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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:40 PM
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In Seattle stop, Nader bashes both parties as warmongers, corporate pawns
In Seattle stop, Nader bashes both parties as warmongers, corporate pawns

By David Postman
Seattle Times chief political reporter


LAURIE MATANICH / AP
Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader speaks
yesterday at Town Hall in Seattle, saying both Democrats
and Republicans are beholden to corporate interests.


Ralph Nader told a light crowd in Seattle yesterday that national Democrats and Republicans are warmongers captured by corporate interests.

He told supporters that neither party is worthy of their votes and instead they should show self-respect and vote their conscience, which he hopes means a vote for his independent presidential campaign.

In his first Northwest appearance since joining the presidential campaign, Nader put aside much of the complicated strategy he has touted in recent days to return to the bipartisan bashing that defined his 2000 campaign.

More at the Seattle Times
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:41 PM
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1. That pose . . .
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 11:41 PM by rwenos
. . . kinda reminiscent of the Pope, eh?

Makes you wonder what Ralph dreams about, or what he sees when he looks himself in the mirror in the morning.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:44 PM
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4. Almost every photo I've seen of him is in that pose
And ya... it does remind me of the Pope, although I am not sure if he's trying to copy his style.
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:49 PM
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8. More Like
. . . the scope of the Pope's power -- global, with a billion followers.

Isn't that pretty much the DSM-III definition of "megalomania"?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:20 AM
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19. "Anyone see my glasses"?
Hey, help me out here....."

God, I hate that man almost as much as Bush. What a pathetic egotist.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:00 PM
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29. i notice your msg doesn't respond to the substance of Nader's statement,
you're just making fun of his appearance and his personality.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:43 PM
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2. I like this picture better
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:44 PM
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3. When his biggest donners are Republicans
that says everything
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:47 PM
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5. Like THESE??????????????
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:50 PM
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9. There is a certain sense of irony to your sig & avatar
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 11:52 PM by Aidoneus
You say "thanks Ralph" for the war, but the guy you're backing supports that war, voted for it, continues to support the occupation and attacks those around the world that are opposed to it..

By a "certain" sense, I mean comically hypocritical and misdirected.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:59 PM
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13. It's FUN to watch hypocrisy in action!
The cognitive dissonance around here is loud enough to hear through the modem port...

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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:05 AM
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15. LOL...
Bravo!
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:45 AM
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20. Ha!
Methinks you should either ditch the avatar, or the sig.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:27 AM
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22. Your guy helped Junior get in office...
...and who knows where we would be if Gore had been allowed by the SCOTUS in 2000 to keep his victory.

I'm betting that 911 would never have happened and that the economy would STILL be roaring along at the 1990s pace.

Perhaps it is your comments instead that are "comically hypocritical and misdirected".
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:22 AM
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23. "My guy"?
I don't have one..
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:26 PM
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32. How is it that a person with the name "Media Lies Daily"...
...can so completely ignore the fact that Nader's role in the 2000 coup was cosmetic, at best?

You DO remember that the media - you know, the same media you rightly state lies daily - concluded that Gore still won the election, and then promptly buried that news in the back pages of the few rags it reported it in - overshadowed by the news of the Rockaway plane crash in New York, I might add?

Gore still won the election. Which means that blaming Nader is pointless, because Gore never lost in the first place!

I know you to be brilliant on many other points, but your desire to pin the illegal theft of an election that Gore won (even with Nader's run) on Nader is not one of your better moments.

Fact is, Nader ran, and Gore still won, and the election was stolen. We can hate Nader for any number of reasons, but he did not cost Gore the election. No matter how pissed you might be at Nader for running now (which I understand), that doesn't mean it's right to blame Nader for the Coup. His run may have made it easier to disguise the theft, but it was still a theft.

