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harvey007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 08:48 AM
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U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala
Source: MSNBC

Government researchers infected patients with syphilis, gonorrhea without their consent in the 1940s.

U.S. government medical researchers intentionally infected hundreds of people in Guatemala, including institutionalized mental patients, with gonorrhea and syphilis without their knowledge or permission more than 60 years ago.

Many of those infected were encouraged to pass the infection onto others as part of the study.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324/ns/health-sexual_h...
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 08:53 AM
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1. "The buck stops here," indeed. nt
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 08:57 AM
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2. Josef Mengala
would be so proud. Who here thinks that military experimentation on civilians is a thing of the past?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 08:58 AM
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3. We have met the enemy of humanity and it is US. n/t


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:05 AM
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4. Are the victims dead?
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harvey007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:11 AM
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5. More details at Rawstory.com
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/apologize-atrocious-... /

Sick bastards.

And this kind of depravity continues today. The experiments being conducted today on humans and animals would delight the worst Nazi doctors.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:18 AM
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6. I'm reading Reverbys research paper now.
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 09:21 AM by Solly Mack
"As subjects, they chose the usual quartet of the available and
contained: prisoners in a national penitentiary, inmates in Guatemalas only
mental hospital, children in the national orphanage, and soldiers in a barracks in
the capital.


With the cooperation of the Guatemalan government, the researchers
turned to 438 children between the ages of 6 and 16 in the National Orphanage to
study the blood tests, not to give the children syphilis.35"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:24 AM
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:30 PM
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29. And we (especially the teabagger types) are brainwashed into thinking the US doesn't do this stuff.
I'll bet if the truth would ever come out, the U.S., through the CIA and other covert government departments, engaged in experiments and activities on humans that would have made the Nazi leadership cringe.

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MattyGroves Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:29 AM
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8. So, let's see if Palin, Beck and Hannity start bitching about this
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 09:59 AM by MattyGroves
I think all three have made an issue about the US apologizing for our actions in the past.

Let's see how serious they really are about the whole "honor and integrity" thing.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:36 PM
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34. Not just them...
Most of the repugs see apologizing as a bad thing. I've been subjected to Johnny Isackson's and Nathan Deal's campaign ads from Georgia, and they whineabout President Obama, Roy Barnes and the Democrats apologizing "for everything", as if apologizing and admitting mistakes is some sort of character flaw. And, their minions slurp it all up. What disgusting, warped people they are.
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jeremyfive Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:32 AM
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9. How does the world stand us?
With similar syphllis experiments among American blacks, the sterilization of Puerto Rican and Native American women without their consent from the 20's through 70's-- how does the world stand us?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 10:17 AM
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12. Have you met our nuclear arsenal?
Everybody wants to be your friend when you have nukes and shown that you're not afraid to use them.

On the other hand, I guess we can look forward to the 2060s, when some future administration will be doing mea culpas for our depradations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Because we sure as shitfire aren't going to see any serious inquiry into our crimes against humanity while they're still going on.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 10:38 AM
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13. Exactly...
...that's the M.O. of U.S. accountability.

Years and years go by...enough people die...too late to do anything...apologies all around.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 10:50 AM
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14. Just as some of us are hearing about Argentina, Chile,
Brazil, Bolivia, etc., etc. for the first time all these decades later.

Even when these wildly, shockingly late apologies, admissions are made, the fascist idiots among us get fit to be tied over the very idea anyone would dream of apologizing for previous atrocities.

Unbelievable.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 10:56 AM
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16. True. Those who think no low is too low when America does it
get angry over an apology because, for them, American can do no wrong and crimes aren't crimes when America commits them.





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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:45 PM
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30. In the year 2060, only unicellular creatures will still be alive.
At this rate.

They know how to swim. Naturally.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:36 AM
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19. America is the greatest nation on God's green earth
or so I've heard.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:53 AM
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10. I wonder what they're infecting us with now. Besides, AIDS. nt
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 10:01 AM
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11. When people like Jenny McCarthy speak out against government vaccinations, I think of the Tuskegee
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 10:01 AM by closeupready
syphilis study.

Now I have another case to cite as reference.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:38 AM
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20. I'm glad you brought up what we did to poor blacks right here in America
That was every bit as criminal as anything done in South America.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:42 PM
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36. Absolutely.
n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:41 AM
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21. Not to mention MKUltra
and various radiation exposure studies (e.g. exposing our own troops to radiation from nuclear tests), and on and on.

