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EvilMonsanto Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 07:51 PM
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Special US prison units fill with Muslims
Source: Yahoo News

US federal prisons for the past three years have housed special units filled disproportionately with Muslim inmates whose every communication with the outside world is strictly monitored.

Known as "Guantanamo North," the so-called Communication Management Units (CMU) were secretly opened in 2007 in maximum security prisons in Terre Haute, Indiana and Marion, Illinois and currently have 71 prisoners

"In the last several years, subsequent to media scrutiny of defendants' targeting of Muslims, more non-Muslims have been moved to the CMU. Guards on the units have referred to these non-Muslims prisoners as balancers," it said

Read more: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/special-us-prison-units-fill-m...



I can't believe this
This is just so wrong and so-Nazi like
Secret prisons is just so wrong

Especially when the whites are for balancing and the rest is profiling

I don't know what to say :(
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 07:57 PM
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1. I am Okay with this.
Seems unjust but they are inmates ...crime does not pay.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:35 AM
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10. what is their crime?
please tell me.
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:48 AM
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12. To be in a Federal Prison...
it would be a Federal crime...found guilty in a Court of Law....
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:00 AM
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16. please answer the question
WHAT is their crime?
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:23 AM
Response to Reply #16
28. You are not my daddy....
Additionally....the question is irrational ....
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 10:44 AM
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31. exactly what i figured
FAIL.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 10:56 AM
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32. total fail.
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 10:57 AM by RedSock
no charge
no trial
no escape from a life-long sentence

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

yay obama!

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:04 PM
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19. you're saying that nobody is being without charge?
:shrug:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:17 PM
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33. Are you sure?
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 08:24 PM
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2. It is the courts that determines if a prisoner is deemed 'CMU'.
The court informs the U.S. Attorney, who tells the Bureau of Prisons the inmates status. All inmate communications are then filtered through a U.S. Attorney. This is reserved for inmates deemed to be capable of causing harm. We do have some very dangerous people incarcerated, who should not be able to communicate with their allies.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 08:28 PM
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3. And who provides the court...
...with the information required to make that determination, why could it be the US Attorney?
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 08:36 PM
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4. Of course.
The U.S. Attorney handles all prosecutions at the federal level.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:45 AM
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11. Problem with that logic.
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 05:51 AM by Heywood J
In the last several years, subsequent to media scrutiny of defendants' targeting of Muslims, more non-Muslims have been moved to the CMU
If they can be "moved to the CMU" after the fact, then the court is not the one initiating the transfer. The court may or may not be rubber-stamping it, but it sounds like the status is an arbitrary designation imposed outside the court.

Also, who would trust the prosecuting attorney to correctly inform the BoP of the sentence or status? "Yeah, I screwed up and the judge gave him 1-3, but you can put him away for 25 to life on a chain gang!" Hardly an impartial party relaying the sentence. Couple this with at least a few of the attorneys being Karl Rove's good-old-boys and you can add it up to a healthy distrust for the system.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:26 PM
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34. Source? The Op suggests otherwise.
Did the court also arrange for transfer of "balancers" to CMU after public critism began?

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They_Live Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 08:36 PM
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5. Crime does not pay
Unless you are one of the elite, in which case, it pays extremely well and without penalties!
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:50 AM
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13. You do have a point there...
O8)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 10:10 PM
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6. K&R
Thanks for posting this
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 10:12 PM
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7.  Read the article. It hooks you a bit. But something doesn't smell right. n/t
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 10:12 PM by Wilms
:(
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:29 PM
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35. I did read it. And?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. That ratio thing for one.

But then, we're used to groups being singled out in this country.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 05:45 PM
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43. Sorry, still not getting your point. Are you saying the stories is lies and/or
exaggerations?

Apparently, there were earlier stories about possible religious profiling, with suspicions of possible religious profiling arising precisely bc of the very lopsided ratio of Muslims prisoners in the units (versus all kinds of other prisoners in the units).
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:43 PM
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46. What I was saying is that I can see there may be some difficulties in treating these inmates fairly.

But as I read the article, it seemed no one was trying to anything but CYA.

Yep. The profiling/racism/ratio issues are bothering me.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 10:14 PM
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8.  I don't recognize this country.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:05 PM
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20. me neither
:(
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:18 AM
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9. Discrimination isn't right just because it's happening to people
who have been convicted of something. People who have been convicted of the same crime should, ideally, all be treated equally.

If some people get far worse treatment, losing rights and privileges, because of bigotry, there is No Justification for supporting this!

Most people who are in Prison are there for non-violent crimes. Many are there because we have doubled and tripled our conviction rate in the past decade in order to make the modern prison industry as huge and as profitable as it is. And we have been criminalizing and incarcerating our citizens in vast numbers to do it, usually for petty crimes, often for things that used to result in warnings or rehab or probation.

