Powell Cautions Kennedy on Iraq Remarks

[wtmusic]

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell cautioned Sen. Edward M. Kennedy to be more careful in criticizing the war in Iraq after the Massachusetts Democrat called the conflict "George Bush's Vietnam."

Kennedy "should be a little more restrained and careful in his comments because we are at war," Powell said Tuesday on Fox News Radio's "Tony Snow Show."

Powell said debating the Iraq war was appropriate and an important part of American democracy. But, he said, "this is the also the time that we rally the nation behind the challenge that we face in Iraq and Afghanistan."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040407/ap...

No Colin, if anything--this is the time when rational people should be less restrained about criticism of the war.

[skooooo]

1. Censor the senator?

I don't think so!

[saigon68]

39. COLON BOWEL CAN GO PERFORM UNNATURAL ACT ON SELF

What about My Lai? Oh, he forgot ---"Moran"

[Merlin]

67. Wouldn't work. Not even for an engineering major.

Remembering the Wood-man's early standup routine.

[saigon68]

77. COLON BOWEL THROWS hissy Fit

[The Zanti Regent]

82. Powell's indictment c/o the Black Commentator

http://www.blackcommentator.com/80/80_cover_haiti.html

Colin Powell is “the most powerful and damaging black to rise to influence in the world in my lifetime.” – TransAfrica founder Randall Robinson

[Sagan]

2. "Watch what you say, watch what you do..."

You don't want to end up like Wellstone, do you Ted?

The gall of the Bushistas is staggering.

[phantom power]

9. I'll never forget that

I, for one, will never forget Fleischer telling us all to "watch what we say, watch what we do.

In my view, that was one of the defining moments of this presidency, and Powell is just confirming my suspicions.

How anybody could have heard that, and not been completely creeped out by it, is beyond me.

[sidpleasant]

34. "You can't spell 'liar' without A, R, I"

To quote a long - ago Top 10 Conservative Idiots.

Apparently the White House has edited the official transcript of that press briefing to remove Ari's threat from the historical record. Down the memory hole ...

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

86. Nope, it's here on the WH website (Press Sec Briefings):

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/2001092...


Q As Commander-In-Chief, what was the President's reaction to television's Bill Maher, in his announcement that members of our Armed Forces who deal with missiles are cowards, while the armed terrorists who killed 6,000 unarmed are not cowards, for which Maher was briefly moved off a Washington television station?

MR. FLEISCHER: I have not discussed it with the President, one. I have --

Q Surely, as a --

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm getting there.

Q Surely as Commander, he was enraged at that, wasn't he?

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm getting there, Les.

Q Okay.

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm aware of the press reports about what he said. I have not seen the actual transcript of the show itself. But assuming the press reports are right, it's a terrible thing to say, and it unfortunate. And that's why -- there was an earlier question about has the President said anything to people in his own party -- they're reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do. This is not a time for remarks like that; there never is.

[swag]

3. Powell should have been a little more restrained

and careful in his remarks (before the UN and elsewhere) that helped get us into this war.

Fuck Colin Powell. He has done a lot of damage to US diplomatic credibility and integrity.

[Catfight]

27. EXACTLY, well said Swag!

Colin Powell should be reminded what country he's in.

[Beetwasher]

4. FUCK YOU COLIN YOU PIECE OF SHIT!

Is that a threat you fucking traitor???

[IrateCitizen]

11. Don't hold back, Russ -- let it ALL out!

You're right, though -- Colin Powell now has absolutely ZERO credibility. He gave up what remaining integrity he had left when he not only gave that false testimony to the UN last year, but when he actually had them cover Guernica before he gave a press conference last year.

[Beetwasher]

17. How DARE He?!?

If that's not a threat against Kennedy I'll be damned!

Colin needs to shut the fuck up, suit up and get on the front lines, WITHOUT BODY ARMOR LIKE THE REST OF OUR BOYS HAVE TO!

Bottom feeding scumbag...

