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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 01:33 AM
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Venezuela’s Chavez Confirms Handing Over Guerrilla Leader to Colombia
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 01:48 AM by Judi Lynn
Source: Latin American Herald Tribune

Caracas,
Thursday
December 30,2010
Venezuela’s Chavez Confirms Handing Over Guerrilla Leader to Colombia


CARACAS – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez confirmed handing over to Bogota fugitive Colombia rebel Nilson Teran and vowed his government “will not permit the incursion of any subversive Colombian element.”

“On that I’m very clear. We want peace in Colombia. We don’t want war, but neither are we going to permit the incursion of any subversive Colombian, terrorist, drug trafficking (or) guerrilla element. That problem is over there and I hope they find a road to peace,” Chavez said.

The president said that he is “obligated to safeguard the sovereignty of the country and the peace of all Venezuelans” during his yearend speech to a military garrison in which he also revealed that on Tuesday he had spoken with his Colombian counterpart, Juan Manuel Santos.

Chavez offered no details about the location or circumstances surrounding the capture of Teran, alias “Tulio.”




Read more: http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=382608&CategoryId=10717
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:01 AM
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1. The slow death of the ELN plays out.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:09 AM
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4. Very astute comment. Unusual on these boards. Thanks.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 12:41 PM
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7. Resisting to give Chavez credit for this is futile n/t
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 06:58 AM
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2. Chavez cooperating with the Right Wing savages in Colombia?
That is a horrible development. This Teran guy and his family is probably dead by now if he is in Colombia's hands. We all know what their "justice" is, a bullet in the back of the head and a shallow grave in the jungle.

Uribe, Santos, doesn't matter the name of who is in power in Bogota, it spells "fascist" either way.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:35 AM
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3. If they are fascist they get the US seal of approval.
If a leader wants decent wages for his people, he is leftist.

Mexico has a US approved president. The elections were fixed. Nothing but murder and drug trafficking.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:30 AM
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6. You don't have to approve of this, of course, but do try to understand it.
The latest strategy for "getting" Chavez--ousting him, destroying Venezuelan democracy, and also destroying the unity of leftist governments in the region--has been to try to draw Venezuela into a shooting war with Colombia. Since nothing else worked--not the 2002 U.S.-supported rightwing coup d'etat attempt, nor the 2003 U.S.-Exxon Mobil-supported oil bosses' lockout, nor the 2004 USAID-funded recall election, nor the 2005-2006 assassination/overthrow plot hatched in the U.S.-funded ($7 BILLION) Colombian military, nor the intense corpo-fascist 'news'/U.S. State Department anti-Chavez hate campaign running since 2002--all of these having failed, a new strategy was devised, circa 2007, to spread Colombia's 70-year civil war into Venezuela and Ecuador, creating region-wide chaos, and an excuse for U.S./Colombian incursions into these oil rich neighbor countries.

I won't go into the whole story--it is a long a complicated one--but it started with the treacherous Alvaro Uribe--the Bush Cartel's mafia tool in Colombia--publicly asking Chavez to negotiate with the FARC guerrillas for the release of hostages, which culminated in the U.S./Colombia dropping 500 lb. U.S. "smart bombs" on the temporary camp of the FARC's chief hostage release and peace negotiator, Raul Reyes, just inside Ecuador's territory in March 2008, slaughtering 25 sleeping people including Reyes. Ecuador sent troops to its border. So did Venezuela. War was looming. Brazil's Lula da Silva credits Chavez with preventing this war (called him "the great peacemaker"). The story doesn't end there. Uribe soon claimed that they had seized Reyes' laptop from the bombed out camp and that it contained "evidence" that Chavez and Ecuador's president, Correa, were "terrorist lovers"--were helping the FARC to obtain a "dirty bomb," etc.--wild charges that have been completely debunked, but that Uribe continued to make to his last days in office, when he presented these and other allegations to the OAS and demanded that "somebody" invade Venezuela (the U.S.? other Latin American countries? the UN?) to stop Venezuela from "harboring" FARC guerillas. Literally nobody believed any of these claims, and the moment that Uribe was out of office--I'm pretty sure personally ousted by CIA Director Leon Panetta--the new president of Colombia immediately invited Chavez to a peace pow-wow and they re-opened the borders and re-established trade.

