came and prayed thru and totally submitted to the Dominion of the rich and Gods great plan would get help. he was replaced ..he immediately began undermining the New Deal.. still the fundamental purpose of the GOP is to repeal the New Deal, because it is the work of Satan, communists and Socialists, all interchangeable.

this is back ground info

... this is one of the best..especially from Straus to making slaves
http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html

this is very good
http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/10016

this is older, more is known about them now that Jeff sharlets book is out
http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOf...


http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth....
the top 1% richest hold 42% of Americas Financial Wealth, 6 times that of the bottom 80% who hold only 7%.. so the top 20% hold 93% of Financial Wealth. that is why there is a Recession.. nearly all the available money has been looted by the rich. there isn't enough left to run an economy.


the GOP's agenda is really obvious.. it is simply Dominionism.. they don't care who they hurt, who dies in the process.. they are Elite Favorites of god who hates the poor under Divine orders to control the World.. no Quarter for unbelievers.

the best books on the subject, he lived with them..wonderful writer

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Hear...

http://www.amazon.com/Street-Fundamentalist-Threat-Amer...

the power the dark side has over the government is frightening, both parties. the dominionists spread by 'Secret' Cells, they are known today as "C street", the family, the fellowship and they refer to themselves as the Christian Mafia... but they are just Nazis.

this really sounds conspiratorial and crazy, but read Sharlets book, cheap on Amazon. i have been researching this for a while. they count on people thinking it's tooo crazy to be true. they are organized and spread in secret cells. people who join are often unaware of what it is, and become indoctrinated. but it really explains all the weird stuff they do. they openly admire the Nazis and murderous dictators. it is always rationalized like.. 'yea, the genocide was unfortunate but they were really well organized'. it was bad enough before leo strauss amped it up with Machiavellian.. economy of perpetual war, a government that lies and spins the horrible things they do. they have studdied morally fallen religious leaders to learn how to spin all the criticism away and come out with opinion poles better than they were before they got caught with their pants down with a homosexual Crack whore.

[liberalmike27]

85. So by Straussian, Dominionist, Calvinist Principles

if a rich person gets shot by someone, God must've wanted him dead, right? It's a kind of stupid, self-fulfilling logic applied to whatever Deity one wants to worship. If there is a revolution, and I think we're all pretty lazy and that won't happen, but if the poor, the rabble were to rise up and roll through the houses and neighborhoods of the wealthy, the servants of the wealthy, then that'd be God's will too, I'm assuming, by that said, same logic. Besides, even if God wants someone to be rich, it doesn't mean He wants them to be a Dick, an ass-wipe, or a Douche.

Don't get me wrong, but you'd think a genius with an IQ in the 160s would know how to use a spell-checker, but then maybe you're just smart enough to not care!! (See there, found two in this short two paragraphs)

[underpants]

81. CNN reporting it is NOT THE REACTOR (got that?) it was just a pumping system

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/

[grahamhgreen]

100. "just"...????

[Jamastiene]

122. Uh, er, the pumping systen is kinda important too.

I mean, the reactor needs the pumping system to get water to it so it doesn't melt down. :shrug:

[pasto76]

82. Hope they have plenty of Rad-X

[tavalon]

91. Civil defense is passing out potassium iodide as they can

in a concentric circle around the site. They said they will be distributing it to all Japanese citizens. That is mindboggling and unlikely to work out as well as they would like. I hope it does though.

[tavalon]

92. I ordered from anbex as soon as I got home from work

This is not an endorsement. CDC listed three places you can order potassium iodide online and that was the easiest to navigate but I don't know how quickly they will deliver it.

[feslen]

84. good gods....:(

and we want MORE of these "clean energies"? come on....!!

looks like 2012 is well underway...

[Historic NY]

89. Dark smoke is usually the sign of a petroleum based fire.......

I wonder if they used LPG rather than diesel to fuel those pumps. Those could explain this explosion.

[hedgehog]

97. Live: Explosion at nuclear plant in Japan

Source: RTE

An explosion and radiation leakage has been confirmed at Japan's Fukushima 1 nuclear power plant, a day after a powerful earthquake damaged the facility's cooling system.

Read more: http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0312/japan.html

[Lucinda]

98. Is this the one from yesterday?

Or a new explosion?

[jannyk]

99. It was live about 8 hours ago dude.

Try this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4767113

[hedgehog]

101. You're right - I misread the time stamp.

[bananas]

104. Nuclear evacuation zone increased to 20 km

Source: CNN

The evacuation zone has been increased again to 20 km.
It was 10 km before.
Originally it was only 3 km.


No link yet.

