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WP: Bush's Efforts to Offset Clarke Stymied
Republicans Say Administration Struggling for Momentum After Ex-Aide's Assertions

Sunday, March 28, 2004; Page A23

CRAWFORD, Tex., March 27 -- President Bush's intense efforts to neutralize the revelations of former national security official Richard A. Clarke have yet to succeed, leaving White House officials struggling to regain political momentum after a tumultuous week, according to interviews with Republicans both inside and outside the administration.

One Bush aide, who refused to be identified because the administration limits who may speak on the record, acknowledged that the White House had underestimated the political and media firestorm that Clarke would ignite. Beginning with interviews in connection with his new book and continuing with Capitol Hill testimony, Clarke said he had watched Bush repeatedly ignore warnings about al Qaeda before Sept. 11, 2001, then diverted resources from the broader war on terrorism for an attack on Iraq.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who rode in Bush's limousine during a presidential visit to Phoenix on Friday, said the Clarke counterattack was "the most vigorous offensive I've ever seen from the administration on any issue.

"These attacks go to the heart of the strength of the president, and they felt it had to be put down and put down quickly," McCain said. "Whether they'll succeed or not is unclear."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29992-20...
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   They won't succeed.  aquart   Mar-27-04 11:10 PM   #1 
   Why didn't the White House  coldwatercyn   Mar-28-04 01:57 AM   #19 
      Can you imagine if they had blocked publication of  Kool Kitty   Mar-28-04 02:07 AM   #20 
      I will bet the thought crossed their mind though n/t  NNN0LHI   Mar-28-04 08:00 AM   #38 
      I wouldn't doubt it. n/t  Kool Kitty   Mar-28-04 10:24 PM   #59 
      Good point  wicket   Mar-29-04 10:19 AM   #62 
      arrogance  seekthetruth   Mar-28-04 12:49 PM   #45 
         Or maybe  lolly   Mar-28-04 04:12 PM   #49 
   They Certainly Did Underestimate. Guess They Thought  cryingshame   Mar-27-04 11:14 PM   #2 
   I think you meant misunderestimate  jamesinca   Mar-28-04 12:26 AM   #14 
   CBS contact info at the bottom:  calimary   Mar-28-04 03:00 AM   #25 
      A Thousand Cool Points To calimary  dbt   Mar-28-04 07:32 AM   #35 
         Thanks! I see your toast and raise you two champagnes.  calimary   Mar-28-04 02:19 PM   #47 
   Clarke's book is giving new life to ONeill's book lol  Joanne98   Mar-28-04 08:16 AM   #39 
      Yea ... I just started O'neills book - it's great ...  SayitAintSo   Mar-28-04 08:41 PM   #57 
   That's just it!  Lindacooks   Mar-27-04 11:14 PM   #3 
   Keep Up Your Hard Work DUers  proud patriotLead Moderator   Mar-27-04 11:19 PM   #4 
   If Clarke prevails, Dumbya loses the election. It's life-or-death for Bush  Bozita   Mar-27-04 11:21 PM   #5 
   LOL! Bush at 49 (buried in middle) "Strong foundation" sez WP  John_H   Mar-27-04 11:23 PM   #6 
   Yeah! HELL YEAH!  grytpype   Mar-27-04 11:33 PM   #7 
   I hope so, but these poll numbers are pretty depressing:  DeepModem Mom   Mar-28-04 03:39 AM   #27 
      I noticed in this most recent Newsweek poll, there is a huge difference  54anickel   Mar-28-04 07:51 AM   #37 
   MUST READ, and READ IT ALL  grytpype   Mar-27-04 11:35 PM   #8 
   Read this, you won't believe it!  grytpype   Mar-27-04 11:40 PM   #9 
   I diaried on this here...  grytpype   Mar-28-04 12:02 AM   #11 
   Dear Leader reminds me a lot  kskiska   Mar-28-04 02:49 AM   #23 
   i'm certain they attracted more attention to Clarke by attacking him so  truthisfreedom   Mar-27-04 11:49 PM   #10 
   Not only that, Beers and Clarke QUIT; O'Neill was fired  PurityOfEssence   Mar-28-04 01:23 AM   #17 
   Sunday AM, Richard Clarke appears on Meet The Press  Bozita   Mar-28-04 12:02 AM   #12 
   Any bets on him reading the book ahead of time?  kgfnally   Mar-28-04 03:19 AM   #26 
   Hope everyone read the other WP article Clarke Critique Reignites Debate  rmpalmer   Mar-28-04 12:22 AM   #13 
   Begala commented on Woodward's access to PDBs  buycitgo   Mar-28-04 05:51 AM   #31 
   That's an important article, rmpalmer --  DeepModem Mom   Mar-28-04 06:27 AM   #34 