[Octafish]

69. FUCK YOU, COLIN POWELL!

I had some respect for you, but it disappeared the day you agreed to support the unelected turd from Crawford.

BTW: Fuck you, Bush!

[BOSSHOG]

5. Pathetic human beings

"We are at War." And we shouldn't be dumbass, because the war was started so bush would profit politically and personally; however that master plan is unraveling.

Anyone talking against the war is unpatriotic. Blow me Colin. You and your kind are unpatriotic for getting our kids killed because you and your kind lied. Ratchet it up Senator Kerry. And Colin had to go talk to little tony snow, what a fucking slut for bush he is.

[zbdent]

29. ARE WE at war? I thought W declared victory 5/1/2003!

Rewritten to say "major combat operations" were over.

Of course that was long before Saddam actually was captured, and over 400+ US lives and uncounted thousands of Iraqi lives ago.

[Cocoa]

6. Colin "don't go there" Powell

he's making a career out of telling people what not to say.

[Just Me]

35. Anti-democracy "bosses" equal tyrants,...

,...in my book. He has no more right or authority to tell the people's representatives what they can or cannot say than I have to tell him what to say.

[bif]

7. What a dissapointment you are Colin.

If you kept your gob shut, we woudn't be in this mess.

[NWHarkness]

8. So debating the war is part of American democracy...

just as long as no one criticizes the Bush regime.

When are people going to wake up to the fact that Powell is just one more authoritarian thug?

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

10. Hey! I didn't know we were at

WAR!!!!!!!!!
When did we declare war on Iraq? I must've slept through that vote.

[Catfight]

28. Yeah, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" There's no war.

[central scrutinizer]

12. just pull out the tapes of Lott, et.al. during Kosovo

"You can support the troops without supporting the President"

[bobthedrummer]

13. He is trying to legitimize the neo-con Bush Doctrine of "pre-emption"

what any loyal PNAC militarist nazi should do.

[seemslikeadream]

70. bob

[rock]

14. We are at war

A war of bushsucks* own making. How conVEENient.

[DinahMoeHum]

15. Blow me, Colin. You used up your credibility a long time ago.

(too bad we don't have the "f**k-you" smilie anymore)

[bluedog]

16. Colon Powell

you sir a a liar and made a fool of yourself and the people of the United States over your dog and pony show with your so called proof of WMDS.you know that vile you had? Sick it up your ass LIAR

[Zomby Woof]

18. Colon Blowell

Soulless POS.

[Bozita]

19. Kennedy's Monday speech is available at C-SPAN's website

here's the viewing link:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/iraq/iraq040504_brookin...

[Amaya]

20. Or What???

Go fuck yourself... you piece of shit good for nothing turdbag

[Zerex71]

21. Really Colin?

Perhaps you should take your own advice and tone down your war rhetoric and your bulls**t spewing at the UN. Maybe that will alleviate some of the "unpatriotic talk" that real leaders like Kennedy use. Just a thought.

[leesa]

22. Make up yer mind Colin...we are at war...we aren't at war

We're at war whenever it's politically expedient for them. We aren't at war whenever things like POWs or war crimes are brought up.

[Catfight]

30. He'll just say he misspoke. Damn Repugs can't get their stories straight!

[Hand]

23. Hey, Colon...

Caution THIS, you lying sack of shit!

Hey, where's the fingers smiley when you need it? Oh well...

[livetohike]

24. Outrageous!

He is cautioning a senior senator to keep his mouth shut!! I wonder what Sen. Kennedy's reply will be?

[xultar]

25. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Truth Hurts don't it Bee-I-ATCH!!!

[tabasco]

26. You rotten un-American piece of human garbage.

You knowingly lied to start a war your cronies said would be a cakewalk. Now you try to silence the patriotic citizens who condemn your criminal acts. I will not be happy until I see these criminals in chains.

[Catfight]

31. I second that! n/t

[David__77]

32. I cannot state my characterization of Powell here.

But it is not flattering. He has certainly betrayed the hopes of many people.

