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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:51 AM
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Pelosi's new office is House's costliest by far
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(06-15) 04:00 PDT Washington --

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has more than quadrupled the rent on her San Francisco district office, making the $18,736-a-month cost of her new South of Market space the highest in the House, according to a new report.

Her rent is nearly double that of the next-highest rent among House members. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., pays $10,600 a month for his Manhattan office, while representatives from Sacramento, Boston and Los Angeles pay nearly that much, the report said.

The financial data were compiled from public records by the nonprofit Sunlight Foundation and Roll Call, a political newspaper. Information from the database is not yet available online.

Pelosi moved in the fall from the federal building at 450 Golden Gate Ave. to the 18-story federal building at 90 Seventh St. She had been paying about $4,300 a month for her old office, Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/0...
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:52 AM
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1. "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:06 PM
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7. a saute aux yeux
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:53 AM
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2. Why does the federal govt charge Congresscritters so much???
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 11:54 AM by BrklynLiberal
It is a federal bldg...right?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:00 PM
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3. That's our girl!
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 12:02 PM by Catherina


Is it any wonder she's so totally out of touch?
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:01 PM
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4. Do the tax payers pay this bill? If so this is an outrage. if we don't pay for it then who cares.
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:03 PM
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5. We do
But we also receive the rent since it's a federal building.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:05 PM
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6. we could be collecting that rent from a private party instead, no?
I guess I'm not really familiar with how federal buildings work.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:12 PM
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9. It houses federal offices
But, is either privately owned, or owned by the city or county.Just because it says "federal " on it, does not mean it is owned by the govt.
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:25 PM
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11. Was not aware of that.
That makes absolutely zero sense to me. Why wouldn't the federal government save money by building and operating the federal building themselves? Just more corporate welfare.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:03 PM
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21. The selling of federal government buildings started with Reagan

And continues to this day.
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Titanothere Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:20 PM
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29. No, it's cheaper and more efficient to lease office space
My company got rid of all the office buildings they could years ago, otherwise you're anchored to them, have to pay for upkeep etc.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:08 PM
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8. commercial real estate is assessed in square feet and as Speaker, she might actually need more space
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 12:08 PM by nashville_brook
for staff, meeting rooms, etc -- so, i wouldn't put too much poopie into this.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:19 PM
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10. Office space in some cities is far more expensive than in others.
San Francisco is one of the ones where it is very expensive. I imagine she has a rather large suite of offices, too. Might be out of line in price, but I doubt it.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:26 PM
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12. On edit from #9
If the Govt. owns it, why would she have to pay rent?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:30 PM
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14. It's a budgetary thing. Every agency in the building pays rent.
That's a pretty normal thing. Either that, or the building is privately owned. That's also common these days with federal buildings. I doubt it, though, in this case.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:51 PM
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26. thank you Mineral Man
I was waiting for someone to inject some reality into this conversation.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:18 PM
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28. I try. And the blows just roll off my shoulders.
The joy of virtual interactions.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:30 PM
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13. Also San Francisco is very high rent. Location. Location. n/t
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:51 PM
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16. 3075 ft/$225,000 per year = > $70/ft/yr
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 12:53 PM by Psephos
That's not to BUY it, that's to RENT it. She quadrupled her rent in this economy? How Leona Helmsely-esque of her.

I think I WOULD put much poopie on this. Utter tone-deafness...goes quite well with the 80 grand of taxpayer money she spent on booze for her plane last year.

What else could be done with that quarter million?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:14 PM
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27. The MP and MLA offices Ive driven by here in BC are dumps
I think those in the US could take a few lessons. Neither here nor there.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:31 PM
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15. She pays the rent to the General Services Administration - we, the taxpayers
that is since it's a Federal Building owned by the government. It's also a fairly new building, completed in 2005 and one of the 'greener' projects in SF:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Federal_Buil...
The San Francisco Federal Building is a building designed by the architectural firm Morphosis. It is located at 90 7th Street on the corner of Mission and 7th Streets in South of Market, San Francisco. Thom Mayne of Morphosis designed the building using a concept of "resistance," juxtaposing gray concrete walls with custom, zig-zagged 9Wood wood ceilings<2>. The building was expected to be completed in 2005, but construction issues and delays pushed the project completion to 2007. The building has 18 floors of office space and stands 234 feet (71 m) tall.

The building was designed to be a 'green' building consuming less than half the power of a standard office tower -- an indication of how building design can help slash emissions of greenhouse gases. It is the first naturally ventilated office building on the west coast since the advent of air conditioning.<3>

The building features elevators which stop on every third floor to promote employee interaction and health. Users of the building exit the elevators and walk either up or down one floor via stairs. There are, however, also elevators which stop on every floor for users unable or unwilling to negotiate stairs.


