Jury: Death for bombers -- father and son are too dangerous even for prison (right wing terrorists)

[Ferret Annica]

Source: Register Guard

SALEM — A jury on Wednesday recommended that a father and his son be sentenced to death for planting a bomb that exploded inside a Woodburn bank two years ago, killing two police officers and maiming a third.

In a trial that spanned three months, prosecutors portrayed Bruce and Joshua Turnidge as bigoted men who hated authorities, were desperate for money and feared that newly elected President Obama would take away their guns.

Both defendants stood with their lawyers and stared straight forward, showing no emotion as Marion County Circuit Judge Tom Hart read the jury’s decisions. Sheriff’s deputies handcuffed them and led them away to be jailed until Hart formally sentences them Jan. 24. The judge is bound by the jury’s death sentence and cannot impose a lesser penalty. However, because the case involves capital punishment, it automatically will be appealed to the Oregon Supreme Court.

“It’s all in God’s hands. We don’t know what’s going to happen eventually,” said Janet Turnidge, who is Bruce Turnidge’s wife and Joshua Turnidge’s mother. “We want to express our deep, deep sorrow for the loss that the victims’ families have endured. We have been praying for them.”



Read more: http://registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25697582-41/turnidge-joshua-bruce-police-death.csp

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The title was way too long, so pardon the clarification and abridgment of it. These two men are the extreme of the sort of racist and violent coward that have been emboldened since President Obama took office.

I am very glad they were taken out of circulation. However as a person against Capital Punishment, I would rather they spend all their remaining days in prison. Even if they will be recruiting for Don Black's poisonous forum, 'Storm Front' and other racist entities.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. I am not a proponent of the death penalty....but some people make one think

that there are situations where it might be the best answer.

This kind of persons push the definition of "human being" to its very limits.

EDIT; A life sentence, with no possibility of release, in an asylum for the criminally insane would seem much more appropriate than prison. Life in a prison would be too good for them.

[rfranklin]

4. How about solitary confinement for life?

That would be years of torment for them.

[derby378]

5. You should read about Eastern State Penitentiary sometime

They actually tried that with their inmates, lifers or not. Only problem is, too many inmates went insane.

The closest thing we have to what you're talking about is Florence ADX, and as isolated as the inmates are from each other, I'm not sure it was ever as harsh as Eastern State.

[BrklynLiberal]

10. To me, these kind of folks are already insane.

[Ghost Dog]

6. Death penalty uncivilised. Bang them up for a very long time, even life if unrepentant,

on the Black side of the prison.

[derby378]

18. That sounds too much like the Kinky Friedman quote...

...about locking up someone in jail, throwing away the key, and letting him "watch a Negro talk to himself."

Makes me feel a bit uneasy.

[BrklynLiberal]

9. I could live with that. This kind of person does not deserve the company of people.

Let him converse with the roaches and rats in his cell.

[WhiteTara]

30. treat them like they are Bradley Manning

that would stop them from being a threat to anything except maybe their own mental health. Death would probably be better than that!

[bongbong]

2. Fox "news"

Fox "news" either won't report this at all, or call them Democrats.

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. They have had the story on their website since yesterday:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/22/dad-son-sentenced-death-oregon-bank-bombing/

[Lord Magus]

20. Fox's website isn't quite as bad as their TV "news"

Because they know their main audience are too senile to operate a computer.

[Kingofalldems]

31. How come you jump in so much to defend Fox?

Website is not Fox news TV. :shrug:

[tularetom]

3. Death penalty is a good thing in this case

The father is old enough that he will more than likely die before the sentence is carried out so let him spend the rest of his life worrying about whether he will fry or die of natural causes. After he's gone, they can decide what to do about the son.

It's good that they both have the possibility of execution hanging over their heads.

It wouldn't be the end of the world if they were both actually executed.

[GillesDeleuze]

7. Maybe Keith Ellison could look into these guys:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/keith_ellison_sure_have_hearings_on_radicalization.php?ref=fpb

[gratuitous]

8. The Turnidges aren't terrorists, silly! They're white

Gee whiz, get with the program. "Terrorist" is a designation that is strictly reserved for certain people. The only way a white person can be a terrorist is if he's an "eco-terrorist" who keys SUVs or burns logging trucks used for corporate poaching on federal land.

I'm against the death penalty as well, and the Turnidges should spend the rest of their miserable lives in prison. They've squandered the life granted them, but it's not up to me or my government to take it from them.

[Ferret Annica]

12. Jury: Death for bombers -- father and son are too dangerous even for prison (right wing terrorists)

Source: Register Guard

SALEM — A jury on Wednesday recommended that a father and his son be sentenced to death for planting a bomb that exploded inside a Woodburn bank two years ago, killing two police officers and maiming a third.

In a trial that spanned three months, prosecutors portrayed Bruce and Joshua Turnidge as bigoted men who hated authorities, were desperate for money and feared that newly elected President Obama would take away their guns.

Both defendants stood with their lawyers and stared straight forward, showing no emotion as Marion County Circuit Judge Tom Hart read the jury’s decisions. Sheriff’s deputies handcuffed them and led them away to be jailed until Hart formally sentences them Jan. 24. The judge is bound by the jury’s death sentence and cannot impose a lesser penalty. However, because the case involves capital punishment, it automatically will be appealed to the Oregon Supreme Court.