[frylock]

85. i think belafonte summed it up pretty well

[wryter2000]

33. Fuck you, Powell

Fuck you, you murderous bastard. You ought to be apologizing for all your lies instead of criticizing anyone else.

[BiggJawn]

36. My oh my My Lia....

Go pound sand and suck my ass, "General" Bowel, and take your pond-scum-sucking, "cheerleading" son over at the FCC with you.

Lemme tell you, Colon, I once thought that you were the ONLY "principled" one in that whole den of thieves, but y'know what? You dance for Wolfie and Rummy and the rest of the PNAC rat-bastards just like that sock-puppet you don't want us to criticize.

In other words,
If we "shut the fuck up", then the Terra-ists win, don't they?

[Terran]

37. Powell: who the fuck are we at war WITH?

I get so sick of this putrid fiction that we're "at war" and therefore we all just need to shut up and go home. We're not at war with the nation of Iraq and we never were--we just invaded their country, kicked their military's ass and took over and now we say we're liberating the people of Iraq. So who the hell *are* at war withm, Colin? Al Qaeda? I must have missed that one, because we haven't done much about them recently.

Fucking liar.

[yellowcanine]

38. It is time for Powell to resign.

He allowed himself and his better judgement to be manipulated for the political purposes of the * administration and his presentation to the U.N. was made up of total fabrications. If he has a shred of dignity left he will resign and stop shilling for the * administration.

[apnu]

45. I thought he was supposed to resign in December.

What happened to that?

[yellowcanine]

61. I think that is December, 2004 - hopefully the American people will make

that a moot issue by voting out *.

[74dodgedart]

40. "Kennedy should lie, like I did when I spoke to the UN"

Thanks Colin

[IndianaGreen]

88. But, but, but Colin said that those were WMDs trailers

The man that tried to cover up My Lai would not purposely lie, would he?

[TrueStory]

41. Reminder - Hermann Goering at Nuremberg on 18th April, 1946

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWgoring.htm

(11) Gustave Gilbert, an intelligence officer, interviewed Hermann Goering at Nuremberg on 18th April, 1946.

We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

[wildmanj]

42. powell

COLIN POWELL = BUSH BOOT LICKER and to think at one time I thought him to be a great American

[wtmusic]

43. It's interesting that Powell assumes the comment is a criticism

So Vietnam wasn't a worthy cause, then?

[Q]

44. Kennedy or Powell - - which one was actually ELECTED...

...by the PEOPLE to represent them? Certainly not the appointed Powell...who seems willing to lie TO the people in order to advance Bush's* questionable agenda.

[PurityOfEssence]

46. I guess Junior could always designate him an "Enemy Combatant"

That'd show him.

What nobody ever asks these thugs when they snort that people should be more "careful" is "or else what?". He can't be canceled like Bill Maher...

At least I don't think so...

[maddezmom]

47. Kennedy should call for Powell's resignation for lying to the UN

about chemical labs in Iraq and the phony vial he held up. Where are the WMD colin?

[jobycom]

48. Poor Powell. He hasn't figured out yet he's lion food?

Once Rice takes the blame for 9-11, Powell will be fed to the lions over Iraq, and Bush and Rumsfield will smirk about it over drinks at the country club.

Powell shouldn't be angering Democrats at this point. He should be making allies.

[Coventina]

49. Coventina Cautions Powell on

BEING AN UN-AMERICAN, LYING, CORRUPT, COWARDLY PIECE OF SHIT!

YOU MOTHER FUCKER! HOW DARE YOU LECTURE ANYONE?!?!?!?!
YOU HELPED GET US INTO THIS MESS, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING TO GET US OUT OF IT YOU USELESS HUNK OF DUNG?!?!?!?

YEAH YOU POWELL, COME AND GET ME YOU DICKHEAD, ARREST ME BECAUSE I'M TORN TO PIECES ABOUT THE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION THAT YOU BROUGHT ABOUT!!!!!

[devilgrrl]

50. Hey Colin... FUCK YOU!

Man, Harry Bellefonte so has it down in regard to this faker.

