Clinton: Rich aren't paying fair share

[kpete]

Source: CNN

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Posted: May 28th, 2010 09:16 AM ET


(CNN) – Hillary Clinton struck a strong populist chord while wading into territory secretary of states rarely go Thursday: Domestic policy.

During a conference at the Brookings Institution on national security, the nation's top diplomat bluntly aired her own views on the nation's tax policies, saying she feels "the rich are not paying their fair share."

"The rich are not paying their fair share in any nation that is facing the kind of employment issues (like the U.S.) – whether it's individual, corporate or whatever the taxation forms are," Clinton said after clearly stipulating that these were her opinions, no those of the Obama administration.

Clinton went on to cite Brazil, long known for its high taxes, as a model of a successful economic policy.

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[aquart]

1. Good girl.

[sasquuatch55]

30. Good, but cannot change the thought process of the ignorant!

nt

[Ellen Forradalom]

47. "Good girl"

:eyes:

[Orrex]

71. How about "smart dame" instead?

"Clever broad?"

[Lorien]

77. How about "smart person".

[Orrex]

81. Well, yeah. That was kind of my point.

She's a crafty chick, all right.

[Lorien]

79. Next thing you know he'll throw her a biscuit and scratch her behind the ears

can you imagine the howls of outrage if someone here wrote "Good Boy" in response to something Obama had said? Misogyny lives.

[Ellen Forradalom]

90. My thought exactly.

You'd have to scrape everyone off the ceiling if you used the loathsome and loaded term 'boy' in connection with the President. 'Girl' applied to women is every bit as loaded, yet so few recognize it.

[No Elephants]

118. And if you point it out for them, often, they're even more asshole-like about it.

I hope they don't have daughers. Or sons, for that matter.

[bitchkitty]

126. I'm a girl.

It doesn't bother me in the least. I use the term freely and call my girlfriends girls too. I even call my breasts the girls when I'm not calling them the twins.

Context is everything.

[obxhead]

110. and being politically correct is one of those things that is

destroying this country as well.

We get our undies in a bunch over a phase, which then turns into a distortion of the truth over so many things simply because we offended someone. Good god we are a pathetic people these days.

Thanks Hill, you rock. tell it like it is girl.

And everyone get the fuck off your PC high horse. Lets worry about substance rather than how it's said.

[Ellen Forradalom]

114. So objecting to sexism is just P.C. gone wild

Thanks for proving my point for me.

[obxhead]

115. My god, what a wishy washy thing to get bent out of shape over.

I certainly didn't take the comment as disrespectful and had the positions been opposite, a female saying good boy about Obama or somebody else I would feel the same.

Once again, get off the high horse and accept that Hillary spoke some common sense and we were happy to hear it.

[No Elephants]

119. Reversed? You're an African American male who doesn't mind being called "boy?" How unusual!

[No Elephants]

117. What a truly idiotic assertion.

Calling women "people" or "women" insetad of "girls" is not what's destroying this country. Duh.

[xchrom]

2. Awesome. Nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. Careful, Hillary.

Keep talking like that and they'll take away your DLC membership card.

[Divine Discontent]

33. And we'll celebrate with Hillary when they do! ha. We need to hear more of this, and action on it!

Congress needs to get some money in the coffers, and invoking a higher tax on millionaires is the right way. Who cares what they think, they only care about their money as a whole, yes there are super awesome millionaires and billionaires but they won't mind the extra 2% or so tax on their wealth!

[Hestia]

66. Ya dang skippy on that DD - we've heazd bellyaching for over a year now about the bailout

just wait until we see the IOU's piling up for funding of the 29th economy in the world. That's what every Democrat needs to run on - you want to see what libertarian, republican and dominionist policies look like - look at the Gulf. It's staring you in the face and the sea life has come home to roost. 30 years they had their chance to actually run a government and we are living with the failure. I guess we should have paid better attention and raised more hell.

[No Elephants]

121. A co-founder? Never.

[Kingofalldems]

4. K and R for the teabaggers and freepers

[davidwparker]

5. Run (again)

[PM Martin]

6. k/r

[valerief]

7. The truth, especially when it's painfully obvious, isn't something you hear often from pols. Brava.

[jtuck004]

8. She should say "not INVESTING their fair share". But she is not interested

in getting them to put people back to work. This is prep work and defense for raising taxes. Very popular right now, but not sustainable. (We should look to Brazil for economic policy? Where's my copy of The Shock Doctrine? uh-oh...)

"Rich" people need to be told to invest in people and this country and how to do it

1. Train people to become bio technicians and in finance, higher dollar occupations
2. Create some good manufacturing plants and teach people how to own them and compete
3. Fund some public infrastructure - billionaires are funding charter schools, how about some county bridges and rural internet?

There are a thousand ways, but taxes pay for unemployment and wars, also not sustainable, and we need to start thinking longer term.

Our elected representatives, instead of cutting social security, should learn to do the same thing.