The arc of this war plot--which I believe was designed by Donald Rumsfeld himself (there is evidence for it)--was to entice Chavez into more contact with the FARC than would normally occur between a head of state and an insurgent force that has been operating on his border for 70 years (the hostage release bait) and to use that contact to, a) hand Chavez a diplomatic disaster with dead hostages (failed), b) start a regional shooting war (failed) and c) slander Chavez and Correa and wreak political havoc in the region (largely failed--some benefit from the slander in the corpo-fascist press).

Now consider the stakes in this lethal chess game for Chavez, Venezuela, Ecuador and the region. Chavez doesn't want war, nor does anybody else except the war profiteers here and their rightwing Miami mafia nutball allies in the new Diebold/Puke Congress (who have already met with Latin America fascists and basically called for U.S. war on the Bolivarian countries). Chavez cannot give them an excuse. Our warmongers have been trying to set up a "Gulf of Tonkin"-type situation on the Colombian/Venezuelan border for three years now--whereby the Colombian military accompanied by U.S. military 'advisors' crosses the border claiming to be in pursuit of the FARC (as they rehearsed in Ecuador in 2008) and Venezuelan soldiers end up shooting at U.S. soldiers (of which there are about 1,500 in Colombia). That scenario, or something similar, is on the Big Board in the bowels of the Pentagon probably with a post-it note stuck to it saying "2012" (after they get rid of Obama and possibly Panetta and put the Bush Junta back in power).

THIS is why Chavez would turn a Colombian guerrilla fighter over to Santos. Chavez has a responsibility to his people and to the people of South America to foil U.S. war plans. The consensus among Latin America's leftist leadership is that--as John Lennon put it--"war is over (if you want it)." Former guerillas are now presidents of THREE Latin American countries (Brazil, Uruguay and Nicaragua). Even Castro has called for the FARC/ELN to put down their arms. There has never been more regional help available for a peaceful settlement of Colombia's 70-year civil war, and, while the new leftist leaders and other world leaders helping them failed to accomplish this in 2008 (with the hostage negotiations), there is renewed hope that it can be done.

I don't know if Obama/Clinton/Panetta are just laying the groundwork for another Bush Junta oil war--as Bill Clinton did on Iraq. It's quite possible that they are--that this peace with Colombia is only temporary, that it is a ploy, that one of its purposes was to re-open the border to infiltration and that the U.S. war machine intends to use the war assets that it has placed in an arc around Venezuela's northern oil provinces and Caribbean oil coast. There is plenty of reason to fear this. But the advantage right now is to peace and responsible leaders MUST seize it.

The last time Colombia's FARC guerrillas disarmed, about 5,000 of them were slaughtered by the Colombian military and its death squads. I can understand their reluctance to go through that again--and the U.S./Colombia bombing of Reyes (who was trying to broker a peace) smashed up those hopes. But it is still true, as I said, there has never been more of a chance for a successful disarmament, as now. Most of the governments in the region will be committed to that kind of treachery not occurring again, in a brokered peace. But to get there--to get to peace in Colombia--the new Colombia/Venezuela peace has to hold.

A 70-year civil war is a classic of the "cycle of violence" syndrome. It can only be stopped by STOPPING it. The violence MUST STOP. There can be no justice--it is not even conceivable--as long as the violence continues. I certainly know who has been committing by far the most violence--the Colombian military and its death squads--that is well documented--aided and abetted by the U.S. military (funding known; direct participation hidden). And I don't see any indication yet from Santos (who was Uribe's Defense Minister) that he intends to stop killing Colombians. But at least the use of Colombia's civil war as a front for U.S. war on Venezuela is in abeyance. Venezuela and the Latin American Left CANNOT let themselves get drawn into a war. This will destroy all justice and hope of justice. The trend in Latin America is now overwhelmingly for peace, for democratic elections and for regional unity and cooperation in repelling U.S. interference. All of this progress would surely be lost if U.S. warmongers have their way.
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:29 PM
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14. Excellent work. Recommend.
As always - best analysis!

