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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:51 AM
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400 spend frigid night on A train in NYC nightmare
Source: AFL-CIO News Blog

By SAMANTHA GROSS

NEW YORK (AP) - It took hours for Christopher Mullen to get off a plane from sunny Cancun and on to a half-empty subway car, his only way home. It would be another eight hours and more - a night spent huddled under a thin blanket on the frigid, grungy car - before he could get off the A train.

His feet soaked to the bone, with no food, water and hardly any heat, Mullen and 400 others lived through a New York nightmare on an elevated subway track, one of hundreds of stories of hardship caused by the crushing snowstorm that dropped more than 2 feet of snow on the Northeast.

By the time they got on the subway shortly before 1 a.m. Monday near Kennedy Airport, Mullen and his girlfriend were well into their ordeal battling the blizzard of December 2010.

Their flight landed two hours late. With snow whirling around the terminal, the airport train was down. There were no taxis. Wearing just a light spring jacket, Mullen stood in the snow and attempted to dig his car out from long-term parking. The only result: feet and legs that were soaking wet.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20101228/D9KCL1480.html
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:59 AM
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1. Wonder if the blizzard will have the same effect on birth rates as the
power failure?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:02 AM
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3. Let's see, September '11.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:22 AM
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4. Hallowe'en babies. n/t
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:02 AM
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2. It makes me cold just to read that story.
Eighteen hours to get home!
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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:52 AM
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17. your baby looks like my baby
down to the white feet
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:08 PM
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25. My baby is getting old.
She is fourteen, and very spoiled. She was angry that so many people were in and out of the house on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. She hid under the bed for a couple of days. Then she bit my husband and tried to bite me. Usually she is very sweet, but we disrupted her tranquil home.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:27 AM
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5. "You'll find you've missed the quickest way to Harlem."
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cvoogt Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:48 AM
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6. Excite.com still exists?
eom
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:18 AM
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13. I know - that was my first thought after following the link. Glad they're OK.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:37 AM
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20. It is still my home page

It isn't what it used to be. It started going downhill when it merged with @home. But until it gets to a point I can't take it, I'll stay with it.

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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:49 AM
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7. 18 hours to travel 14 miles
Unbelievable.
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DumpDavisHogg Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:32 AM
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8. Yet more proof of Bloomberg's thuggish incompetence
He needs to be impeached.
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:49 AM
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9. The snow is Bloomberg's fault?
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 02:24 PM
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26. Exactly.
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dem mba Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:01 AM
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10. you realize all of Europe was recently shut down
over far less snow?
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 03:48 AM
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11. I bow to no one in my
contempt, dislike (that's putting it mildly) and disdain for Bloomberg, but I live in NYC (for 40+ years) and this blizzard was particularly intense and inexorable. There's little anyone, including Bloomberg, could have done. Besides, he bought his mayoral elections and would simply buy his way out of impeachment proceedings.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:12 AM
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12. Hi, I found this link about past snow storms in NYC
And I'm wondering if this is better or worse?

I guess the assumption by some is that Bloomberg cut services or infrastructure and that is the cause of these stories. I certainly don't know. It must have been miserable on that elevated train.

I live on the west coast and we are prepared for weather events up to a point. People carry kits in their vehicles for when they are stuck in the snow. We have mass transit but it's not as major in our lives as it is in NYC.

These are pictures of previous storms you probably remember:

Here Are the Snows of Yesteryear

http://lens.blogs.nytimes...-snows-of-yesteryear/?hp

Looks like some hardy folks there. Take care.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:23 AM
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14. Broken link....
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:45 PM
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24. Sorry, it worked where I had it before, I copied it from where I posted it at another website.
The website posted it in an abbreviated form there, but I thought it would work here. It still works there, but I'd posted it directly from the address bar.

I'll post directly from the address bar of my browser next time I share a link here.

