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[Ediacara]

US expert promises WMD 'surprises'

David Kay was sent to Iraq by the CIA
The top US weapons inspector in Iraq has hinted to Congress that "surprises" lie ahead.

David Kay, a special adviser to the CIA, said solid progress was being made, but would not be drawn on whether any actual weapons of mass destruction (WMD) had been found.

Mr Kay said that Iraqi scientists were revealing new secrets about work on WMD and progress was also being made to unravel the regime's concealment tactics.

Mr Kay's comments come as pressure mounts on President George W Bush and the UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair, to provide evidence of an Iraqi weapons programme to back up their decision to go to war.

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[Maple]

1. After all this time

the only 'surprise' will be where they planted it.

[dusty64]

4. You're right,

surprise I'll bet.

[Wonder]

8. So much of this stuff has been so predicable

when push comes to shove plant and lie.

again from which CIA does this news come from the real CIA or the shadow CIA within the OSP, and which OSP the one in Washington, Israel, or the UK?

[wontmoveon]

24. It really doesn't matter. Iraq was not an imminent threat when US invaded

Never lose sight of that fact. The plans for this invasion were in place before 9/11.
Only the ditto heads will swallow the Bushista's lies. The fact remains that
the invasion was unjustified and unnecessary. When you look at the historical picture
Saddam and Iraq never did as much to the US as Israel (our ally) has done to us...spies,
the Liberty, the heisted uranium. Desert Storm was fought not because Saddam attacked us
but because the Saudi Royal family was afraid he might attack them. Iraq has never posed a
threat to the US...show me the history that proves that they were. Until Iraq invaded Kuwait, they
it was our ally against an Israeli supplied Iran. People, you must not lose sight of the facts of
history. You are being diverted and distracted in all directions to keep your eyes off the
reality of the AGENDA!!!

[Emillereid]

31. Yes, the very existence of WMDs is not the issue...

it was the so called imminent threat that Saddam represented with his WMDs -- a threat we were told was so real and horrifying that we couldn't possibly give the inspections process of few more months. We must not let them off the hook if the 'find' some caches of WMDs.

[Wonder]

33. ditto

that analysis

[deutsey]

34. Right, and never forget the claims Powell made to the UN

and Bush et al., made prior to the invasion.

They gave us the idea that WMDs were strewn throughout Iraq, that there enormous stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and that the US and UK were within 45 minutes of missile attacks from Iraq.

[Dagaz]

2. About Time

I think there are WMDs because people who would know like Bill and Hill haven't been criticizing Bush on this.In fact Bill has been saying that going after Bush on Iraq is a mistake. Remember that the Clintons made the nuclear case in 1998 much stronger than Bush so the classified intel must be there.

[newyorican]

5. probem is...

They could find the goose that laid the golden WMD and *nobody* will believe them. There is as severe a credibilty deficit as there is an economic one.

[rooboy]

9. If the intel really is/was there....

then why on earth did the Iraqis challenge the US to send as many CIA agents as it wanted to help the UN inspectors look for WMD evidence?

And why did the US decline the challenge?

[leesa]

11. Uh huh and when you are carpet bombed you would save them for later?

'Bil and Hil' are corporatists like Bush is. They, like many Dems, wanted this war for oil to save our dying economy. The only WMD will be planted by the Bush Crime Family.

[Jack Rabbit]

39. WMDs

Anybody who still believes that Saddam possessed WMDs should be handed an entrenching tool and sent to Iraq to look for them.

We're going to channel Ponce de Leon and put him in charge of the mission.

[newyorican]

3. Surprise!!

We fooled ya!

[Wonder]

6. Should read: "The top US weapons inspector in Iraq has hinted to Congress

that surprise, 'lies' ahead."

[okieinpain]

40. you know they could go on forever with the "surprises" statement.

every 4 or 5 months just come out and go " we're making progess, we're getting to the bottom of the iraq WMD programs, and there are going to be big surprises". keep doing this for the next 5 or 6 years and after a while people will just assume we found them.

[MuseRider]

7. It feels like Christmas

in July, or August.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. "Pressure mounts...

to provide evidence of an Iraqi weapons programme"? I think not.

Because it was supposedly about actual, 45-minute-to-launch weapons, not weapons on paper.

