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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:04 AM
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Early returns: voters say NO to Wal-Mart
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 12:06 AM by jburton
Early returns show voters leaning away from Wal-Mart measure
ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer
Tuesday, April 6, 2004
2004 Associated Press

URL: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2...


(04-06) 21:56 PDT INGLEWOOD, Calif. (AP) --

A ballot measure supported by Wal-Mart so it can build a giant Supercenter store in this Los Angeles suburb was trailing early Wednesday with about a third of precincts counted.

With 10 of 29 precincts reporting, Inglewood voters were opposing the initiative, with 70.1 percent against and 29.8 percent voting 'yes,' said Gabby Contreras of the city clerk's office.

Residents of the working-class community went to the polls after days of debate over the measure, which opponents said would clear the way for Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to build its planned Supercenter store while skirting zoning, traffic and environmental reviews.

The ballot initiative would circumvent a City Council decision against building the large store, a battle that has pitted religious leaders, community activists and unions against the world's largest retailer.

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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:06 AM
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1. Woot!
:toast:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:07 AM
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2. Good.
Fuck Wal-Mart and its abuses.

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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:08 AM
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3. Excellent
Screw Wal Mart and their attempted end run around the law.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:09 AM
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4. 15 of 29 reporting | NO 67.8 | YES 32.1
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:09 AM
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5. thank you, I've been wondering how this
would turn out. To hell with the corporate
predators. Good for the people of Inglewood! :toast:
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:11 AM
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6. I do so hope this margin holds up
A 7 out of 10 rejection would be lovely. The Today show was practically jubilant that WalMart had thought up this strategy, sneering at the "unions that try to prevent freedom of choice."
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:15 AM
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7. As was pointed out in a post above with more than half precincts reporting
the margin is greater than 2 to 3 against.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:19 AM
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8. California! Eurkea!
Go Inglewood!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:29 AM
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9. A real kick in the pants to grabby maggots. Wonderful. n/t
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:29 AM
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10. Smart voters! Woo Hoo!
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:33 AM
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11. California
this almost makes up for you electing Arnold
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:34 AM
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12. 25 of 29 precincts reporting | 65.7 NO | 34.2 YES
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:38 AM
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14. Zam! The margin still sticks!
I was wondering if it would tumble later. Looks like it's still holding.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:42 AM
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15. it's getting SLIGHTLY closer
But I STRONGLY doubt that a 30 point spread will turn their way in the last four precincts.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:01 AM
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16. true
Getting closer, but just some tightening.

I would assume the early/absentee voting results that came in first were *overwhelmingly* anti-walmart, since unions were running get out the vote stuff, and the ultra-passionate tend to vote early.

Wal Mart spent a bazillion bucks for this, and it's NOT EVEN CLOSE!!

Now for November!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:07 AM
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18. Excellent!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:37 AM
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13. take the money to run ;-)
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 12:38 AM by bpilgrim
maybe thats the 'new' industry... sucker wall mart into thinking we will help them move in, suck up all the marketing dollars we can then say

PSYC!



:evilgrin:

peace
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:57 AM
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17. Good Work Inglewood citizens!!
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:25 AM
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19. CONGRATS to Inglewood voters .... you rock!!!!!
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Fitzovich Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 06:58 AM
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20. Yipppe!
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polazarus Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:19 AM
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21. What about
The mayor that supported Wal-Mart. In an area where the un-employment rate of young adults is about 16-25 percent (quote from mayor) the sales tax alone could have supported improving Inglewood. Also, it would have provided a great anchor for other business to come to Inglewood which its residence would actually spend money in Inglewood instead of going somewhere else. Lets face it, Wal-Mart will just go find a City that will let them build and they will get the projected 3 million a year in sales tax. The jobs that it creates are starter jobs yes. But it can be a vehicle for someone to work, go to school, and better themselves. Well Inglewood, your neighboring cities thanks you.

One last question, Mr. Jackson, where is Inglewood's 3 million dollars?

Maxine, what ever happened to "No Jobs No Peace".

Maxine you just disenfranchised your constituents and I blame you for the lack of jobs for your district.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:14 PM
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30. Sales tax? Surely you jest. WalMart wrote its own exemption for that.
WalMart is an economic parasite, and they work at least a short-term rebate on all sales tax into every deal they cut with every municipality. I'm glad they had their asses handed to them on this one.
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polazarus Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 06:36 PM
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36. Do you have a copy
of the proposal for Inglewood?
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:17 PM
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31. And....
As to your thoroughly bogus comment that this "robbed" the area of jobs--with WalMart there's always a net loss of living-wage jobs, thanks to all the local stores they drive out of business. And then there's the matter of how they encourage their employees to go on public assistance for food stamps and healthcare--let the taxpayer pay for the benefits they should be obligated to provide.

That's one evil fucking company.
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polazarus Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 06:34 PM
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35. What companies in Inglewood
were going to be affected by this? What did they win?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:56 PM
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33. Walmart doesn't make new jobs, they replace higher paying with lower
You support Walmart and what they do to communities?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:01 PM
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39. Spend money in Wal-Mart, it goes to Arkansas
..
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polazarus Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:50 PM
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43. Ya know
I forgot that I was supposed to hate corporations at all costs. Stick it to the man... My fault. I will stay within the DU talking points.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:22 AM
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22. Except for your present
Governor, you California citizens normally have a clue. I wish I lived somewhere in which the locals could understand they are being conned. Alas.
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:50 AM
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24. What about the Mayor of Inglewood
Let me start off by saying that occassionally I do shop at Wal-Mart. Before I get browbeatten about this, I do understand the problems with Wal-Mart employees and I am deeply sympathetic but boycotting the store isn't going to do any good. Even the Commercial & Grocery Workers Union organizers do not boycott the place--their local officers shop their too so don't start criticizing me. That be as it may, I was flabberghasted when I heard that Wal-Mart was trying to do an end-run around the P&Z process and essentially was holding a private election -- which folks this is exactly what this was -- what is going to happen to the mayor now? He was behind this thing.