PS and by-the-way. Well wishes for a great new year.

Times-they-are-a-changin'

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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:53 PM
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20. thank you, Peace Patriot....n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:20 PM
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24. Small correction: Lula wasn't a guerilla fighter. He was a union leader.
That was enough to get him arrested, though.

Dilma Rousseff WAS a guerilla fighter, but she won't be president for the next... 24 hours. ;)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:29 PM
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25. So glad to see your comments, and the remarks about the FARC slaughter.
Colombia also has a tradition of assassinating all the outstanding leftist President candidates going back to the 1940's. They even assassinated a political comedian the Army didn't like, as acknowledged by a narcotrafficking war lord, Carlos Castaño, who sent some of his assassins out on a motorcycle to shoot him in his car at a stoplight.

They don't allow ANY dissent, any opposition, any leftist groups, any leftist to become influential. They just kill them. What a great government we're financing with our tax dollars annually.

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 12:36 AM
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26. Excellently put.
K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 12:54 PM
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8. I don't like it. Colombia is a sewer. But, what are the alternatives?
If he were put in Venezuelan custody, the US would say Venezuela is colluding with the FARC.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:19 AM
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5. What, no anti-Chavez whiners posting? Amazing.
Just as expected from them.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 04:11 PM
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9. One swallow doesn't make a summer - and Chavez turning over
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 04:25 PM by COLGATE4
a leader from a languishing guerrilla group (ELN) doesn't speak to questions about his relations with FARC.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 05:35 PM
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10. I don't see anyone else doing better.
Maybe uribe is waiting until he finds a flock.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:15 PM
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13. Who else would you expect to be doing it?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 05:58 PM
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11.  "His relations with FARC" is State Department bullshit.
Every country that borders Colombia has the same problem, with Colombia's US funded disaster spilling over.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:15 PM
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12. Your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 08:58 PM
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15. Instead of offering your uninformed opinion you should simply spend the energy and time learning
about the subject you're attempting to discuss. That's why it's so damned easy for slick propagandists to pull the wool over the eyes of people who are not quick enough to realize they don't really know it all yet.
Chavez is right, Uribe is not
Saturday, 07 August 2010 13:16 José Maria Rodríguez González

At the end of Alvaro Uribe's last presidential term, Colombia's judiciary was investigating allegations that the president ordered the wiretapping of members of the judiciary and the opposition, as well as investigating the alleged corruption of one of Uribe's own sons. Caught in these cases, which are ongoing and not new, Uribe succeeded in diverting the attention of Colombia towards Venezuelan President Chavez with his accusations, which are also ongoing and nothing new.

Uribe is making believe that the International Criminal Court, the OAS, and the U.N. are going to hang Chavez for supporting terrorists. But Colombia is not a Jewish community, nor is Venezuela a Palestinian community, nor is Latin America the Middle East. The unequivocal international rejection of Operation Phoenix, Colombia's 2008 raid on a FARC camp in Ecuadorean territory, demonstrated the international recognition of the right of each Latin American country to sovereignty over their territory.

The question is, who is responsible for taking care of the Colombian border and fighting the FARC - Chavez? Venezuela is not unique. It is estimated that there are more than 100 FARC camps scattered throughout Brazil, 62 in Ecuador, 40 in Peru, and around 20 in Panama, according to information from different government sources. Even in those countries that say they attack FARC, such as Panama and Peru, the FARC maintains a presence. Are these countries also harboring terrorism?

