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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:43 PM
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Leaked war files no surprise to Afghans
Source: Sydney Morning Herald

Afghan defence minister Abdul Rahim Wardak has played down the fallout from the Wikileaks scandal, saying the information released was "not a big surprise".

"Actually for us Afghans, and especially some of us dealing with intelligence, we knew it all along," he said during a visit to Malaysia on Monday.

"For us it was not a big surprise because we were sharing intelligence. We were aware of the size of the activities and support of the Taliban," he said.

"It is good now that everyone knows about it."

Read more: http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/leaked-war-files-no-surprise-to-afghans-20100802-112su.html



The Afghan defense minister is glad about the leaks.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 07:13 PM
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1. K & R
This article is no surprise. The Wikileaks release was to enlighten those of us funding the war not those who already know what's going on.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 07:45 PM
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2. Yep and that backs up the idea that the only security risk for them is their crimes being found out.
Edited on Mon Aug-02-10 07:48 PM by L0oniX
I don't understand why they even care because they know that nothing will happen to them. If there was a danger then we woiuld have gone after Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfotwits, Kindasleeza and all the other war liars.

Stick that fucking mushroom cloud right up your asses!
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 08:04 PM
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3. Afraid you've got it exactly right!
I truly wish there would be some consequence for these war criminals.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 08:05 PM
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4. Taliban Seeks Vengeance in Wake of WikiLeaks
After WikiLeaks published a trove of U.S. intelligence documents—some of which listed the names and villages of Afghans who had been secretly cooperating with the American military—it didn’t take long for the Taliban to react. A spokesman for the group quickly threatened to “punish” any Afghan listed as having “collaborated” with the U.S. and the Kabul authorities against the growing Taliban insurgency. In recent days, the Taliban has demonstrated how seriously those threats should be considered. Late last week, just four days after the documents were published, death threats began arriving at the homes of key tribal elders in southern Afghanistan. And over the weekend one tribal elder, Khalifa Abdullah, who the Taliban believed had been in close contact with the Americans, was taken from his home in Monar village, in Kandahar province’s embattled Arghandab district, and executed by insurgent gunmen.

The violence may just be beginning. According to Agha Lali, the deputy head of Kandahar’s provincial council, threatening letters have been delivered to 70 elders in Panjwaii district. While it is unknown whether any of the men were indeed named in the WikiLeaks documents, it’s clear the Taliban believes they have been cooperating with Western forces and the Afghan government. One short handwritten note, shown to NEWSWEEK, said: “We have made a decision for your death. You have five days to leave Afghan soil. If you don’t, you don’t have the right to complain.” The screed, written on the letterhead of Mullah Mohammed Omar’s defunct Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, bore the signature of Abdul Rauf Khadim, a senior Taliban official and former inmate at the American lockup in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, who had been released into—and subsequently escaped from—Kabul’s custody last year.

The frightening combination of the Taliban spokesman’s threat, Abdullah’s death, and the spate of letters has sparked a panic among many Afghans who have worked closely with coalition forces in the past, according to a senior Taliban intelligence officer who declined to be named for security reasons. The officer said he has seen reports of Afghans rushing to U.S. and coalition bases in southern and eastern Afghanistan over the past few days, seeking protection and even asking for political asylum. (U.S. military officials would not verify this information.) The Taliban officer claimed that the group’s English-language media department continues to actively examine the WikiLeaks material and intends to draw up lists of collaborators in each province, to add to the hit lists of local insurgent commanders.

The big question going forward is whether the leaked material will make regular Afghans more wary about cooperating with coalition forces. The intelligence officer, unsurprisingly, believes this will be the case. “The impact of this should be good for us and a slap in the face to those who are working with America,” he says. “America is not a good protector of spies.” Locals have long known that the Taliban deals harshly with those it suspects of working against it: the ruthless guerrillas have assassinated scores, if not hundreds, of tribal elders and Afghans of all ages for their alleged cooperation with the coalition. In one particularly gruesome case a few months ago, according to the intelligence officer, the Taliban discovered that a group of recent high-school graduates in Ghazni province had been feeding information to the Americans. The youths were arrested, and around 10 of them were hanged. The Taliban is also shutting down cell-phone networks after dark in an effort to prevent villagers from alerting coalition forces to the insurgents’ locations.

More at http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/02/taliban-seeks-vengeance-in-wake-of-wikileaks.html
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 09:18 PM
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6. Is it the Taliban or the ISI? Or the ISI working through the Taliban?
If we gave the ISI more money would that get them to call off their Afghan assets?

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 10:01 PM
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7. Or the CIA.
The Taliban woudn't be senindg nice letters giving people five days to leave, if they could find them. They would dead by now.