   I thought that was one of the most important things Clarke said.  snippy   Mar-28-04 08:17 AM   #40 
   that is a great article. Thanks rmpalmer!... This part is good...  leftchick   Mar-28-04 10:45 AM   #44 
   That silver spoon chickenhawk shithead must be throwing a real hissy fit.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-28-04 01:16 AM   #15 
   "silver spoon chickenhawk shithead"  buycitgo   Mar-28-04 05:53 AM   #32 
      Be my guest  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Mar-28-04 10:35 PM   #60 
   "couldn't do in eight months what wasn't done in eight years"  PurityOfEssence   Mar-28-04 01:17 AM   #16 
   Best news is that the publishing biz is like Hollywood..  Caliphoto   Mar-28-04 01:44 AM   #18 
   Someone should write a book called "Spawn"  Joanne98   Mar-28-04 08:26 AM   #41 
   The whole world will drink to see those bastards shamed into defeat  0007   Mar-28-04 09:01 AM   #43 
   Maybe someone can help me understand something here...  Zhade   Mar-28-04 02:11 AM   #21 
   IIRC, 60 days was just added to the Commission's lifespan  Bozita   Mar-28-04 02:26 AM   #22 
   I see it as a limited hang-out that they may wish was even more limited!  Zhade   Mar-28-04 04:04 AM   #29 
      yep!!!  frank frankly   Mar-28-04 04:24 PM   #51 
   Did they read it?  lolly   Mar-28-04 04:22 PM   #50 
   Funny - Matalin is STILL trying to blame Clinton.  calimary   Mar-28-04 02:58 AM   #24 
   Great article. And some ammo.  Snazzy   Mar-28-04 04:02 AM   #28 
   god DAMN it!  buycitgo   Mar-28-04 05:45 AM   #30 
   I'll send it to you every day, BCG  grasswire   Mar-28-04 05:54 AM   #33 
   Go to bugmenot.com/  snippy   Mar-28-04 08:31 AM   #42 
      Oh GAWD bless you !!!!!  SayitAintSo   Mar-28-04 08:44 PM   #58 
   Bush insiders slam lack of discussion  JoFerret   Mar-28-04 07:47 AM   #36 
   Excellent article. Thanks JoFerret (n/t)  Ravy   Mar-28-04 02:04 PM   #46 
   Reasons why McCain should never be re-elected......  goforit   Mar-28-04 02:27 PM   #48 
   It's rewarding to watch these particular worms squirm.  higher class   Mar-28-04 06:55 PM   #52 
   Sometimes I think they have Dick Morris and Frank, the NBC poll  higher class   Mar-28-04 07:01 PM   #53 
   These two paragraphs from above should be repeated...  higher class   Mar-28-04 07:18 PM   #54 
   "Underestimated"...Yeah, they  Piperay   Mar-28-04 07:33 PM   #55 
   The only political momentum Bu$h Inc. has is their ownership of  wildwww2   Mar-28-04 07:49 PM   #56 
   And then Wilson's book is coming out.......  9215   Mar-29-04 10:16 AM   #61 
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Mar-27-04 11:10 PM
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1. They won't succeed.
He's been questioned about the one place he thought he was safe. John Wayne Land. And we already know he's a liar.
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coldwatercyn (67 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 01:57 AM
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19. Why didn't the White House
stop the release of Clarke's book when they had it for review? Are they that stupid? Or is it that they can't read? Either way, get them out.
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:07 AM
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20. Can you imagine if they had blocked publication of
Mr. Clarke's book? Then he could have gone on all the talk shows and told everyone that he had written a book about all this and the Bush administration had blocked the publication. They could never defend that move. Yes, they are stupid, but not that stupid.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 08:00 AM
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38. I will bet the thought crossed their mind though n/t
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 10:24 PM
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59. I wouldn't doubt it. n/t
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62. Good point
They were pretty much damned if they do, damned if they don't. I love it when people play hardball with the Bushies! :D
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 12:49 PM
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45. arrogance
they felt that they were untouchable...and were proven wrong!
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49. Or maybe
The idiots never actually read it?

