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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 04:46 PM
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Tax, spending cuts top GOP 'Pledge to America'
Source: MSNBC/AP

House Republican leaders are vowing to cut taxes and federal spending, repeal President Barack Obama's health care law and ban federal funding of abortion as part of a campaign manifesto designed to propel them to victory in midterm elections Nov. 2.

The "Pledge to America," circulated to GOP lawmakers Wednesday, emphasizes job creation and spending control, as well as changing the way Congress does business, according to Republicans who have been briefed.

It pairs some familiar Republican ideas such as deep spending cuts, medical liability reform and stricter border enforcement with an anti-government call to action that draws on tea party themes and echoes voters' disgruntlement with the economy and Obama's leadership.

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"Regarding the policies of the current government, the governed do not consent," reads a preamble to the agenda. "An arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites makes decisions, issues mandates, and enacts laws without accepting or requesting the input of the many."


Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39314078/ns/politics-capito... /
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 04:51 PM
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1. Ah yes, the anti-government Republicans that want to run government
Same old broken ideas.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 04:53 PM
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2. *yawn* Remember this guy?
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fencesitter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:56 PM
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25. I like this part...
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 07:57 PM by fencesitter
"An unchecked executive, a compliant legislature, and an overreaching judiciary have combined to thwart the will of the people and overturn their votes and their values, striking down long-standing laws and institutions and scorning the deepest beliefs of the American people."

Wasn't that accomplised during the last administration?

oops, that was meant as a reply yo the original post
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:03 PM
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3. Good luck with that douchebags. You're good at cutting taxes, nothing else.
The reason border enforcement sucked was cause you idiots de-funded it.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:04 PM
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4. Projecting again. n/t
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:06 PM
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5. Wait a minute, guys....
"deep spending cuts".... they must be talking about the military.. right?

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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:21 PM
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6. No
They Mean Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid,Unemplyment Benefets,SSi.Anything non Military.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:15 PM
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20. Damn.. forgot that sarcasm thing again! nt
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:32 PM
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7. Geez, a promise is no where's near a CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!
This must be a sign that Newt isn't really running things.

I would have thought that a COVENANT would have been the next level of committment, promises are just cheap.
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:35 PM
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8. We need to seriously think about banning the midterm elections
If we can ban the scumbag republicans from taking over the House and Senate, then we can concentrate on getting our much needed initiatives passed, and once the final throes of republicanist controlled economics is finally passed, we can then move forward. But if we had banned the republican party back when Obama and the Congress were fully in our favor, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Gutless congress democrats...
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:57 PM
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10. How about "Abolish the Senate?"
The House of Representatives will pass our initiatives. The Senate has held up everything they possibly could, including votes on appointments of people even the Republicans like. So, why not disband the Senate? What would it take? A Constitutional amendment? Fine! Let's write one up. This would move us closer to a parliament/prime minister type of government, kind of like the rest of the civilized world.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:58 PM
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17. Good idea! nt
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:56 PM
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26. Nope, only a ConCon can abolish the Senate
It's the only thing that even a Constitution Amendment can't change. You would need a Constitutional Convention, and good luck with that.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 01:19 AM
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34. I don't think it's the only thing.
For instance, it's generally accepted that an amendment couldn't be written so as to prevent it's repeal by a subsequent amendment.

Any fundamental structural characteristic is likely off limits.
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Gecko6400 Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 07:18 AM
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36. "One should be careful
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 07:21 AM by Gecko6400
of what one wishes for Caesar."
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:59 PM
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12. How exactly do you ban a party or an election cycle?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:54 PM
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24. Ok there Stalin
If Obama were to ban the Republican Party, then the Civil War II starts with every state breaking free, and his immediate impeachment.
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:21 PM
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30. OK, Reagan/Nixon... what is YOUR solution????
Seriously. We are gonna lose 80 seats in the House and 12-18 in the Senate...what's YOUR solution???

The only alternative is to ram through as much of the agenda as we can, and put limits on how they can be retracted (perhaps judicial). IN addition, we need to get as many progressive on the Federal bench as we can.

DAMN the spineless congress! WE HAD OUR CHANCE TO KILL THE REPUBLIDAN PARTY AND WE BLEW IT!!!

Yes, I'm ranting, and you haven't seen my full ire yet.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:06 AM
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35. Not wanting to ban a rival party does not make one Reagan/Nixon
And as terrible as they were, they are better than Stalin my a mile anyway. We won't lose anything close to 80 House seats and 10-12 Senate seats. But in the unlikely event that we do? There's nothing more we can do. Outlawing a party won't help, everyone would rebel including 95% of Democrats. The solution is for many states to succeed into four countries. A liberal country. A conservative country. A Libertarian. A moderate one. Everyone is happy.