[The Hope Mobile]

55. - 1 nt

[Hestia]

67. I'm not sure about your #1, but it needs to be stressed largely that gov't doesn't make a profit.

[jtuck004]

83. Exactly. I don't have a problem with taxing away some of the usurious

profits that have been made, or even all of it. But to bring it above the level of a bunch of peasants rattling their pitchforks one has to figure out what will be done with it.

When taxes vacuum the money out of our broken economy it immediately reduces the supply of money available for investing and spending, two things we need desperately. The government can return it, but if it just pays unemployment or money for housing without helping, somehow, to create real jobs or stimulate investment (private, as you mentioned) what are we going to do when it runs out? The bailouts and hedge fund profits only came at the end of a big boom and bust - we don't want that again. (I assume)

So we have to create 100,000 to 125,000 jobs a month just to keep up with the number of people newly entering the job market, but we have (at least) 27 million that are unemployed or underemployed, so we need more than that to drop unemployment. The average job creation per month from about 1980 to 2009 was 110K a month. During Clinton's time it was 197,000 a month (average) but that was with the dot com boom and Y2K ramp up. Since that time our manufacturing sector has been decimated, and the only reason it didn't cause us more pain was the money people were spending out of their home values inflated by the housing bubble, and we began to import huge amounts of cheap stuff. We just had a month with 290K jobs, but a chunk was temporary census and government. And it was during a time when home purchases were being subsidized and an employment stimulus was still being spent. Part of that is gone, and the rest is being used up. And our unemployment rate _increased_. By this time next year indications are that we will be seeing 11% unemployment.

So we need at least 200,000 jobs a month, but we have _never_ had that much sustained job growth in recent years, even under Clinton. Even if we institute the taxes that should be on corporations how will it create jobs that pay the taxes that will be needed to sustain the spending? Is the government going to pay to rebuild manufacturing ? I doubt it.

And yet it appears the current administration has given up on the idea. They are floating ideas that increase taxes and decrease the deficit: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=a_new_white_house_economic_strategy - (The real problem is that their advisors seem to be caught up in the same economic policies described in Shock Treatment. If so, we ain't even seen the start of the pain yet). Read that article then look through Obama's speeches (outside of the oil well disaster) from the past few weeks. He is telling people there will be cuts in spending, increases in taxes, and pain. And part of that is cutting social security by raising age limits, etc. I like Hillary, and I think she is supporting the President. That takes real honor.

But I think the administration has the wrong approach. A decrease in spending and an unwillingness to incur a real deficit are the ideas that drove us into the deepest depression we ever had.

[socialist_n_TN]

101. So why don't we have the government with some of

those new taxes on the rich, loan it AT NO INTEREST, to the workers at factories that have been shuttered and moved out of the country? Let the government set up worker owned companies IN DIRECT COMPETITION with the capitalist pigs that closed the company in the first place. ESPECIALLY if they were closed because they weren't making ENOUGH profit.

[jtuck004]

106. I think that would be a fine idea. I have watched over the

years as mgmt have seemingly convinced workers there is something special about their "class", and that's just bs. People need to be retrained in the idea that they can do just as good a job, and have real stake in the outcome. It's not a universal panacea, but it could be done more than it is.

Thank you

[zalinda]

86. I've known plenty of rich people in my younger days

None of them were interested in starting businesses, or even working for that matter. They had their money and they were going to have fun. You want to know who starts businesses? The people who work for crappy bosses, or those who can't find jobs. Yeah, no one wants to risk their money when they don't have to, unless they have business in their blood, like Trump, and even he knows enough to be careful not to risk his own money.

Rich people investing in jobs. LOL Next you'll tell me that poor people are poor because they want to be.

zalinda

[jtuck004]

87. Well, ok, you got me there .

So if we can't get them to do it, then we fund government R&D, online school, incubators - every tool the would be embittered, angry, unemployed person needs to kick their ass. Might be fun. ;) Along with a stipend that increases as they bring on others in their little employee-owned whatever.

Short of some techno-fix that brings about several tens of millions of jobs, we have been in trouble for 20+ years and most economic indicators say our standard of life is going to decrease dramatically. I don't mind that so much (hell,. I LOVE my woodstove that everyone else says is smelly and too much work), but it could really make life much, much harder. And there is no reason for it with all the smart people around.

But maybe that's how it's spozed to be.

[gratuitous]

9. +1

The system is designed for certain people to make a buttload of money, and they promptly pocket it or ship it overseas, chasing more lucrative investments. Meanwhile, the people whose labor creates the wealth that those certain people are pocketing, are getting screwed because we don't have any money to improve their part of the system (wages, roads, schools, etc.).

[indimuse]

10. knr! n/t

[jeaps]

11. If only

the rest of the Obama Administration shared her insites...