And because it's far too late for something to turn up now - under the supervision of an aggressive CIA man, no less - and not be tainted. Besides, that none have been used on the Iraqi side should be all the evidence necessary.

Still, the pressure should mount on Bush and Blair, but not for evidence. For their heads.

[okieinpain]

41. another thing that was mention last night on msnbc is that bush is now

saying we're going to find "their WMD program's", not "their WMD's". maybe there are no WMD's and even bush and gang are surprised.

[realFedUp]

12. are they in boxes of Cracker Jacks?

I read they are in Baltimore...

[MattNC]

13. nothing new

There's been a proclamation every few weeks since the war ended that a major WMD will be forthcoming. Nothing has materialized out of any of them.

[Merlin]

14. What's going on? This is exactly OPPOSITE from the WaPo story yesterday.

Scientists Still Deny Iraqi Arms Programs
U.S. Interrogations Net No Evidence

By Walter Pincus and Kevin Sullivan
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, July 31, 2003; Page A01

Despite vigorous efforts, the U.S. government has been unsuccessful so far in finding key senior Iraqi scientists to support its prewar claims that former president Saddam Hussein was pursuing an aggressive program to develop nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, according to senior administration officials and members of Congress who have been briefed recently on the subject.

The sources said four senior scientists and more than a dozen at lower levels who worked for the Iraqi government have been interviewed by U.S. officials under the direction of the CIA. Some scientists have been arrested and held for months, others have made deals in return for information and at least one has agreed to be interviewed outside Iraq.

No matter the circumstances, all of the scientists interviewed have denied that Hussein had reconstituted his nuclear weapons program or developed and hidden chemical or biological weapons since United Nations inspectors left in 1998. Several key Iraqi officials questioned the significance of evidence cited by the Bush administration to suggest that Hussein was stepping up efforts to develop new weapons of mass destruction programs.

more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5497-2003Jul30.html

[Wonder]

17. How 'bout a game of PingPong

it is dizzying isn't it? Facts on the Ground have replaced Truth in Newsreporting. FoxNews is a bullhorn for Murdorck CNN a bullhorn for the Pentagon. Much of the War is propaganda makes you sometimes feel like a blithering idiot. However it seems the more idiotic you feel the closer you are to the truth.

Thought Control Creates Bi-Polarity in Society. Bi-Polarity creates anxiety - An anxious public is easier to manipulate... have you noticed we they are hinting at terror warnings. Seems to me their need justification for their next preemptive strike... how better to do this but by a series of contridictory reports and big hints of surprises leading all the anxious to the edge to rally behind another theatrical war staging... even a strong suggestion that their hot on the trial of of more Mass Weapons of Deception could be enough to tip the balance.

Of course it begins to get tricky now with Bush's popularity waning according to the polls... but isn't it pathetic how simplistic the strategy of manipulation really is?

[hang a left]

23. Just because they can't find any scientists

that will support their prewar claim. Doesn't mean that Kay can't be successful. Know what I mean?

[Nlighten1]

15. Why will there be "suprises"?

If Iraq has/had all these weapons of mass destruction as they say...why should we be suprised that some where found?

[ILeft]

16. If they pay David Copperfield enough ($30 million?)...

...he could make them appear. Heck, they could do it prime time on FOX and make a few dollars.

[KoKo]

18. I saw part of a press conference with him yesterday and I disliked him

He seems to be the typical Repug "hard nose" and he was alluding to "Iraqi scientists revealing much more about how Saddam had hidden his WMD from UN Inspectors." (that's pretty much an exact quote)

That statement turned me off because it belittled the efforts of the UN Inspection team (typical Repug) and failed to mention that Rummy said he knew where the weapons were (remember North of Baghdad somewhere near Takrit?)

Plus we all know we have had sattelite photos of every speck of anything being moved around in Iraq. How does one move the amount of weapons the Bushies claimed he had without something showing up. No one ever mentions the sattilites anymore.

Anyway, I wouldn't believe a thing out of David Kay's mouth unless some DU'ers told me he was a saint. Even then I would have some questions.

[TacticalPeek]

26. Kay probably has baggage...

link http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/07/268143.shtml

snip
Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I - and Now Bush II?
author: Cheryl Seal
Who is David Kay?