We never had our chance to ban them. We can't without a Constitutional Amendment. 2/3rds in both Houses, and 37 states. You think you have those votes? If you get them and we have a one-Party system, consider the rebellion which every sane person would support.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:53 PM
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9. This is horseshit!
This point:

End TARP Once And For All: Americans are rightly outraged at the bailouts of businesses and entities that force responsible taxpayers to subsidize irresponsible behavior. We will cancel the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), a move that would save taxpayers roughly $16 billion.

Hey, fuckers! YOU created TARP to bail out your fucking Banksters and Con Street artists. And now you want to "cancel" it for the benefit of the American taxpayers?

What fucking liars!!!
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:58 PM
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11. Here's the GOP Playbook ...
Stolen from the deep recesses of Cheney's bunker (I think it forgot to take it with him).

1) Cut Taxes (for the very rich elite)
2) Spending Cuts (for Social Security, Medicare, Unemployed Benefits, S-Chip, ...)
3) Repeal Obama's Health Care Law (Except the part that gives the health insurance companies the extra members)
4) Ban Federal Funding of Abortion (Unless it's to hide their infidelity, or to help their child)
5) Job Creation (In China, India and lands far away)
6) Increase Border Enforcement (along the Mexico border. We don't need to worry about Canada)
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:08 PM
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13. This is Laughs,......
Everybody knows repugs don't read.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:14 PM
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14. I Love This, It's So Desperate And Bound To Fail
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 06:16 PM by Beetwasher
These shucksters are too stupid to understand that the only reason this worked the first time was cuz they were out of power for so long. People really don't like or trust them at all. This will be a massive failure and I think they are banking on it's effectiveness to deliver in Nov. This gives me high hopes for dems if this their bestshot.
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paulflorez Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:23 PM
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15. "medical liability reform" means shifting the liability TO THE PATIENT!
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 06:24 PM by paulflorez
I read the GOP healthcare plan, including tort reform.

It takes away your right to sue for punitive damages if the doctor "accidentally" permanently disables you or kills you. You can only sue if you can prove that the doctor did it out of malice.

It sets a CAP on non-economic damages to no more than $250,000. That's how much a human life is worth in their eyes.

Of course there is no cap on economic damages. Wealthy people who earn $300,000 a year can sue for those lost wages. A middle class American who earns $30,000 a year can only sue for the $30,000 income, NO MORE! With uncapped non-economic damages, all lives were treated fairly equally and if a value had to be put on a life it was done by a jury of peers, not a bunch of Republican politicians.

Even if you can sue for punitive damages, it is capped at $250,000 or the value of ECONOMIC damages, whichever is GREATER! Once again, the WEALTHY can sue for more than the average middle class American because the wealthy earn more!

This doesn't reduce liability or healthcare costs, it SHIFTS them to the patient. Whereas you could sue your doctor before if they screwed up, now YOU will have to BUY MALPRACTICE INSURANCE to protect you from your doctor screwing up. Not to mention the fact that if you can sue, you are limited by a cap that does not apply IF YOU ARE RICH.




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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:05 PM
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27. Here is the link
http://rules-republicans.house.gov/Media/PDF/Republican...

Lawsuit reform starts on page 150 if anyone is interested. paulflorez gave a pretty good summary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:54 PM
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16. It's the new
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:01 PM
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18. Ahem
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:05 PM
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19. where were those spending cuts back during the Bush administration?
nuff said
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:19 PM
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29. Which is why their own voters turned them out. n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:23 PM
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21. CNN- GOP's 'Pledge to America' lays out a governing agenda-- GOVERN???
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:33 PM
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22. Would those "deep spending cuts" include military crap and cost of wars?
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:07 AM
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32. of course not.
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Thav Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:42 PM
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23. I'm confused...
"Regarding the policies of the current government, the governed do not consent," reads a preamble to the agenda. "An arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites makes decisions, issues mandates, and enacts laws without accepting or requesting the input of the many."

Are they talking about the current administration, or GOP administrations and congresses?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:51 PM
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28. They're trying to turn this into the Contract on America v 2.0.
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:45 PM
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31. I'm looking forward to seeing this
The Republicans want a national platform and most of the crap they're throwing out there is pretty unpopular. Once people look at the Republican alternatives, then they'll realize who has the better policies.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:25 AM
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33. Spending cuts? So will they have the guts
to trim the wasteful military spending to a more reasonable level of say 150 billion which is would be roughly equal to what China and Russia spend combined or are they going to be gutless cowards and not cut that wasteful spending?
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 07:59 AM
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37. The "pledge" fits our "Golden Age of Stupidity"
Cut taxes, cut spending, and all will be well.

This is a brilliant corollary of the principle that water flows uphill.

After 30 years of economic misinformation, capped by the Golden Age of Stupidity in which we now live, I see no problem selling this to voters.
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