PS - In Seminole County, Florida a few years ago when Wal-Mart was trying to build a superstore and got turned down, they talked a local man into running for City Commissioner and he got creamed!
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polazarus Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:45 AM
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28. According to what the mayor was saying
The city council and the town was ready to move on this. The grocery union helped elect some union friendly people to town council. After the new council took their place they rejected the WalMart proposal. The mayor then said after working for a year on the project with the town, the developer had no choice to put it to the people to vote. Well the rest is history...

The mayor also said that with the new tax base, the town can get some bonds to build a cultural center, upgrade the parks, and make the city a better place. He is also a retired Juvenile court judge which he knows that providing young people with a chance to work and earn a little money they would be off the street committing crimes and staying out of trouble and learning about work ethics. (His words)

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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:59 PM
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34. yup, too bad you won't be getting that cultural center
paid for by the labor of 13 year-old bangledeshi children working 16 hour shifts for $0.03/hour sewing clothes for walmart

oh, well
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:41 PM
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38. Actually, if you were paying attention, you'd know that what you claimed
is disingenuous at best.

The public would have probably supported a Wallmart, for the jobs, etc. and the shiney new plaza of stores, but for a few "minor" details.

This piece of legislation would accomplish the following:

1) It be voted on with a simple majority determining the outcome. Within the legislation being voted upon (all 72 pages of fine print), to change this legislation, if it did become law, would require a super majority (75%) - not the same simple majority that would have passed it in the first place.

2) It would exempt Wallmart and Wallmart only from all city ordinances, planning, zoning, health and safety, labora rights, etc. - essentially creating it's own jurisdiction in the middle of the city, not having to answer to anyone.

3) There are some items regarding tax issues as well in there, that would essentially let Wallmart off the hook in paying some very important ones.

These are just a few of the more blatent things that this legislation would do.

And, just for your information, the unions are looking out for the best interests of the average worker - and the majority of the residents of this community. They are not "special interests". They properly represent the worker. However, Wallmart is certainly a "special interest", only looking out for its own interests, everyone else be damned.
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polazarus Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 01:57 AM
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44. Now what
The union folks won, so they seem to be the experts at economic development what are they going to do to re-vitalize the community. Heck everyone has an Axe to grind with somebody and in the end the poor get hurt.

Who is going to build there now? Give me solutions instead of more opinions and problems then maybe I will agree with what is being said in this thread.

Look, I am only talking about short term part time jobs for young people to work so they can go to school and get ahead and beat poverty, just like I did. Now I hear on the news that It is wrong for poor people to go into the military, it is wrong for poor people to work a part time non-union job. (I did all of this, and I am pretty successful now) Heck I even dug graves for 3 bucks an hour in the hot bamma sun. Before that I worked for a dollar an hour building houses. I was poor as a child and teenager and I know what it is like to have nothing in the refrigerator but some fat back and welfare cheese. I care about people not about some agenda. I am very passionate about this. That is why it is hard for me to back down.
POVERTY IS COLOR BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What in the past year has Maxine did for the poor in her district. What has Jackson done for the poor in South Central? NOTHING.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:45 AM
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23. Uh-Oh..this will wind-up in front of the SCOTUS for sure!
Or else Wally-World will just start building and tell Inglewood "TRY to stop us"
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:54 AM
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25. I think Wally-World fucked up big time
and really do not have any options at this point other than to move on and build someplace else.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:18 PM
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32. I'm not sure it can, since it was a voter initiative.
I don't think the courts can touch this one. They paid their (big-ass lobbying) money and they took their chances.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:55 AM
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26. I wouldn't be surprised in the least...
...if the Wal-Mart exec issued an executive order from Arkansas to build a supercenter anyhow, voiding a supermajority of voters. Corporations who nullify the will of the people are the rule :eyes:
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:06 AM
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27. Good going
Inglewood voters. :thumbsup:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:10 PM
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29. Let's hope that this is the start of a trend
Way to go, Inglewood!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:33 PM
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37. woohoo Inglewood!!!!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:38 PM
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40. I heard that WalMart Won!

Unless I missed something the voters voted FOR having the WalMart
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:43 PM
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41. No, they voted against it!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:48 AM
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45. Yea! Yea!



I heard it late last night! I was so happy that Inglewood saw the light!!!





Go Inglewood!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:58 AM
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46. So what will MalWart do now?
It seems like every time a community tries to stand up to MalWart, they throw a hundredweight of highly paid lawyers and lobbyists at the community to trash them and circumvent the will of the people a and the protections of the law. How long do you think it'll take MalWart to organize a counterattack?
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:46 PM
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42. What will Wal-Mart do?
How will they make ends meet after this crushing defeat? I kinda feel bad for em'
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NOT
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 09:41 AM
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47. Yea - poor WalMart


I think they will try to put yet another mega store in a minority area close to Inglewood. There are border areas such as parts of Compton and Carson that they could use that would work just as well.

At the moment, all the people from Inglewood join the masses of people at the Crenshaw area WalMart parking lot. It is criminal to see all the citizens piling into the tiny parking area. I have NEVER seen a Walmart with three floors and a fenced in parking lot like that one.

As an aside,one of the biggest events in the Los Angeles community is the "MLK Day Parade."
There are thousands and thousands of people that attend. As I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, that Walmart wanted to underwrite the parade for $40,000 + and the committee said, "NO."
That is a big clue.

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