[jeanmarc]

51. Well, goooooooolllllllllllllllllllllleee, Gomer Powell!

Gomer Powell has it backwards. Right now is the time to step up the criticism of these enemies of democracy. WE TOLD YOU SO!!!! We told you that this would not work out well. We told you your 'evidence' was bullshit. We told you that this would create a hotbed of terrorism and we would be fighting guerrilla rebels in the streets. F&%k you, Gomer! This is an election year, and it is a mandate on Bush's misleadership. We are not going to get behind this Resident because we don't have to! I can't wait to watch Gomer get kicked out of power at the lowest point in his career. He should be ashamed of the role he is playing.

Hey Gomer, stay out of politics, you jackass!

[0007]

52. Yeah Colin let's talk about war, let's talk about Vietnam

Can we talk about your cover up of the Mylai incident or your lies to the UN on February 03?

http://www.commondreams.org/views/122600-103.htm

[samsingh]

53. a shrubee talking about restraint????!!!!

hypocrasy at its boldest.

[Bandit]

54. Teddy Roosevelt may have disagreed

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly as necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

[teryang]

55. Critique of Kennedy's speech misses mark

Kennedy's speech before the Rand audience (televized on Cspan in the middle of the night) was on DOMESTIC POLICY not foreign policy. He systematically and articulately portrayed the repuke domestic program as a tissue of misrepresentation and deception.

No child left behind, an unfinanced mandate sabatoging our school system; chimp tax policy favoring the most wealthy while creating a devastating deficit; a fraudulent medicare scheme passed by bending rules, bribery and intimidation, enriching pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies at the expense of the elderly while pushing many of those already covered off the rolls or into more expensive schemes.

He didn't spend any time on Iraq and discussed it only in passing. This was a major attack on the domestic program of this regime and there has been no answer whatsoever to his indictment of their fraudulent programs based upon sound bites and flim flam.

[teryang]

58. Where is the domestic cabinet?

Why haven't they responded to Kennedy's speech on the deceptive and unfair domestic policies of this administration. That's what the Rand speech was about, not Iraq.

Do we even have a domestic cabinet?

[tlcandie]

56. Now let's see if this shuts him up or makes him come out fighting even

harder...! What a dipshit colon is

We never declared war on Iraq to my recollection .. it was Iraqi Freedom or something like that Additionally, 'Mission Accomplished' according to this admin LONG time ago...so WHAT war, eh? So, in essence it really was a war, but they didn't tell us? More lies and I'm shocked? NOT!

[The Stranger]

57. Powell is violating his oath to uphold the Constitution.

He needs to be reprimanded or removed from office immediately.

[tom_paine]

60. That's nothing new to him.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story13.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-...

[tom_paine]

59. COLON FOUL HAS NO ROOM TO CRITICIZE ANYONE!

Fuck YOU, Clono Foul! You odious, disgusting liar, disgracing yourself before the UN with that odious lie-filled dossier of fabrications and plagarism is one of the low-points of American History, and ranks up with Benedict Arnold giving the West Point Plans to the Birtish, and with the My Lai Massacre that you help cover up --- I'm sure the Bushevik Scum LOVED that you were such a loyal adept and African-American Liar.

Gave 'em cover. You aren't one of them, you know. If you ever dared oppose them, Bootlicker, in the slightest, you'd find that out lickety-split.

But having THAT much strength of character hasn't made you the Imperial Toady that you are today, has it?

This one's for you, Colon...



WE AREN'T SCARED OF YOUR BLUSTER, YOU TOADY! GO SELL IT TO THE CHI-COMS!

[Stuckinthebush]

62. They are trying that tired old line...

Don't criticize the president because we are at war!

How convenient....Bush commits us to a war that is FUBAR from the beginning, and we can't criticize him for doing it.

Nice.

[Avalux]

63. Truth hurts, doesn't it?

FYI Colin - this is NOT Nazi Germany. Go to hell and take the others with you.