And we call black activists paranoid with their AIDS theories. The theories may or may not be wrong, but they are kind of reasonable given our history.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:53 AM
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24. Yep.
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 11:55 AM by polly7
"Cameron first conducted his LSD experiments at the Weyburn Mental Hospital in Weyburn, Saskatchewan, which gave rise to the MK-ULTRA program."


The horror stories we've heard coming from this institution (now torn down) are the stuff of nightmares ... we drove by it all the time and it never failed to give me the creeps. If you wanted to scare a child living nearby up until a few years ago, threaten them you were going to send them to this place.

http://atlasobscura.com/place/weyburn-mental-hospital

Nuremberg Tribunal Member

Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He examined and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted "deputy Fuhrer" responsible for Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical ethics.

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue43/articles/...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:00 PM
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25. Some years later,
a bunch of shrinks was administering acid & doing naked encounter groups & whatnot with the criminally insane population of Oak Ridge Secure Treatment Facility at Penetanguishen, Ont. The interesting thing is, the sex offenders in that population went on to have high reoffense rates after release--much higher than "untreated" offenders--and those high reoffense rates are a big part of why everyont thinks all sex offenders reoffend. (Actual rearrest rates are in the 5-8% range within 10 years of release in the US.)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 10:51 AM
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15. experimenting on human beings???? How fucking sick!!!!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:27 AM
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17. ttt
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:36 AM
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18. i am so tired
of this feeling of dismay i get over and over and over when faced with the terrible things that have been done in my name. and continue to be done.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:46 AM
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22. Our karma stinks.
The wrongs we have committed (and continue to commit) are almost beyond comprehension.. :( :cry:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:31 PM
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33. The U.S.. Israel. The U.S. and Israel. Sinister because we are supposed to be
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 01:36 PM by peacetalksforall
models and some put us on pedestals. The propaganda about who we are versus reality.

I am adding Israel because of what is coming out right now about the flotilla attack.

What is in the genesis of people who do this? Are they NOT children of GOD for those who go the biblical way? Do they come from outer space? Why are they so different? Were they one on their own concocted drugs?

Manson was a pussy cat comparatively.
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Freetradesucks Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:47 AM
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23. That's just fucked up.
Really sad and disturbing. People can be so mean.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:00 PM
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26. And anyone wonders why people fly planes into our buildings??
Seriously, give what you want to receive people.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:28 PM
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32. IF
it wasn't an inside job.
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Mefistofeles Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:05 PM
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27. This bolsters the theory that U.S. invented HIV and spread it
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 12:28 PM by Mefistofeles
As part of experiments. Experiments are conducted among minorities and gays, or other groups that the elite consider undesirable. That fits the history of HIV.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:37 PM
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35. Yes!
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:08 PM
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28. First do no harm?
what kind of depraved "humans" could do this? Despicable. :(
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:13 PM
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31. An apology? Wow. Thanks for that.
I'm sure all those people feel much better about the US now.


How can we as a country, continue to think we are so much better than anyone else? How can we question why so many others hate us? I mean really people, it's not a big stretch here.
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Mefistofeles Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:44 PM
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38. They're sorry they got caught
The revelation wasn't made by the US Government. A lady found it by chance while doing research for a book on Tuskeegee. It says it in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:45 PM
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39. Sadly, that makes more sense....n/t
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:43 PM
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37. Now headline UK TV news
and

US sorry over deliberate sex infections in Guatemala : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11454789
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sonomak Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 02:15 PM
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40. Gory and revolting details at
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 02:50 PM
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41. The U.S. did this here in The USA too.
There was a movie made about what happened.

Miss Evers' Boys (TV 1997)
The true story of the US Government's 1932 Tuskeegee Syphilis Experiments, in which a group of black test subjects were allowed to die, despite a cure having been developed.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119679 /

Storyline

In 1932 Macon County, Alabama, the federal government launched into a medical study called The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Blacks With Syphilis. The study selected 412 men infected with the disease and faked long term treatment, while really only giving them placebos and liniments. The premise of the action was to determine if blacks reacted similar to whites to the overall effects of the disease. The experiment was only discontinued 40 years later when a Senate investigation was initiated. At that time, only 127 of the original study group were left alive. The story is told from the point of view of Nurse Eunice Evers, who was well aware of the lack of treatment being offered, but felt her role was to console the involved men, many of whom were her direct friends. In fact the movie's name comes from the fact that a performing dancer and three musicians named their act for her - "Miss Evers' Boys"... Written by John Sacksteder


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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 06:21 PM
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42. Frontpage news on DU, a mere brief on the PBS Newshour.
Thanks for posting. This is just plain sick...but does TV news really care?
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