Thanks for fixing it!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:18 AM
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18. NYC Subway is the best system I've ever ridden in, but it is susceptible to weather
especially if the city shuts down.

the failure of the train is not unexpected, the mistake was not helping these people more quickly.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 05:27 AM
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15. You wanna know about getting stuck in the snow
read up on or watch The Donner Party sometime : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

I do feel sorry for the subway car but being out of the wind, which can be the killer, was at least an aspect that prevented major harm.

I recall reading back in the '70s about 3 who died as a result of a sudden evening snow storm in Scotland and a survivor. The survivor was man of the open road. He'd picked up from the clouds late that afternoon that something serious was imminent. His clothes were already stuffed with newspaper, he gathered up some branches etc, made a bed in a ditch under a hedge row out of the wind and went to sleep. They found him a few days later suffering from mild hypothermia but otherwise ok.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 06:24 AM
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16. wow -- that was the train i took when i was in college -- brrrr. nt
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:47 AM
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19. oh man, that's awful.
last christmas, oklahoma got pounded with snow. OKC got about 14 inches, which is not all that much in comparison to the current blizzard. it was, however, more than the state could handle. there were people stranded in cars all over the place. my friend and i were trying to get home for christmas eve-we'd been traveling for a week-and i stopped in eastern oklahoma to grab the only hotel i could find. on the drive the next day, i made sure to have cat litter and plenty of food and water, having watched the carnage on the tubes the night before. it took us nearly hours to go 140 miles.
my husband got stuck when our alternator gave out. luckily, some kind soul offered him a ride back into town.

incidentally, i think the problem with both the blizzards was the wind. i grew up in NJ and we've had that kind of snow in the past. but 4 foot high drifts driven by snow can appear out of nowhere.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 11:31 AM
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21. In Western PA, all we have on the ground is "Cold" Snow, not "Wet" Snow
I suspect that is what fell on NYC and the East Coast over the Week end (The Storm did NOT reach the Appalachian Mountains so we in Western PA only saw less then an inch of "Cold Snow".

Now, What I mean by "Cold Snow" is snow the falls to the ground when the temperature is less then about 25 degree Fahrenheit. It is a dry snow that is easily blown about. The East Coast, Like Western PA, normally gets a "Wet Snow" i.e snow that falls around 32 degree Fahrenheit. It tends to have a lot of water in it and once on the ground stays in place. It is heaver then the Cold Dry snow, but rarely blows around.

When I was in the National Guard we were shown a 1950s produced movie talking about Winter and described both types of snow, pointing out that a Wet Snow is more common in the Eastern US, while a Cold Snow is more common in the Great Plains.

In Western Pa, we have had almost Four Weeks of Cold Weather, temperatures below freezing (Which is a long time for such temperatures in Western PA). During that time period all we have had was Cold Snow and it tends to blow all over the place (Even if the total snow fall has been less then six inches over that entire four weeks, most compressed to under two inches for Cold Snow has little water in it when compared to Wet Snow).

From what I have heard from the East Coast, you had a Warm Front hitting the Cold area over Pennsylvania. The Warm front first goes over the Cold area, drops Rain/Wet Snow that converts to a Cold Snow as the Warm front goes back over the Atlantic and replaced by the Cold it had pushed inland. Thus you get BOTH a wet snow that freezes (Making roads slick and train switches frozen so they do not switch) followed by a Dry snow that blows all over the place (Making huge snow banks when the dry snow hits something solid, like a guard rail).