[calimary]

64. Kennedy's number is busy - which means either he's getting lots of

Thank-You calls for speaking truth to power, or the freepers are waging another phone war...

Guys - he's gotta hear from US, TOO! We need MORE of this. Not LESS!

Note my sig line - TOLL FREE...

[pfitz59]

65. Senate should censor Powell.

He has crossed the line. Of course Senator "Medicare Shakedown" Frist is unlikely to support the Constitution at this, or any other juncture! I suppose Spineless Tom Daschle will also bow before the mighty Colonic!

[lumpy]

66. This beats all hell

The audacity of Powell admonishing Sentor Kennedy, a man who has served his country so well and has proved to be a valiant voice for the truth and a TRUE patriot for our country and our Constitution.
I am so damned angry I echo the sentiemts expressed by the members of this forum. Powell be damned for being a traitor to the Constitution and true American values.

[truthisfreedom]

68. rethugs are constantly telling us to stifle ourselves, using every chance

to create the image of Democrats as Edith Bunkers. message to mr. powell: now is your opportunity to go one step further than claiming your speech to the UN MAY HAVE BEEN BASED ON FAULTY INTELLIGENCE and PLAINLY coming out and admitting that you have been LYING and COVERING for a PACK OF CRIMINALS. what do they have on you, colin? did you have an affair? whatever it is, colin, it's not worth the future of the United States.

[ElementaryPenguin]

71. Would that happen to be a BFEE threat, by any chance, Colin Pyle??

FUCK YOU, YOU TREASONESS PIECE OF SHIT!!

WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, GET IN UNIFORM, HOP INTO A HUMMER - AND YOU GO DO SOME FIGHTING IN IRAQ!!!

[malachi]

72. "the time that we rally the nation." My ass!

Powell is the worst out of all these cretins. He's a military man, he knew that they were sending troops into a no win situation. He is rsponsuble for all those who perish and maimed, American, Iraqi, "coalition." He knew better and chose to keep quiet. What a piece of shit. Oh, and by the way, Fuck you, colin old chap, may you rot in hell.

[schultzee]

73. F^^^^ Powell. He lost his honor and integrity long ago with Bush.

[Peachhead22]

74. An apointee of the executive branch...

...berating and basically saying watch what you say" to an elected member of the legislative branch for what, about 30 years.

That seems to me to be a far, far larger separation of powers issue than anything that could happen with Condi, Shrub or Cheney and the non-congressional 9/11 commission.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

75. Colon should have been more restrained in going to war in the first place

...a valid reason would have been helpful.

[Az_lefty]

76. Be Quiet......

No is allowed to talk about the elephant in the living room!

[SemperEadem]

78. rally behind the lie you tried to put over on the UN, you mean?

wasn't it you, Powell, who made the big stink of WMD's only to have to admit that your information was baseless and butt-stupid.

[Barkley]

79. Cullin' Powell

He needs to go!

Powell won't intimidate Kennedy but he statements are meant to "scare off" other powerful critics.

And if Kennedy continues with his criticisms what's going to happen?

Last week, the U.S. shuttered an Iraqi newspaper on alleged remarks it made against the colonial occupation. Now those same tactics are being tested here.

The Iraqis have clearly rejected the U.S. occupation; we Americans must do the same.

[nolabels]

80. When dudes at the my jobs lunch table start bringing it up............

who are mostly apolitical, my thinking it has past the litmus test.

The don't even hesitate, they comment the price of gas will go up. Taking a very contrite view on it all, with their thinking * was a big fool go into there in the fist place.

[fryguy]

81. This coming from the same blow-hard

who responded to congressional questioning with "Don't go there..."??

[callous taoboy]

83. Since when

do intelligent people NOT call "bullshit" when they see it? Even you called "Bullshit" at one point as we were led into this trap, Mr. Powell.

[Manix]

84. .....take advice from a pathetic liar?

[struggle4progress]

87. Nice trick ...

Make sure we're "at war" through an election season and claim any criticism of the Administration is therefore inappropriate.