None of them seem particularly inclined to spend the time it takes to read a whole book to find out any information.
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Mar-27-04 11:14 PM
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2. They Certainly Did Underestimate. Guess They Thought
Clarke would go the way of O'Neill.
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14. I think you meant misunderestimate
I wonder if this is not a summation thing. The Suskind book with O'Neil sorta got things going. If that had been the only book this may have blown over. Now there is this book by Clarke and it is not going away as quick. When the book by Amb. Joseph Wilson comes out I think that may be the end of it for this administration. Three telling books by three people involved with the WH.

We can help drive this by writing to CBS/60 Minutes and ask them to revisit a story from two years ago that they did with an FBI agent. I think her name was Edwards. It was about be silenced by AG Ashcroft regarding 9/11.
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25. CBS contact info at the bottom:
(FROM DUer bigtree – 3/2004) Use the responses to strike back at the attacks, here and elsewhere.

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dbt (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 07:32 AM
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35. A Thousand Cool Points To calimary
Thank you for the links!

:toast:
dbt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:19 PM
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47. Thanks! I see your toast and raise you two champagnes.
But thanks also to bigtree who issued the original list. I HAVE added a couple of things to it.

Here's another one from Mari333: “MEET THE PRESS”: MTP@NBC.com

I've added it to my own master list that I occasionally copy and paste here. So it'll be there from now on.

Hugs!

And - note my sig line at the bottom - TOLL FREE to give 'em HELL on the Hill!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 08:16 AM
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39. Clarke's book is giving new life to ONeill's book lol
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57. Yea ... I just started O'neills book - it's great ...
I figured I better read it before I got clarkes.... They are all sold out here in Columbia SC, of all places.... a FCKN red state ....


Yee Haw :bounce:
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Mar-27-04 11:14 PM
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3. That's just it!
They haven't 'put' anything down. Personal attacks against Clarke do nothing to defuse this - and they can't answer the charges directly because they KNOW they are true.
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proud patriot Lead Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Mar-27-04 11:19 PM
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4. Keep Up Your Hard Work DUers
:D
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5. If Clarke prevails, Dumbya loses the election. It's life-or-death for Bush
and, If I were James Carville, I'd ... I'd send her on a vacation to Times Beach. Look at this from the article:

-snip-

Mary Matalin, a former White House official and a senior adviser to the Bush-Cheney campaign, said that what she called "normal people" will wind up focusing on the larger issues of whether the attacks were an act of war and how the country will continue the global war on terrorism.

"The dramatic moments were dramatic moments, but the hysteria is a Beltway phenomenon," she said. "It was a draw on Clarke, and a net positive for the president because he had the opportunity to speak out on what he did and why he did it. People may know who Richard Clarke is now, but they also know that the president couldn't do in eight months what wasn't done in eight years."

-snip-
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6. LOL! Bush at 49 (buried in middle) "Strong foundation" sez WP
In the world of Chimp-spinning media whores, Dubya's gone from being a "popular president" a month ago at 51% to having a "strong foundation" at 49. Which means that the Washington post has gone from "utterly shameless" to "laughably idiotic" in less than a month.