In all of those cases, Colombia is unable to stop FARC guerrillas crossing into its neighbors' territory, and consequently it does not really have control of its own borders. This situation is Colombia's fault, not that of its neighbors. No bordering country has Colombia's capacity to fight the FARC. That Colombia can't control its borders doesn't make its neighboring countries terrorist collaborators. None of these countries can show that it fought and removed the FARC from their territory, and Chavez can't be the only one forced to take responsibility for what no country has been able to accomplish, even Colombia.
More:
http://colombiareports.com/opinion/153-jose-maria-rodriguez-gonzalez/11227-chavez-is-right-uribe-is-not.html

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:22 PM
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18. Here you go.
FARC has permanent bases in Brazil
http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/9746-farc-has-permanent-bases-in-brazil.html

On Ecuador's border, FARC rebels visit often (2008)
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2008/0310/p07s02-wogn.html

Colombian authorities to provide information on FARC camps in Peru
http://www.peruviantimes.com/tag/farc

Panama Caught Up in FARC Crisis
http://www.narconews.com/Issue51/article3029.html

Costa Rica seizes FARC cash as Interpol probes
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN17634919

If the State Department were really worried about who is supporting FARC, they'd stop sending millions of dollars to human rights violators in Colombia.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:09 PM
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22. Wow! Just saw your first link. It's a hot one! Allow me to copy and paste from it!
'FARC has permanent bases in Brazil'
Monday, 17 May 2010 06:22 Adriaan Alsema

Colombia's largest guerrilla group the FARC has permanent bases in Brazil, a Sao Paulo newspaper reported on Sunday, basing its allegations on leaked police reports.

According to O Estado de Sao Paulo, the police intelligence document warns of a FARC presence in the north-Brazilian jungle and claims that the guerrilla group coordinate the sale of drugs and purchasing of weapons from their Brazilian bases.

The drugs sold in Brazil allow the guerrillas to send cash, equipment, gasoline and chemical products to Colombia, where the guerrillas are at war with the State, the report says.

The leaking of the report follows the investigation of a Colombian guerrilla suspect in Brazil, who, together with seven Brazilians, is accused of trafficking drugs. According to the local authorities, the Colombian is either a member of the FARC or in direct contact with the guerrillas to coordinate the sale of cocaine and purchase of goods meant for the FARC.

More:
http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/9746-farc-has-permanent-bases-in-brazil.html

Now that's interesting! Thanks!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:22 PM
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17. tell us when you finally prove there is some collusion between Chavez and FARC
because after the last few years the right wing and corporate media keep implying that there is without any evidence. It's gotten old...
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:00 PM
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21. Treasury Targets Venezuelan Government Officials Supporting the FARC
Washington, DC--The U.S. Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) today designated two senior Venezuelan government officials, Hugo Armando Carvajal Barrios and Henry de Jesus Rangel Silva, and one former official, Ramon Rodriguez Chacin, for materially assisting the narcotics trafficking activities of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), a narco-terrorist organization.

"Today's designation exposes two senior Venezuelan government officials and one former official who armed, abetted, and funded the FARC, even as it terrorized and kidnapped innocents," said Adam J. Szubin, Director of OFAC. "This is OFAC's sixth action in the last ten months against the FARC. We will continue to target and isolate those individuals and entities that aid the FARC's deadly narco-terrorist activities in the Americas."

Hugo Armando Carvajal Barrios is the Director of Venezuela's Military Intelligence Directorate (DGIM). His assistance to the FARC includes protecting drug shipments from seizure by Venezuelan anti-narcotics authorities and providing weapons to the FARC, allowing them to maintain their stronghold of the coveted Arauca Department. Arauca, which is located on the Colombia/Venezuela border, is known for coca cultivation and cocaine production. Carvajal Barrios also provides the FARC with official Venezuelan government identification documents that allow FARC members to travel to and from Venezuela with ease.

Henry de Jesus Rangel Silva, the Director of Venezuela's Directorate of Intelligence and Prevention Services or DISIP, is in charge of intelligence and counterintelligence activities for the Venezuelan government. Rangel Silva has materially assisted the narcotics trafficking activities of the FARC. He has also pushed for greater cooperation between the Venezuelan government and the FARC.

More at: http://205.168.45.51/press/releases/hp1132.htm

Who is Henry Rangel Silva? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-12/chavez-promotes-venezuela-general-criticized-for-threat-against-opposition.html

Coincidence? Naahhhhh....



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:18 PM
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23. If the government says so, it must be true. n/t
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:16 PM
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16. Good for Chavez. n/t
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:23 PM
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19. Kick and rec...(nt)
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