Sounds like the old and later exposed Al Zarqawi propaganda. I wonder how much we are paying for War PR still. And if the Rendon Group is still doing it?

I wish I were not so disbelieving, but really, their lies always sound like fairy tales of big, bad scary people. Not at all like the real world.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 07:30 AM
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9. I think the intention is to deter others from collaborating. Secret hits
are not as effective as widely publicized death threats.

Either way, Assange has a good deal of blood on his hands. May he rot in hell.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 10:44 AM
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10. He doesn't have blood on his hands. The information was available to all US military
and military contractors all over the world. The US said there was no security threat then one person started saying there was a few days later - even though Wikileaks said they removed names. It's highly unlikely real names are in the files anyway as everyone whose ever worked in security already knows.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 04:04 PM
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16.  I know, sorry if I wasn't clear. But they have their minions out
all over the media and the internet making these false claims and sadly some people are falling for it.

They've succeeded also, as no one is discussing the material in the documents themselves. The confirmation of the huge number of civilian deaths in Afghanistan, eg.

Propaganda works sadly. You'd think we'd know better by now.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:14 AM
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11. Assange says he sent the leak to the white house before releasing it
to verify that it would not hurt anyone. So they sanitized it first. He says that what's being said now - that he has blood on his hands or put people in danger, directly contradicts what the White house said before he released the documents.

This is Assange speaking on Democracy now about that:

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/8/3/julian_assange_responds_to_increasing_us

He says that Wikileaks intentionally has held back 15,000 documents because they didn't want to put people in danger. And that there is no incident of blood on his hands - there's the allegations that he could have blood on his hands which contradicts the white house after they went through the release to make sure nobody would get hurt.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 03:29 PM
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13. Sorry, but Assange is not the one with blood on his hands
What an odd thing to say considering the over one million dead Iraqis and who knows how many dead Afghans there are? Long before anyone heard of Wikileaks. Although these documents do give a better idea of how many civilian deaths there have been in Afghanistan. Apparently those numbers are way higher than we have told.

A guy does what the press should have done years ago and HE'S the one with blood on his hands?

But there is NO outrage over the deaths of over a million human beings included thousands of U.S. troops and other NATO troops?

The whole thing was based on lies, and you think people are going to believe anything they are now being told?

Assange offered the military the opportunity to review the documents before publishing them. They refused. So if the documents are responsible for revealing names, on two counts the fault lies with the military. One, they should never had had those names written down to begin with, and two since they DID make that bad mistake, they should have reviewed the documents and removed the names.

Sorry, but the world knows whose hands are covered with blood. Lying a country into war is a treasonous offense, anything that results from that crime is the fault of the criminals who started it including whistle-blowers. If you don't want crimes to be revealed, then don't commit them.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 05:19 PM
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17. The guy who wrote the book Black Water was on Democracy now
saying that not only did US contractors have access to all of the information, but they also work for other countries beside the United States, at the same time.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:27 PM
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18. Thanks, was it Jeremy Scahill? I'll check it out.
This whole angle they have come up with just makes them look worse. Knowing how many people would have access to those documents it was really sloppy intelligence work not to mention totally irresponsible showing they did not really care much about those lives, to include those names in those reports.

And as I said, they should have accepted Wikileaks' offer to review them. I guess that tells us how much they cared? Only now do they care when they want to discredit Wikileaks.

Thanks for the info on the NPR interview.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 04:00 PM
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15. Good. The sooner the effort collapses, the sooner the killing will stop.
And to say Julian has blood on his hands on the Pentagon's say so is quite a leap of faith.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 03:32 PM
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14. Or bounty hunters like the ones that sold innocent people to Rumsfeld
for his parade to Gitmo? :shrug:
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 08:07 PM
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5. or to americans - its like leaking that gravity exists! Although real names
Edited on Mon Aug-02-10 08:08 PM by stray cat
helps create hit lists for any one aiding americans
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 03:35 AM
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8. Reminds me of that 70s doonesbury strip on the "secret" bombing of Cambodia
Phred toured the bombed-out shrines and temples of Cambodia, and then took hundreds of Cambodian refugees to Washington to lobby for relief.

Phred and his guide come across a museum, and an old couple resembling "American Gothic" but with conical straw hats:

PHRED: The museum! It's been destroyed!

OLD MAN WITH PITCHFORK: I know, boy. I was the curator.

PHRED: What happened?! The secret bombings?!

OMWP: Secret bombings?! They were no secret! Everybody knew about them! I remarked on it. I said, "Look, Martha, here come the bombs!"

OLD WOMAN: That's right, he did.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 11:17 AM
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12. LOL
Only the Sheep were misled
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