[Arrowhead2k1]

105. It should be 100. Japan and whoever is downwind from this is fucked...

"This is starting to look a lot like Chernobyl" Walt Patterson, an associate fellow with Chatham House, has told the BBC after seeing pictures of the explosion at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant. "The nuclear agency says that they have detected caesium and iodine outside the unit, which certainly indicates fuel melting at the very least," he says. "Once you have melting fuel coming into contact with water, that would almost certainly be the cause of the explosion."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

[SkyDaddy7]

106. The BBC is reporting that there is not a meltdown taking place. nt.

[jpak]

116. 2nd LD Writethru: Radioactive cesium detected at Fukushima No. 1 nuke plant

http://www.istockanalyst.com/business/news/4964075/2nd-ld-writethru-radioactive-cesium-detected-at-fukushima-no-1-nuke-plant

TOKYO, Mar. 12, 2011 (Xinhua News Agency) -- The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said Saturday that radioactive cesium has been detected at Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.

At a press conference, agency officials said that the detection indicates a reactor meltdown is occurring.

Workers were struggling to cool the facility and restart its quake-damaged diesel generators to avoid a total meltdown, officials said.

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[pampango]

109. Car manufacturer Toyota says it will suspend operations at all 12 of its factories in Japan

on Monday while it confirms the safety of its employees. One of its subsidiaries, Central Motor Company, has a factory in Miyagi prefecture, near Sendai, which produces the Yaris model.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

[ElsewheresDaughter]

107. I heard a man said he was stopped at 60 miles.....no going home if you live within 60 mile radius

[Citizen Worker]

108. To quote a friend: "I've always believed that nuclear power is inherently evil."

[ElsewheresDaughter]

110. 70 mile zone ordered....the fat lady has sung....the core is exposed and meltdown is happening.

[Selatius]

113. The Japanese gov't continuously says 20km, where are you getting 70 miles from? nt

[Poll_Blind]

117. 20km is evacuation zone but vehicles are being stopped and turned away at 60km

Here is an excerpt and this information was also mentioned on the BBC about 20-30 minutes ago:

Japanese authorities have now ordered the evacuation zone around the plant be expanded from a 10km radius to 20km, while vehicles are being stopped 60km from the Fukushima-Daiichi plant.

PB

[Citizen Worker]

111. It may be that we should all bend over, grab our ankles and kiss our asses goodbye. This is rapidly

developing into a global disaster.

[JJW]

112. Is this going to contaminate

CA farmland, where we get most of our produce?

[Turborama]

114. Evacuation zone extended to 20km radius, journalists reportedly not allowed within a 60km perimeter

10:21pm
With the evacuation zone extended to a 20km radius around the Fukushima nuclear power plant, and journalists reportedly not allowed within a 60km perimeter, Japan's prime minister Naoto Kan urged people to remain calm, telling reporters:

"By taking firm measures, we will do our best not to have even a single person suffer from health problems ... From the bottom of my heart, I would like everybody to listen to the government and to media reports and to act calmly."
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/asia/live-blog-japan-earthquake

Seems like the government line is "don't panic". Which is understandable. I've seen it repeated here a few times recently, too. Even though no-one here seems to have been "panicking".

Weird. I rec'd this and it went from 3 to 2, and I am certain I didn't unrec by mistake. Why would anyone unrec this news?

[Turborama]

119. OOPS! I just checked and was wrong. I had accidentally unrec'd it earlier.

Hopefully, a saviour will come along and reclaim that lost rec.

[BetsysGhost]

120. okay?

rec'd and kicked at 5.

[Poll_Blind]

115. John Large, independent nuclear consultant, called the Japanese govt. liars on the BBC about...

...20 minutes ago. John Large is a regular nuclear analyst for the BBC, btw, but he is also very anti-nuclear energy- you can check his Wiki page here.

He said the only way that building could have exploded, given the design, is that the the core was breached. He said (to the best of my abilities of recall) that (seawater?) probably interacted with a zinc coating on the fuel rods, sucking the oxygen from the seawater and leaving hydrogen which then exploded. He indicated that there is nothing else that is possibly that explosive, at all, except for a reaction such as that in the core.

He indicated that the reality of politics in a situation such as this, which is very dire because of the earthquake/tsunami dictate that the government is going put in a position of saying "everything's ok" while increasing the evacuation zone (it's about 12 miles at this point but inbound vehicles are turned away at 60km/40 miles). But he reiterated that an explosion of that magnitude could have only come from a core breach.

Specifically, he called bullshit on the Japanese government's analysis of grading the nuclear event as "Level 4", indicating that this explosion is greater than 3 Mile Island (which is graded a 5 on the Nuclear Event Scale) because in this case the core was actually breached.

PB

[PaDUer]

118. Japan tries using seawater to cool damaged reactor

<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703555404576195700301455480.html>