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7. Yeah! HELL YEAH!
The statue is starting to topple....
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 03:39 AM
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27. I hope so, but these poll numbers are pretty depressing:
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 04:01 AM by DeepModem Mom
"The (Newsweek) poll showed Bush maintaining a strong showing on the intangible qualities that have always been his biggest appeal. When asked which phrases describe Bush, 62 percent said he has strong leadership qualities, 65 percent said he is personally likable, 61 percent said he says what he believes rather than what people want to hear, and 55 percent said he is honest and ethical. Bush was 6 to 18 percentage points ahead of Kerry in each category."

Are that many people clueless, or in denial, or has the press done one heck of a complete con job on most people?
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37. I noticed in this most recent Newsweek poll, there is a huge difference
between their original poll and the web poll. I don't know if they poll their readers, subscribers or randomly, but it's a huge difference. I notice the web responses have nearly doubled since I first looked at this last night.

Check this one out -

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4614361 /

from the interactive poll link midway down this article
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4614818 /

Came across it in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Mar-27-04 11:35 PM
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8. MUST READ, and READ IT ALL
It just gets better and better and better!
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9. Read this, you won't believe it!
Bush is spending the weekend at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., before heading into a week built around celebrations of achieving a campaign treasury of $170 million, a political record.
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 12:02 AM
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11. I diaried on this here...
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:49 AM
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23. Dear Leader reminds me a lot
of the Great Leader in Woody Allen's "Sleeper" – the guy in a wheelchair with the German Shepherd. Then all they had left was the nose.
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Mar-27-04 11:49 PM
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10. i'm certain they attracted more attention to Clarke by attacking him so
vigorously... much more attention than he would have drawn had they had a more statesmanlike response. the media has been given opportunity after opportunity this week because of bush's attack dogs highlighting the issue to mention that Clarke worked for reagan, bush sr, Clinton, and w, and it makes bush look ridiculous to have his staff claim that Clarke wouldn't know what was going on around him. as the total number of these people gather together to reveal the inner workings of the WH, Beers, O'Neil, and now Clarke, a certain critical mass is achieved and it becomes increasingly apparent that the only defense against them that the administration can muster is to shout epithets and claim, literally, that they are all insane. how many men working inside the administration could have been insane at the same time? and how likely does it look to the American public that there is something more insidious going on inside the administration... which has been responsible for so many questionable acts and has been so completely unaccountable, cloaking everything in the jingoistic catchphrases of "national security" and "executive priviledge?"
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 01:23 AM
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17. Not only that, Beers and Clarke QUIT; O'Neill was fired
Beers said when he quit that the folks in this administration had long since made up their minds about things and were just looking for justifications. Sounds familiar, huh?

If Beers and Clarke were losers, why weren't they fired?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 12:02 AM
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12. Sunday AM, Richard Clarke appears on Meet The Press
Timmyboy's gonna bring up this article.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 03:19 AM
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26. Any bets on him reading the book ahead of time?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 12:22 AM
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13. Hope everyone read the other WP article Clarke Critique Reignites Debate
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 12:23 AM by rmpalmer
Some good tidbits there as well including the WP backing the Clarke allegations on Bushie's planning Iraq attack.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28976-20...

snippets:

Clarke's description of the discussions about Iraq's possible involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks is generally consistent with other accounts, such as that in "Bush at War" by Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, in his public testimony before the commission Tuesday, confirmed that Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul D. Wolfowitz -- a forceful advocate of attacking Iraq -- "raised the issue of whether or not Iraq should be considered for action during this time."

Woodward, in "Bush at War," wrote that the president ended the debate at Camp David that weekend by saying, "I believe Iraq was involved, but I'm not going to strike them now. I don't have the evidence at this point."

Clarke also caused a stir last week by saying that Bush, in his secret directive ordering the strike against Afghanistan six days after Sept. 11, also told the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq. The Post had reported on this directive more than a year ago, generating no complaint from the administration. But in the furor over Clarke, administration officials said the Iraq order actually involved contingency plans if Iraq tried to take advantage of the fact the United States was fighting in Afghanistan.