Please keep all of that in mind when you act as if everyone in prison must be some hardened career criminal who deserved any and every possible form of abuse. By allowing and accepting that kind of abuse all you are doing is letting them CREATE hardened career criminals. Will you accept that We created them when that happens? Or will you blame them even more despite all the vicious treatment and abuse we allowed them to be subjected to that dragged them down that path?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:59 AM
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:17 AM
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15. Just part of a final solution to a pesky problem, eh comrade?
Fearful people do awful things. I grew up with duck and cover, so I've never bought into the whole Homeland Security thing...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 12:42 PM
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17. People give up a lot of civil rights when they get sentenced to prison
Including "fair" representation of their demographic group within a particular subset of the prison population.

After reading the article, I find myself quite unmoved.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:00 PM
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18. Even if that were true
Which it isn't (you've cited nothing), it would not make it morally correct.

On a side note, whenever I take in new information I find myself to be moved or unmoved by the information itself. I never consult a legal library to determine whether it's legal or not first. Who does that?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:58 PM
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21. I read the article, and don't see anything that doesn't seem "morally correct" in it.
I see violent criminals being dealt with be prison officials who are responsible for keeping those prisoners safe, and for keeping others safe from them.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:24 PM
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22. On supporting the segregation of Muslims
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 03:30 PM by Bragi
In contrast to your support for this segregation, I find the whole arrangement suspect. When any country sets up separate incarceration facilities for radicals, criminals, and political activists from a particular religion, I admit, I get a bit jumpy.

I find it particularly worrisome when the country engaged in this segregation is known to jail people in huge numbers without proper due process, to put prisoners in harsh jails, to abuse and torture them with impunity, to deny them their basic human rights, and to systematically and lie and mislead the public about how they are treating prisoners.

Maybe it's just me.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:45 PM
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23. The article doesn't say they're segregating Muslims or any other identifiable group
You should read it.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:55 PM
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24. Huh?
What part of the phrase "special units filled disproportionately with Muslim inmates" suggests to you this isn't segregation?

(And please don't tell me that segregation only exists if its 100 per cent segregated. That would be just too lame an argument.)

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:55 PM
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26. It specifically says Muslim inmates are being comingled with non-Muslims in those units
(And please don't tell me that segregation only exists if its 100 per cent segregated. That would be just too lame an argument.)

Nice job of poisoning the well, but it is not true that the isolated units contain only Muslims or that all Muslims are being isolated.

Maybe a higher percentage of the Muslim inmates are perceived to pose threats that merit that kind of isolation.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:38 PM
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27. Your argument is indeed lame
As much as I'd find it fascinating to learn what exact percentage you think is needed to justify use of the word "segregation", truth is, I'm not actually all that interested in this.

Have you any thoughts on any of the points in my posting above, to which you ostensibly replied?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 10:00 AM
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29. Your post is such utter nonsense it's not worth even attempting to reply
:argh:
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 10:33 AM
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30. Yeah right.
For the reference of any remaining readers, here is the posting Slackmaster feels is "utter nonsense" and not worth replying to:

When any country sets up separate incarceration facilities for radicals, criminals, and political activists from a particular religion, I admit, I get a bit jumpy.

I find it particularly worrisome when the country engaged in this segregation is known to jail people in huge numbers without proper due process, to put prisoners in harsh jails, to abuse and torture them with impunity, to deny them their basic human rights, and to systematically and lie and mislead the public about how they are treating prisoners.


- B
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:38 PM
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38. LOL. Convenient paraphrase. It says "subsequent to media scrutiny" they moved in "balancers."
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:34 PM
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37. Self delete.
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 12:35 PM by No Elephants
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:31 PM
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36. Depends on how you define "fair." No one gives up Equal Protection.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:11 PM
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40. There's no evidence on the table here that anyone has actually been denied Equal Protection
HTH
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 05:21 PM
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42. When the hell did DU need facts?
Seriously.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 05:57 PM
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45. Some seem to need them less than others. Posts with no substance for example, require no facts.
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 06:02 PM by No Elephants
Seriously. Ditto straw person posts.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 05:48 PM
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44. Um, I was replying to your post saying people gave things up when imprisoned.
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 05:55 PM by No Elephants
And there's no evidence on the table here that anyone has NOT actually been denied Equal Protection, either. The SCOTUS has found violations when a law or poliy, neutral on its face, impacts a minorioty adversely and disproportionately.

However, as stated, I never said anyone had been denied Equal Pro. I was merely pointing out an omission in your prior post, so don't be unkind to straw persons. They deserve to rest.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:38 PM
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:56 PM
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39.  "for the past three years " eom
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