“It’s all in God’s hands. We don’t know what’s going to happen eventually,” said Janet Turnidge, who is Bruce Turnidge’s wife and Joshua Turnidge’s mother. “We want to express our deep, deep sorrow for the loss that the victims’ families have endured. We have been praying for them.”



Read more: http://registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25697582-41/turnidge-joshua-bruce-police-death.csp

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The title was way too long, so pardon the clarification and abridgment of it. These two men are the extreme of the sort of racist and violent coward that have been emboldened since President Obama took office.

I am very glad they were taken out of circulation. However as a person against Capital Punishment, I would rather they spend all their remaining days in prison. Even if they will be recruiting for Don Black's poisonous forum, 'Storm Front' and other racist entities.

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[pitohui]

14. frankly i don't see why we need to share the planet w. some people

why should we feed and house them for decades and, incidentally, give their terrorist bomb making buddies an inspiration to take hostages and attempt a swap?

there are perfectly good reasons for the death penalty in this particular case

[Bragi]

15. There are never reasons for the death penalty

Official state murder demeans and dehumanizes whatever society engages in it. It is inherently offensive and diminishes any civilized people.

[cliffordu]

16. Nice sentiment

Until someone slaughters one of your family.

Purists often try to live above us unwashed masses.

[Bragi]

17. So you want revenge, is that it?

Okay, if revenge is your goal, then why stop at the death penalty?

Why not torture people convicted of especially abhorrent crimes every day?

Would that not satisfy lust for revenge even better?

As for me, I prefer justice to revenge as a goal.

[uppityperson]

19. Kill or torture them 'til they die. Death or Life in Solitary. Which is worse, which more revengeful

You prefer a lifetime of torture in solitary, call that "justice" where a quick death is "revenge" and wrong? Huh.

I am against the death penalty not because I feel it right in a few cases, but because it can be abused and people unjustly killed.

[NYC Liberal]

28. That's why victims/families of victims

don't sit on the jury or serve as judge.

I'm against the death penalty. I also know if someone murdered someone in my family, I'd probably want to kill them with my bare hands. But that's the reason we have a justice system with independent judges and juries who can take a step back and render justice impartially.

[fascisthunter]

22. agree

[pitohui]

24. bragi, torturing someone for decades demeans and dehumanizes

how can the death penalty be worse than what everyone else is proposing -- solitary/isolation for life, which we know is guaranteed to destroy their minds?

a life sentence in isolation is far more cruel than the death penalty and since these men are true terrorists, those are the only two choices

i don't believe in torturing someone for decades, no matter what they've done

it demeans you and me to support lifelong torture/isolation, i'm sorry i don't condone cruelty even to the worse

put em to sleep and let's get on with it

[Bragi]

29. I didn't advocate torture or isolation

I advocate removing people from society and incarcerating someone if safety requires it.

Within those boundaries, I think the living conditions of convicted criminals should be tolerable and they should be given every opportunity to grow as people, and yes, to even be as happy as possible in the circumstances.

I don't support isolation unless it is absolutely needed for the safety of the individual prison or the other prisoners.

I think that kind of treatment would reflect well on the decency of the society who practices it, and the respect they have for life.

And I don't think this treatment would result in more crime. People don't commit crimes because they are prepared to suffer the consequences. They commit crime because they want to, and think can get away with it, and won't face any consequences.

Adding to the misery of those who have lost their freedom is unnecessary. The loss of liberty and the freedom to live your life the way you want is a huge punishment in itself.

[fascisthunter]

21. I Will Always stand against the Death Penalty

it does nothing, it's actually letting criminals off the hook. I'd rather have them punished for life by taking their freedom away from them so they can do no more harm to innocents.

[Judi Lynn]

23. Life in prison, no parole. State sanctioned murder is always wrong

http://www.onepennysheet.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/s-BRUCE-TURNIDGE-JOSH-TURNIDGE-large.jpg

even when you'd be executing real
trash like Bruce & Joshua Turnidge.

[lunatica]

32. I've used that exact phrase many times

The one time I was called for jury duty on a capital punishment case I was very quickly dismissed off a jury for saying it. LOL!

The truth is, capital punishment is state sanctioned murder and is no different than any other kind of murder. Life in prison is not some picnic that rewards criminals. It's a real and lasting punishment with the added possibility of repentance, no matter how unlikely that may be.

[glinda]

25. Easy to say when you shove off responsibility to "God". Guess that makes them

clear of any guilt.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. What was their freeper names?

[Boojatta]

27. Innocent people were killed in Hitler's beer hall putsch.

Had the sentence been parole, two weeks of community service, an irrevocable ban on him being a candidate in any election in Germany, and an irrevocable ban on him being appointed to a position of political authority, then the history of the world from the 1930s to today would be quite different from what it has been.

I don't think that it's a good idea to use the death penalty to create a "teachable moment." The death penalty was used that way in ancient Rome when human sacrifice was practiced. It seems somewhat self-referential, but it was practiced to instill respect for the practice of human sacrifice, and perhaps more generally to instill respect for the various customs of Rome that were thought to help maintain a benevolent attitude by the gods towards Rome.