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cowcommander Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 01:45 AM
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Chavez seeks decree powers in Venezuela in response to floods
Edited on Sat Dec-11-10 01:45 AM by cowcommander
Source: AP

CARACAS, Venezuela Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday said he will ask his congressional allies to again grant him special powers to enact laws by decree.

Chavez said he needs an "enabling law" for the fourth time in his presidency to pass emergency laws quickly in a range of areas, including housing, land use and banking.

"There is no time to lose," Chavez said on state television, citing the country's emergency efforts to help thousands of people displaced by deadly floods and mudslides.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101211/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/l...
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 03:53 AM
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1. Necessary and appropriate act
given the issues with those floods.
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xor Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:46 AM
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2. yeah, but wait for the flood of "dictator" posts to appear...
It's funny how this guy is either an evil dictator hell bent on the destruction of all that is good, or he's a saint who can do no wrong. I'll never understand such black and white views of things.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 08:08 AM
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3. There is no such dichotomy.
You find me one post that declares Chavez "a saint who can do no wrong". I can find you literally hundreds of "he's a dictator" statements using those exact words. Defending Chavez against bullshit attacks is not equivalent to declaring his sainthood. Not a saint. Not a dictator.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:09 PM
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4. Well said, Warren Stupidity! The Associated Pukes pile it on in this hit piece and if I dare to
provide facts and reasonable analysis to contest this intensely propagandistic, so-called 'news' article, the Rightwing Chorus will likely soon be here, not to reply with facts and reasonable analysis, but to accuse me of worshiping "Saint Chavez" in their one-liner hit posts.

For instance, here's one fact that the Associated Pukes does not tell us in this article, will NEVER tell us in their anti-Chavez hit pieces and do not want us to know: That legislators granting presidents decree powers is very common in Latin America. For instance, Lula da Silva in Brazil used decree powers to protect a wide swath of the Amazon rainforest for an uncontacted Indigenous hunter-gatherer tribe. Facts like that are inconvenient when what you want is yet another anti-Chavez headline, to add to the cumulative effect of all your other hit pieces, that is, to numb peoples' brains with the "Big Lie" technique of repeating the lie over and over and over again.

And here ii is, once again, right in the article: "Government opponents accuse Chavez of growing increasingly authoritarian..." They have been saying this from Day One! It was not true then; it is not true now. Chavez has done NOTHING that was not within in his rightful powers, and NOTHING that was not part of his mandate from the Venezuelan people. Nothing! He has broken no law. He has not even bent any laws. So where does "increasingly authoritarian" come from? It comes from a script written in Langley, that's where. It is a STALINIST 'BIG LIE' decided upon when the Venezuelan people defeated the U.S.-supported coup d'etat in 2002. Paint him as a "dictator."

The rightwing press did the same thing to FDR. They called him a "dictator." That's what they do to independent leaders who act in the interests of their people and not in the interests of "organized money" (as FDR put it). The only difference is that our press corps now is entirely rightwing and highly controlled by our multinational corporate/war profiteer rulers. They will "hit" anybody who doesn't do their bidding--by coups (the corporate press in Venezuela was actively involved in the 2002 coup attempt), by relentless, monomaniacal propaganda campaigns, by promulgating CIA psyops and "dirty tricks," and by supporting outright war, if and when the "powers' here decide to wage it.

The Chavez government's policies, with repeated mandates from the Venezuelan people, may be wrong or partly wrong or ineffective, or they may be right or partly right or very effective (and on issues such as poverty reduction they have been very effective, indeed)--but that is NOT the way that our corpo-fascist press, or its controllers, want the matter to be "framed." They don't want reasonable discussion, fact weighed against fact, with the goal being the common good. They want to freeze peoples' mental powers with the meme "dictator"--a phantom bogeyman critter who doesn't exist.