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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:53 AM
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24. Or might even implement a draft.
How else will he raise 40,000 more troops for Iraq? The way things are going, I doubt many would volunteer for this quagmire.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:50 PM
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30. We woldn't be in this position if Nader left Gore alone
There is NO WAY YOU CAN SPIN THAT, PERIOD!
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:47 PM
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6. It would be great to have a source for that . . .
. . . so I could read it for myself.

Can you help?
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:52 PM
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11. Google is your friend
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 11:54 PM by rabid_nerd
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-...

On Edit:

March 27th, 2004 Article:
http://www.news-leader.com/today/0327-Nadercontr-48541....

"Among the new crop of Nader donors: actor and former Nixon speechwriter Ben Stein, Florida frozen-food magnate Jeno Paulucci and Pennsylvania oil company executive Terrence Jacobs. All have strong ties to the GOP"
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:47 PM
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7. I agree with him in principle...
I really do, and I admire what he thinks he is trying to do.

But he has to help us slay the dragon before we can all fight amongst ourselves for the spoils....it's just too important this year.

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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:50 PM
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10. "Luxury Candidate"
Ralph is like a Coach briefcase, or a pair of Ferragamo shoes -- you might want 'em, but you gotta pay the rent and feed the kids instead.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:54 PM
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12. GOP Donors Double Dipping with Nader
And he has thinks he can lie away with his smash all party's on Special Interest bullshit. I'm telling ya, he's morphing in to on of them. It's sad.

Published on Saturday, March 27, 2004 by the Dallas Morning News
GOP Donors Double Dipping with Nader
Contributors deny that financial support is designed to hurt Kerry

by Wayne Slater

AUSTIN Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader is getting a little help from his friends and from George W. Bush's friends.

Nearly 10 percent of the Nader contributors who have given him at least $250 each have a history of supporting the Republican president, national GOP candidates or the party, according to computer-assisted review of financial records by The Dallas Morning News.

Among the new crop of Nader donors: actor and former Nixon speechwriter Ben Stein, Florida frozen-food magnate Jeno Paulucci and Pennsylvania oil company executive Terrence Jacobs. All have strong ties to the GOP.


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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 11:59 PM
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14. i voted my conscience when i voted Al Gore
i will vote my conscience and heart when i vote for my longtime favorite john kerry in november.

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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:13 AM
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16. It must be a trial being Ralph...so many wrongs, him faultless.
Ralph, get thee to a pharmaceutical donor, and not for money.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:17 AM
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17. Perhaps that's why St Ralph adopts the Pope-pose discussed above?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:18 AM
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18. good cop - bad cop
is the way it looks from here.

PERCEPTION is EVERYTHING

peace
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 06:42 AM
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21. By all means Ralph don't blame yourself.
I used to admire Ralph but he's beginning to get on my nerves. He's seems incapable of accepting his role in the last election. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected. So what the hell is he trying to prove this time? He'll never be anything more in this election than he was in the last, a spoiler.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:57 AM
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25. He is absolutely correct. Both will continue the oil wars for their
corporate masters. Both will continue the tradition of trouncing any country that doesn't tow the corporate line, like Venezuela. Kerry will practice colonialism-lite though, which is preferable to out-and-out fascism
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:11 PM
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28. Absolutley! I agree. Only thing I would add is that we need Nader
out here, helping us fight against this stuff. I hope he continues to use his candidacy to bring these issues to the forefront, but drop out before the elections.
I can hope, can't I?
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:57 AM
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26. right on, ralph!!
he's the only candidate to oppose bush's wars from the beginning. he didn't claim to be stupid, misled, unable to see the obvious that millions worldwide did prior to iraq like kerry does now to justify his craven cowing to dumbya
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:13 PM
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31. Ahem. Dean? Kucinich?
Anyone? Anyone?

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:39 AM
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27. I was at that event.
I agree with everything he said, and yet I have no idea why he's running for President.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 05:44 PM
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33. well surprise surprise surprise!
Gomer fucking Pyle could have seen that one coming
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