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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:51 AM
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Ukrainian troops pull out of Iraqi town after clashes with Shia militiamen
LATEST: Ukrainian troops pull out of Iraqi town after clashes with Shia militiamen. More soon.

Only on the BBC ticker right now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/default.stm

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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:05 AM
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1. One more shiite city to fall
which one will be next?
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:53 AM
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2. CNN showed our tanks 'moving in,' but troops headed back out...
Don't we have a word (retreating) for that?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:18 AM
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3. cowards. it's back to old Europe for you
let's rank them, shall we?

Spain
Ukraine
France
Belgium
Germany
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:29 AM
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4. The Coalition of the....
Not-quite as willing as we once were (translated from the Ukrainian)

....thanks for the cash infusion and all George, but y'know, this is getting to be quite a bit more involved than you promised us. So we're getting outta here.

Oh, and George? Don't ask us anymore favors, ok? In fact, don't even call us anymore.

Love to your Dad...
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:10 AM
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6. Don't make those wise-ass comments
The placement of Ukrainian troops in Iraq was never agreed by ukrainian public, it was the job of the same political mafia in power in Ukraine as in US. Now the Supreme Rada of Ukraine is planning to call those troops back home, never willing, never will.
Sorry, but this year Ukrainian contingent in Iraq is being paid by ukrainian funds. You put your government in a very high esteem if you think they pay for all the expenses everywhere in the world, cause they don't!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:19 AM
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8. Is that sarcasm?
http://www.infoukes.com/rfe-ukraine/2003/0326.html

<snip>It is not clear for the time being who will bear the costs connected with the deployment of the Ukrainian battalion in Kuwait. "Ukrayinska pravda," referring to the above-mentioned memo, reported that the United States is expected to finance the deployment, paying $5.8 million to ship the Ukrainian troops and equipment to Kuwait, $50,000 for feeding them while in transit, and $700,000 to support the battalion for every month it spends in the Persian Gulf.

Furthermore, the weekly "Grani" reported on 24 March that President Kuchma's decree of 21 March ordering the redeployment of the NBC battalion to Kuwait includes an interesting provision instructing the government "to prepare the Odesa-Brody oil pipeline for transporting Iraqi and Middle Eastern oil to Europe." (Jan Maksymiuk)

more

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:21 AM
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10. actually not high esteem
We don't hold BushCo in high esteem for bribing other countries to join them on the big Iraq adventure at all. In fact, those that took the bribes are held in as low esteem as BushCo, almost.

Julie
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:35 AM
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11. Easy there...
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 11:37 AM by CaptainClark23
I was making reference to the well known fact that many States were coerced into joining the coalition by the promise of financial incentives from the United States. Participating states would get preferential foreign aid, as well as first bids on the sure to be lucrative contracts coming out of the democratised Iraq.

Would have been foolish to imply that Ukraine's forces were being paid for by US. It doesn't work that way. But if you don't think there are healthey subsidies and back channel cash flows in effect, you are mistaken.

Spain's public never approved involvement either, but the Spanish troops are there. Ukraine different somehow? please advise.

BTW, I will make whatever comments I please within the rules and standards of this forum. I welcome you to challenge those comments but don't tell me not to make them. If it is the tone that offended you, my regrets.

I feel that part of Ukraine's reason for the desicion to send troops to Iraq goes back to the the sale of anti-aircraft radar systems to Saddam a couple of years ago, for which they took alot of heat.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:21 AM
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9. Don't call us, George, we'll call you.
You said the only shooting would be at wedding celebrations and that wasn't daisies those Shiites were throwing at us!
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:03 AM
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5. Strategic advance to the rear..
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:13 AM
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7. Good for them
Why would they want to die and kill for Bush's war?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:39 AM
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12. so now Kut is liberated as well
it would appear that they are shaking off their occupation just as quickly as they were shackled with it..
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 12:38 PM
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13. Telegraph UK story - must register to see story
Shia militia takes city as Ukrainians flee


Ukrainian troops surrendered the eastern city of Kut to Shia militants yesterday, abandoning civilian officials, including 13 Britons who escaped under fire, coalition sources said.

A South African security contractor was killed in the fighting and his body is said to have been left in the city.

The retreat of the Ukrainian contingent, against the orders of the US military commander in Iraq, has privately infuriated coalition leaders.

The capture of Kut, a provincial capital of about 380,000 people, marks the biggest victory scored by the radical Shia cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, since he ordered his Mahdi army militia to launch an uprising at the weekend.

Fighting was so fierce - with about 50 rocket propelled grenades fired at the coalition compound - that US air support was called in to help. But this failed to prevent the defenders' retreat.

Ukraine's defence ministry said: "At the request of the Americans, and to preserve the life of our military, the commander of the Ukrainian contingent decided to evacuate the civil administration staff and Ukrainian troops from Kut."

A spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), the civilian arm of the occupation government, denied the troops had abandoned civilian officials.

However, well-placed coalition sources said the Ukrainians had left the civilians to fend for themselves, protected only by lightly armed private security contractors. They added that the troops had pulled out against the orders of the US commander, General Ricardo Sanchez.

...snip...

The fighting in Kut, a predominantly Shia city on the river Tigris, began at about 3pm on Tuesday, when the CPA compound came under fire. The attackers were held back by private guards from British and American security firms. A 60-man Ukrainian detachment was also at the base, but its contribution was said to be unclear.

Three hours later, gunmen attacked a building housing five security personnel from another company, named as Hart. One of them, a South African, was killed.

At dawn yesterday, the situation worsened. The main body of the Ukrainian battalion, based in a camp across the Tigris from the CPA compound, made several attempts to reach the civilians, but was beaten back by the militia.

Coalition sources said the Ukrainian contingent in the CPA compound was ordered to leave about 6.30am to join the rest of the battalion for the retreat from Kut.

Coalition sources said the civilian officials made their own way out of the city in a convoy protected only by private guards. Four Hart security men escaped by stealing a car, but are thought to have had to leave the body of their comrade behind.

...snip...

The Kut fiasco marked the first time coalition forces have abandoned their positions.

Until the radical cleric Sadr launched his revolt on Saturday, Kut had been a relatively quiet spot where attacks on coalition forces or civilians were rare.

Sadr's militia have proved to be a far stronger military force than the coalition had believed. By last night, they were effectively in control of Kut and the town of Kufa. Sadr, meanwhile, was surrounded by his followers at a shrine in the holy city of Najaf.

His insurrection has spread to at least four other cities, including the Shia slums of eastern Baghdad.

The coalition had viewed Sadr, 30, as an inexperienced, impulsive leader. But he has shown the ability to launch effective military strikes in several places at once.
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