And why has Bush been so eager to make sure Kay is chief "WMD evidence seeker" in Iraq?
snip

this link page also has many interesting links at the bottom (maintain critical thinking).

[susu369]

35. Thank you TacticalPeak - a MUST READ

the link you provided has excellent information.

[LeftHander]

37. How can one man find what hundreds couldn't

Kay is just a messenger another operative of the Bush agenda.

Bush is one of the "can do" leaders.

If they can't find WMDs in Iraq then find someone who can.
If they can't pass a bill to drill for oil in alaska then get some people who can
If they can't find evidence of WMDs in Iraqi the get me someone who can.
If you can lie for me then find someone who can.
If I can't beat the democrats in 2004 then make sure I do, why am I pauing you all that money?


Doesn't matter how it's done...just do it.

Bring Em' On
what a Jackass

[osaMABUSh]

19. The surprise will occur in August while * is in Texas

They're setting us up for the "Oh, here's the WMD!" line. Shrub will trudge out of the brush in Tejas and proclaim that he was right all along. The we can all rest and wait until 9/11/03 for * to have us remember what a great leader (i.e., I want my high approval ratings back) he was two years ago.

[Julien Sorel]

20. All they have to do is make a lot of noise, and the public will buy it.

The public wants this issue to go away; they want to forget about Iraq except as some sort of idealized wonder war. If Bush makes some speech with shady evidence, and a plausible, if grossly dishonest, explanation, and puts the prestige of the presidency behind it, America will be satisfied, just as America is satisfied by cheap chocolate and bad beer. If it can be swallowed and it's the easy way to go, Americans are all for it. That's the reality here, folks. McPolitics works, and we have the perfect guy to play Ronald McDonald, in Bush.

[iam]

38. Excellent post.

McPolitics, Ronald McDonald. Perfect.

[moondust]

21. About the "US expert".

David Kay appears to be a trusted BFEE/CIA political operative. Not a scientist. Not a nuclear expert.

Interesting article and correction:

"Did David Kay engineer WMD evidence for Bush I - and now Bush II?"

Correction to above story: "Bush's top WMD inspector David Kay is not a scientist of any kind."

[osaMABUSh]

22. Whatever happened to Hans Blix? Effectively silenced?

So we have this US Chief Weapons Inspector who suddenly is the all knowing WMD expert and after he finds the WMD he going to find the body of Amelia Earhart.

[ze_dscherman]

32. He just gaven an interview to a German newspaper

Said it would be a good thing that Germany and France helped rebuilding Iraq - but that this would need real cooperation, not something dictated by Washington or London.


http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,259496,00.html

[Jack Rabbit]

25. It works this way Mr. Kay . . .

The claim was that Saddam was an immediate threat to peace. For that reason we could not wait for the UN inspectors to do their assigned task. The troops had to go in. The missiles had to be launched into the marketplaces of Baghdad.

So where is the immediate threat? If you don't produce an intact weapons system that could be quickly deployed, then those for whom you work are liars and war criminals.

[Tinoire]

27. Deception in the Desert - A MUST See Movie!

[TacticalPeek]

28. I speculate based on recent history and buzz after Senate meet w/Kay:

Chemical - this is not even really a WMD. I've heard both mil and other experts get this thought crammed through the media grinder occasionally. It is an area denial weapon in combat and can be countered. In terrorist attack on civilians, in can be lethal of course, but probably low casualties. Think of the cult subway attack in Japan. Scary, true, people die and are maimed, but I would much prefer to be near the scene of a chemical attack and have the chance to walk away, as opposed to a fertilizer bomb, a la OK City and WTC I. As a general put it, "I could watch a chemical round land 50 yards away, in my chem/bio suit pull on my mask and hood, and proceed on up the hill. If a conventional HE round (high explosive) lands fifty yards away, you'll never know it, you're dead. Iraq's prior stock of chemicals and production capability were probably very degraded by Operation Desert Fox in '98, and any leftovers would rot and fizzle in the Iraqi case (excpting maybe the mustard?). Kay will find no chemical stocks because there are none. He may find papers and plans, but even those may tell a story he does not want to report, like in docs saying "someday maybe, who knows, baby?".


Nuclear - nada, the rose bush is probably their peak here for tangible items, but again, maybe docs on "someday", etc.