Woodward, whose book was based in large part on notes taken at National Security Council meetings, does not mention that the Iraq discussion involved such contingencies. Rather, Woodward reports extensively on an intense debate among senior officials whether an invasion was necessary shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Moreover, a senior administration official, in a Post interview more than a year ago, said Pentagon officials used the language contained in Bush's Afghanistan directive to begin planning for an invasion of Iraq.

I wonder if there is any chance at all Woodward in his new book finds his old Watergate soul?
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buycitgo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 05:51 AM
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31. Begala commented on Woodward's access to PDBs
"Woodward, whose book was based in large part on notes taken at National Security Council meetings......."

notes to which the 911 commission apparently doesn't have access, only ZELIKOW!!!!!!!!!!!

how insane is THAT?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 06:27 AM
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34. That's an important article, rmpalmer --
It highlights Clarke's statements, dramatic, but pretty much ignored in press coverage: "In the 15 hours of testimony, no one asked me what I thought about the president's invasion of Iraq. And the reason I am strident in my criticism of the president of the United States is because by invading Iraq . . . the president of the United States has greatly undermined the war on terrorism."
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snippy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 08:17 AM
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40. I thought that was one of the most important things Clarke said.
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 10:45 AM
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44. that is a great article. Thanks rmpalmer!... This part is good...
<snip>He said that Arabic-speaking Special Forces officers and CIA officers who were doing a good job tracking Osama bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri and other al Qaeda leaders were pulled out of Afghanistan in March 2002 to begin preparing for Iraq. "We took the people out who could have caught them," he said. "But even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is two years too late. Al Qaeda is a very different organization now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job."

Jessica Stern, Harvard University lecturer and author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill," concurs. "It was a distraction on the war on terrorism and made it more difficult to prosecute because the al Qaeda movement used the war in Iraq to mobilize new recruits and energize the movement," she said. "And we apparently sent Special Forces from Afghanistan, where they should have been fighting al Qaeda, to Iraq."

.....March 2002!!!!
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 01:16 AM
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15. That silver spoon chickenhawk shithead must be throwing a real hissy fit.
He's finally run into something that daddy can't bail him out of.
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buycitgo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 05:53 AM
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32. "silver spoon chickenhawk shithead"
SSCS!

hahahahahahahaha1

GREAT nickname for the chimpweeze

may I borrow?
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 10:35 PM
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60. Be my guest
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 10:41 PM by Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 01:17 AM
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16. "couldn't do in eight months what wasn't done in eight years"
I love this crap. Far as I remember, nothing like this happened in the eight years of Clinton.

Another way of looking at this is that even when hamstrung by a witch-hunting Congress, Clinton still made it through eight years without this kind of thing happening, whereas Junior took it on the chin in 2/3rds of a year. Seems to me that makes Junior twelve times the idiot Clinton was.

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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 01:44 AM
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18. Best news is that the publishing biz is like Hollywood..
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 01:45 AM by Caliphoto
rather lemming-like.. so, we can expect some hefty advances on books penned by other disgrunted former insiders from the Bush Administration. Others have quit, in disgust, just like Clarke. The agents are probably looking for them right now, with check in hand. This could get very, very interesting!

I want to see those bastards shamed into defeat in November. Assholes.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 08:26 AM
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41. Someone should write a book called "Spawn"
A fair and balanced look at Barbara Bush and her children. :)
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0007 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 09:01 AM
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43. The whole world will drink to see those bastards shamed into defeat
this November.
:toast:
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:11 AM
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21. Maybe someone can help me understand something here...
I've read that the White House held Clarke's book while essentially vetting it, then foolishly(?) released it right before the 9/11 Whitewash Commission hearings.

Okay, so here's where it breaks down for me: if the White House held the book until the administration was satisfied with it, for whatever reason...how is this book going to contain anything really new or damaging to b*sh and his fellow traitors?

I mean, I want to see Clarke as a hero, too, but isn't that just a little odd, that the book was released only after the WH was okay with it?

Anyone feel the same way on this, or am I just nuts?