Now, considering that most tenants are paying more than average in commercial green buildings on a per sq ft basis due to increased construction costs that would be re-couped by an offset in lower utility costs - this is pretty much a non story of typical Republican outrage manufacture.

Then add in the additional cost for security for the person third in line of succession for the Presidency (who is constantly vilified on hate radio to the militia wackos out there) and there might even have been a move based on a Secret Service request or something rather than the way it's being portrayed as some over spending liberal woman in search of more vanity or fancy draperies.

As often as I am shocked by the RW dumbed-downs who jump at every bone tossed out by the RNC, I'm even more amazed to see some of the folks here at DU jump just as quickly to the same conclusions. How are we going to counteract the misinformation to them when we can't even seem to do it among ourselves?
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:54 PM
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17. Where in that article does it say
that the land and building are OWNED by the federal Govt.?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:06 PM
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22. It's owned by GSA
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:31 PM
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23. Not sure if you mean the OP or the article I posted - but pretty much
any of the external links in the wiki article show the building is owned by General Services Admin and that it's home to many different gov't offices

The architects website - http://www.morphopedia.com/projects/san-francisco-feder...

or on the GSA website (you'll have to scroll to it) 0 http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/channelView.do?pageTyp...
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:44 PM
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25. Thanks.
Even if the GSA owns it(in other words US),the taxpayers are still footing the bill for the rent AND property taxes for the whole building? DAMN !!!
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:13 AM
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37. I'm confused - would you rather these payments go to a private-for profit
enterprise?

GSA built the building with tax dollars, bought the land the same way. Then it 'leases' space out to the various government agencies (and may offer space to non-gov't if no government agencies need the space). So when the Congressperson's budget pays rent, it's paying it back to the taxpayers. Since there's no mortgage, that rent eventually pays back more than the building originally costs

I guess they could simply give office space to everyone, but there would be a lot more room for abuse and perk giving that way I think

And no, Federal buildings (and most State buildings) don't pay property taxes to their local jurisdictions.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:00 PM
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19. Yes we are known for our circular firing squads on the left
Pelosi has been doing a great job the last year and half and the more she gets passed and the senate sits on, the more we want to throw her away. I am ashamed of how none reality based many so called progressives and liberals have become and in the process are now doing the bidding of the right wing.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:25 PM
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30. Yup. She probably makes up for it in lower energy and utility costs.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 02:25 PM by w4rma
Also, the Speaker of the House position requires quite a bit more manpower than any regular representative.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 12:59 PM
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18. It's good to be queen..........
:eyes:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:26 PM
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31. Weren't you supporting Hillary in the primary? (nt)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:57 PM
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33. Is this post about Hillary's office space?
I thought that it was about Pelosi......

;)
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 05:11 PM
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36. Remember the bruhaha about President Clinton's office space? We could go there. (nt)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:02 PM
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20. This is a matter of accounting. One federal agency is paying another.
The rent of $4,300 per month would be very low for San Francisco office space I should think.

Security is a big part of the cost. The cost probably includes everything, guard service, plumbing, water, electricity, repairs, heat, air conditioning, probably everything. The Bay area is prohibitively expensive even compared to Los Angeles.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 01:33 PM
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24. In 2006, Pelosi parlayed her congressional seat....
...into a seat at the Rich Man's Table.
She has never looked back.
.
.
.
Sad.
I used to be one of her strongest supporters when she was an unqualified Liberal Spokeswoman.

Paulson with Co-Conspirators


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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 02:41 PM
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32. "$10,600 a month for his Manhattan office" That is cheap for Manhattan
for an office.


That is life in a big crowded city .
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 04:06 PM
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34. Can't see how this helps
I can see how it hurts.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 04:22 PM
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35. I think that the dems should be leading the way in frugality...
she has many constituents without jobs or insurance, probably many without homes right now. While I like her and appreciate all of her hard work, we are in a lean period and need everyone to put their best financial foot forward. I would much rather that money be spent on a service for her constituents which has been cut back, for example.

There's no reason why we can't lead by example.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 12:10 PM
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38. Sure, why not? It's in line with what our troops get for housing allowances,
isn't it? No? Never mind. After all, "NOTHING is too good for our troops", and nothing is precisely what the speaker is going to make sure they get.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:30 AM
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44. Kinda says it all. n/t
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:13 PM
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39. it's SF and she has a high level position
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:32 PM
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40. How is that compared to other office space in the heart of San Francisco?
Probably on the low side.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:57 PM
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41. This is for rent in a FEDERAL building? Why the outrage toward Nancy? Seems to me...
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 08:57 PM by Hekate
... that the real fault lies with the landlord.

Hekate

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:00 PM
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42. that's the new federal courthouse in SF
ugly building
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:12 PM
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43. OK. That's more than 10 times my mortgage. Of course she deserves it!
She represents the little people.
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