Biological - I'll bet this is his surprise, since he said bio was a current focus. There could be, like the rose bush, stashed, tangible something like traces of anthrax culture, or small, starter type quantities, maybe as old as the rose bush. BUT NOT WEAPONIZED. NOT WEAPONIZED.

Since it's not weaponized, Kay (and Roberts, etc.) could not act as happy as you'd think about their surprise. And even this duck is not quite lined up right yet, so they can't out it and instead have to hint of "surprises" around the corner. (I guess when you know it's coming, it's not exactly a surprise, eh David?) Rush something out now because aWol's numbers are sinking.

This will be the fullest extension of their position, that there were definitly some things there, plans, docs, some artifacts and the evil will of Saddam to recreate his programs. Someday.

And this should leave them well exposed to claims of fraud and deception, exaggeration, and abuse of trust and power, including underhanded tactics. Shamed before the world and the American people.

I bet.

[JackSwift]

29. Weapons and Documents

are now planted! You will find small salesmens's samples of chem and bio weapons in locations on this map, please report accurately in your respective media whore journals. Documents consisting largely of science fiction novels are plans that will work nicely for a "program". David Niven and Jerry Pournelle are sick enough to have a few books about bio and chem weapons. Yeah, that's the ticket.


I got what is apprently news for you Mr. "Kay". Saddam was so f****** scared of the psychopathic BFEE that he actually did get rid every single WMD. Seems Saddam was a big wimp. Oh yeah, Dr. Germ had "plans". We all have "plans", even the Shrub has "plans". His current plans include Iran and Syria, but mostly Iran for lubricating reasons.

[librechik]

30. Sen. Roberts said that he NEVER expected to find WMD smoking gun

However, Senator Roberts also admitted never having expected to find a "smoking missile or the smoking gun".

"I think would be an incredible piece of luck," he said.


So, all that urgency, all that imminent threat all that millions of tons the Bushies claimed, Roberts NEVER EXPECTED TO FIND EVEN A SMOKING GUN???!!!

Why did HE think we were going to Iraq then???!!!

[qb]

36. Ma Bush will pop out of a 55 gallon drum and yell

"SURPRISE!"

[jpak]

42. The National Academy of Sciences should be tasked

with verifying any and all claims made by ChimpCo regarding I-raqi WMD.

They should prepare an independent report and release it directly to the American people - and not to ChimpCo (who would redact and "correctify" it).

The dials on my Bullshit-O-Meter are already twitching....

[jackstraw45]

43. Surprises...of the October Variety

The weapons (to be shipped to Iraq and) discovered by US forces acting on "tips" from Iraqi scientists (threatened with harm by US forces) will surprise the world in time for the 2004 election.

[Rose Siding]

44. More on David Kay

He supported the mobile lab evidence:

snip>
Former U.N. weapons inspector David Kay told CNN on Saturday that though there was a "lack of strong evidence" that the vehicles had been used to produce deadly biological agents, "the most likely use" and "the most probable use" was to create biological weapons. He said suggestions that the mobile labs had some more benign application, such as producing agricultural chemicals, were unlikely.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/07/cia.mobile.labs/

[ze_dscherman]

45. His (then) company MADE a mobile lab

SAIC's recent history is interesting, to say the least. The company was commissioned by G. W. Bush in 2002 to construct a replica of a mobile WMD laboratory of the sort used by Saddam. This mock up, supposedly destined to be used to train teams searching for WMDs in Iraq, was designed by Stephen Hatfill, the WMD expert now being harangued into isolation and thus silence by Bush's FBI. Last spring, the Bush administration handed SAIC some of the biggest defense contract plums to be had -a billion-dollar chunk of the NexGen business and an unbelievably porky 10-year contract worth over $600 million. I bet Kay just danced a jig of joy over that one, with visions of overflowing stock returns. Just think how much gratitude a couple of billion dollars can buy. Maybe even enough to produce another round of "evidence," thus setting the stage for Gulf War III?


http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4430/index.php

Kay was VP of SAIC from 1993-2002, after he was kicked out of the UNSCOM weapon inspectors team.

Thanks for these links, Buzzz!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

46. Do you think they will tell us who planted them???

:puke: on Bush.