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:26 AM
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22. IIRC, 60 days was just added to the Commission's lifespan
May have tossed the WH's timing out the window.

This is starting to look like a controlled burn gone wild.



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Zhade (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 04:04 AM
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29. I see it as a limited hang-out that they may wish was even more limited!
Very interesting, to say the least.

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frank frankly (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 04:24 PM
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51. yep!!!
damn, zhade, i've been saying that, too

the myth of bushco cannnot survive a limited hangout of any variety
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 04:22 PM
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50. Did they read it?
Just wondered this on another thread.

Maybe none of the Mayberry Machiavelli's bothered to read it.

No one there is especially literate, or shows any evidence of having read much of anything.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:58 AM
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24. Funny - Matalin is STILL trying to blame Clinton.
What a bunch of hogwash.

Man, if this keeps up...
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Snazzy (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 04:02 AM
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28. Great article. And some ammo.
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buycitgo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 05:45 AM
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30. god DAMN it!
they changed their registration deal to an email/password thing, rather than user/password (salon/tabletalk used to work), and no matter what I do, I can't get in there......tried changing emails, different personal info...nothing

can anybody suggest a solution, or give me a fake email address/ID, so I can get in?

pls?

dunno what to do, as the post always has stuff to look at.

dan froomkin's column is an everyday must
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 05:54 AM
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33. I'll send it to you every day, BCG
I did Friday, in case you didn't check your real mail. The links don't pass through, but I can send any URLS you want.

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snippy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 08:31 AM
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42. Go to bugmenot.com/
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 08:44 PM
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58. Oh GAWD bless you !!!!!
Cool .... I love it !!!!!


:bounce:
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 07:47 AM
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36. Bush insiders slam lack of discussion
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20018...

Patterns of failure, arrogance and ignorance
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:04 PM
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46. Excellent article. Thanks JoFerret (n/t)
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goforit (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 02:27 PM
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48. Reasons why McCain should never be re-elected......
What a scum bag and part of the conspiracy!!!

Impeach him as well!!!
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 06:55 PM
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52. It's rewarding to watch these particular worms squirm.
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 07:01 PM
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53. Sometimes I think they have Dick Morris and Frank, the NBC poll
guy, advising them...the two of them believe in themselves and who knows, maybe some in the WH believe them also.
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 07:18 PM
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54. These two paragraphs from above should be repeated...
succinct - powerful - and a new lead/name to check out...

posted by leftchick:

snip>He said that Arabic-speaking Special Forces officers and CIA officers who were doing a good job tracking Osama bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri and other al Qaeda leaders were pulled out of Afghanistan in March 2002 to begin preparing for Iraq. "We took the people out who could have caught them," he said. "But even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is two years too late. Al Qaeda is a very different organization now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job."

Jessica Stern, Harvard University lecturer and author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill," concurs. "It was a distraction on the war on terrorism and made it more difficult to prosecute because the al Qaeda movement used the war in Iraq to mobilize new recruits and energize the movement," she said. "And we apparently sent Special Forces from Afghanistan, where they should have been fighting al Qaeda, to Iraq."

.....March 2002!!!!

He who keeps silent is assumed
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Piperay (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 07:33 PM
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55. "Underestimated"...Yeah, they
seem to make a habit of that, like how they underestimated the threat from Al Quida (sp?) too. :-(
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wildwww2 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Mar-28-04 07:49 PM
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56. The only political momentum Bu$h Inc. has is their ownership of
the media. Clinton was impeached for lying about a blow job. No persons died. Because of it. One President hounded by the media for something that was no ones business but the two people having sex. Another so called President constantly being excused for lies and personal attacks towards any dissenters. By the same media.The media is corrupt exclusively for the benifit of the GOP. Whom the Corporate media owners contribute to in masse. Over the Democrats. And innocent people and our troops are dying everyday. People besides us DU`ers need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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9215 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Mar-29-04 10:16 AM
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61. And then Wilson's book is coming out.......
in a couple of months. Ha, Ha, Ha!!

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