That's what articles like this--including EVERY article about Venezuela in the corpo-fascist press over the last decade--are all about. EVERY article. Not ONE exception. And that's why the rightwing chorus here uses the one-liner tactic against reasonable discussion of accusing those who try to promote reasonable discussion of worshiping "Saint Chavez!" They DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW, and the Associated Pukes and brethren DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW, of Chavez's lawfulness or of ANY of the Chavez government's successes. They want you to think "dictator." They want you to think "Stalin," when they are, in fact, the Stalin's. They really are. They are using the 'Big Lie' technique on Hugo Chavez, and, by implication, on the people of Venezuela, who are thus, by implication, painted as stupid peasants who don't know what's good for them.

Notice how this Associated Pukes hit piece works in the word "stooges" to describe the members of Venezuela's National Assembly, whom Venezuelans also voted for, in honest, transparent elections (which the rightwing opposition, on bad advice from the Bush Junta, boycotted, last time out). "Stooges" who "rubber-stamp" a "dictator." No quotes. No attribution. And no running that opinion by anybody in the Chavez government or the National Assembly for a response.

This is disgusting journalism--and those who pander to it, and promulgate it here, are equally disgusting.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:11 PM
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6. i'll find it for you.
give me a few minutes.. nt
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:13 PM
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7. here you go,
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armodem08 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:30 PM
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9. Nice example...not.
Edited on Sat Dec-11-10 12:31 PM by armodem08
The thread you linked is just an argument between you and the poster you accuse, without merit I might add. The post you said proved your point has no such statement. Next?
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:38 PM
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11. excuse me..
did she or did she not say that Chavez has never done anything that she disagress with? excuse me if the exact wording is a little different.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:39 PM
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12. "I have not seen anything he has done I find is wrong yet. Period."
Does that quote not do it for you?

tell me, are there any politicians that you know that you can state has never done anything wrong? I can't. Even the ones I love.
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armodem08 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 01:20 PM
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19. Selective interpretation...
"I have not seen anything he has done I find is wrong yet. Period."

That is very different than saying he has done no wrong, and he's a saint. Yet you say they are the same... You bend people's statements in your mind to support your own beliefs, mostly unconsciously.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 10:22 AM
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21. Unconsciously? I don't know.
Sometimes it seems that the disease f Deliberate Stupidity formerly confined to Republicans has infested DU.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:39 PM
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13. where is the word 'saint'? or the phrase "do no wrong"
or even anything remotely close to 'he's a saint who can do no wrong'?

On the other hand claiming here that Chavez is a dictator, using exactly that term, is commonplace.

Ergo: Total Fail.

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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:44 PM
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14. huh
Isn't saying that a politician has never made a mistake the same thing? Do you know any politicians who have never, ever made a mistake? I don't. Not even the ones that I love.
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armodem08 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 01:12 PM
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18. Yup. Well said. n/t
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:10 PM
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5. me neither,
but yeet it's there. In fact, a prominent poster on the Latin American forum has stated directly that she does not believe that Chavez has EVER made a single bad decision.

It's a religion for some.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:19 PM
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8. I take it you would have approved of a declaration of martial law by
Bush during the aftermath of Katrina.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:34 PM
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10. A limited period of rule by decree is nothing like martial law. n/t
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 01:02 PM
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16. The problem with Chavez is that is dictatorial tendencies know no bounds.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 01:09 PM
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17. No, that would not be "the problem with Chavez".
lol
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 06:35 AM
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20. I beg to differ, this guy worships at the alter of Castro and we know all to well
the nature of his dictatorial tendencies.

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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 12:14 PM
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23. We all know what the problem with Chavez is. And that is ...
Edited on Sun Dec-12-10 12:18 PM by Billy Burnett
... that these two rat bastards ( :sarcasm: ) are friends (not facebook friends, but real friends) ...



Viva Cuba!
Viva Venezuela!
Viva Bolivarianismo!




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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:58 PM
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15. Let's see what he does with the habilitante first. nt
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 10:37 AM
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22. Aww, I can't Rec this for its being over-24hrs!1 n/t
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