In a Normal Coastal Storm, the Storm extends to the Appalachian Mountains, and then retreats to the Atlantic. This produces even heavier snow falls BUT a larger gap between the Wet Snow and the Dry Snow (The Wet Snow becomes Dry Snow as the storm hits the Appalachian Mountains, causing problems in the Mountains, but most people in the Mountains just stay home till the weather breaks). In this storm the switch occurred over the East Coast itself, not even making it to area between the East Coast Cities and the Appalachian Mountains, let alone the Appalachian Mountains themselves. Thus the double hit. Wet Snow that froze to anything it hit, followed by a dry snow that blew into huge snow piles all over the place. Just a mess.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 11:44 AM
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22. bleh...
I grew up in NJ. My mom got 29 inches in this blizzard. I'm flying home on Saturday...it's going to be a nasty mess by the time I get there, as it's supposed to rain.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:44 PM
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23. That is typical of these Atlantic Storms, Wet Snow, Cold Snow, then a break then Rain
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 12:49 PM by happyslug
It is like clockwork, the Atlantic Storm, Driven North by a Warm Front, moves up the Coast, dumps Wet Snow on the Coast, hits the Appalachian Mountains. At that point it turns to a cold front and retreats back over the East Coast bring the Cold Snow with it (Generally a light snow fall, the biggest snow fall is with Wet Snow as the Storm first hits the East Coast). Once the Cold Front goes through, a warm front develops in the South or West and follows the Cold Front bring with it rain and warmer weather. It is rare for a Wet Snow to stay on the ground for more then a few days do to the above. Cold Snow can stay for weeks, till a Warm Front breaks through, but once the Warm Front breaks through, it can start with a huge Wet Snow Fall, do to the fact warm air carry more moisture then cold air, but converts to rain sooner or later do to the higher temperature driving the Warm Front.

The first person to observe this was Benjamin Franklin, when he wanted to see a Solar eclipse, but could not do to a storm hitting Philadelphia, but after hearing of the fact the people of Boston had seen the Eclipse BEFORE the storm hit Boston, made the connection that the Storm traveled up the coast NOT just West to East as is normal in most of the Northern Temperated Zone. Benjamin Franklin's observation was on Summer weather/Eclipse report so did not directly reflect on Winter Storms like the one the East Coast just had, but winter storms are driven north by the Gulf Stream just like Summer Storms. The Gulf Stream pulls storms to the North, while the Appalachian Mountains keeps most of them to the East,

Now the central part of the US is driven by the pull of the Gulf of Mexico AND need for any storms to avoid the Rockies and Appalachian Mountains, so many storms go south, East of the Rockies, mix with hot moist Air over Texas then go north, West of the Appalachian Mountains till such time they are forced over the Appalachian Mountains generally over Pennsylvania, Up State New York or Quebec (Many storms also go West to East, but rarely carry excessive snow or cold temperatures). These Winter Storms bring the heaviest snows to Western PA, but almost none to the East Coast. Thus you get Cold Dry Snow from Montana to the Great Lakes, but wet Snows in Pennsylvania and Up State New York (Buffalo gets a lot of Lake Affect Snow, which tends to be a Cold Snow, but that is a local affect around the Great Lakes, as you move away from the Great Lakes the above Middle American Winter Storm is the norm).

Do to the above, we in Western Pa get less snow then the East Coast WHILE having generally colder temperatures. When the push south along the Rockies is severe enough, it is called an Alberta Clipper, for its spreads south and east, extending its reach to Alabama instead of Texas (Bring with it the coldest temperatures for the Mid-west, Pittsburgh to Minneapolis/St Paul). Such Cold Temperatures reach into the American South, sometimes even to Florida. On the plus side rarely connected to heavy snow falls do to the fact Cold Air carries a lot less moisture then Hot Air (most heavy snow falls tend to be near freezing, when warm moist air runs into cold air and drops its moisture).

Yes, a lot of Snow followed by rain and warm temperatures, typical winter Weather in Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

Here is a NOAA Report on Snow Storms in Pennsylvania, NOAA does NOT say that all the storms mentioned do NOT hit all of the State, for Example Lake Affect rarely hits south of Erie County except for an once hear and there, and Nor'Easterns rarely go over the Appalachian Mountains when they hit Eastern Pa AND what they call Squall lines rarely carry that much snow OVER the Appalachian Mountains, thus heavy snow in Western Pa but almost no snow in Eastern PA (Bu the Appalachian Mountains tend to be hit hard):
:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/ctp/features/2010/12_18/index.php
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