[Hestia]

68. If only Rahm shared her insights - he's personally responsible for trying to make Obama look inept

[No Elephants]

120. Obama is not responsible for his own acts and omissions?

[burnsei sensei]

12. It isn't populism,

it's a chord of traditional liberalism-- the liberalism that she, the DLC, Bill, Elana Kagan and Obama have all abandoned for the Third Way.
Not being known or seen never stopped the truth from being true.
The interests of the people are not the same as those of the elite.
The interests of the workers are distinct from management & owners.
The people and workers are the majority.
In a just society, their decisions and interests MUST PREVAIL.
Let the monied, mostly immoral minority step aside and pay their share in taxes.
And let them be disempowered at the same time.

[Laelth]

108. Hear, hear! n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[closeupready]

13. That's correct, they aren't. Not by a longshot.

n/t

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[SkyDaddy7]

14. YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!

[L0oniX]

15. No shit!

[craigmatic]

17. Clinton is telling the truth here. Most people assume the rich invest in the economy but in fact

they sit on their money and spend very little of it on investment and creating jobs. Raising taxes and spending is a better economic philosophy than borrowing money from countries that don't like us to spend on wars that we don't need.

[icee]

32. Yeah, that stuff about them investing in the economy was years

ago. Now, they just take and take.

[femrap]

43. True....

how many cars, homes, planes can they purchase? And then their stupid children inherit this money and don't know a damn thing about starting a business.

The rich folk's gene pool needs some chlorine.

[laughingliberal]

56. Correct. That was a lie Reagan used to sell his tax cuts for the wealthy

It was the exact false premise behind his 'trickle down' scam-that we would cut taxes on the wealthy and they would invest and create jobs and opportunity for all. It's never worked. The high tax rates on the wealthy before Reagan forced the wealthy to either invest or donate to get their tax bill down. That created jobs and opportunity and provided the funding for social safety nets, as well.

[Historic NY]

70. Trick-led down alright.....were still sopping up the mess. Where's the mop?

[JHB]

93. It also worked to limit corporate raiders, banksters, and other legalized big swindlers...

...because if they liquidated a company or laid off workers just for a fatter bonus, most of the gravy they were giving themselves would go to Uncle Sam.

The high marginal tax rates encouraged investing in the real economy to build asset value. Low rates encourage liquidating real assets to inflate paper value as much as possible, without regard to the real economy.

[JHB]

18. It's nice to hear someone at her level say it, but...

...it'll be when I keep hearing it that it will be encouraging.

[totodeinhere]

19. She also said that our national debt is not sustainable.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2714967820100527?type=marketsNews

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[OhioChick]

21. Damn straight, they're not! n/t

[Beacool]

22. I saw it on CSPAN

I didn't get the name or country of the man who asked her the question, but he stated that he had been Treasury Secretary in his own country. She clarified that she was giving her own personal opinion, not that of the administration's. I thought at the time, more's the pity that it's not the official position.

;-)

[OnlinePoker]

23. Easy for her to say without giving specifics about what a "fair share" is

The top 5% of tax returns (as of 2007) take in 37.4% of adjusted gross income but pay out 60.6% of income taxes. How much should they be paying?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

[renko]

38. While the bottom 95% pays almost all payroll, sales, property, and excise taxes.

Modern America was built on 70-90 taxation on the rich.

Bring back the pre-Reagan tax rates and most deficits and debt disappear.

[socialist_n_TN]

48. How about the same amount that they paid

Before Reagan? That was the END of the longest and strongest expansion in the country's history AND the largest expansion of the middle class in the country's history, from the end of WWII to Reagan's tax cuts. Fuck 'em. They'll STILL have MUCH more than the rest of the country.

[laughingliberal]

57. They have WAY more.

The income disparity has not been as this high since the Depression. Reagan started the tax cutting/deregulating frenzy, rolling back the New Deal policies and 30 years later, here we are. Coincidence? I think not.

[BootinUp]

53. Tax rates on them are the lowest in 60 years eom.

[unpossibles]

97. adjusted gross income

yet that same percentage of people owns similarly large share of wealth (close to 60%) because much of their wealth is not considered income, much less adjusted gross income. If you are trying to argue that the rich are being screwed, you'll have a hard time convincing me.

What bothers me most about apologists like you appear to be, is that it ignores the basic fact that the wealth the rich have would not be possible without the other 95% of the nation (or at least a large percentage of them) in that if someone owns a company they rely on many direct benefits of taxation (infrastructure) but also on a labor pool and a relatively stable consumer base. In other words, it would be damn impossible to create a financial empire if someone lived on an island by themselves.

Taxes pay for the society we all live in and which gives us what opportunities we have to work hard and succeed. The people who complain about taxation being theft are short sighted and ignorant, and those who try to pretend Reagan's voodoo economics make sense are just deluded.

[mwooldri]

103. When Warren Buffett is saying as a percentage of income...

... he pays less taxes than his secretary, then there is an issue with the tax laws in the country.

We could say he could voluntarily pay more but he's not stupid, he'll pay what he's told and then use the rest as he sees fit. If he is asked to pay more, he will... and probably won't grumble about it in public one bit unless it's a really steep hike.

Mark.

[Shining Jack]

24. K&R n/t

[SomeGuyInEagan]

25. Minnesota DFL Gubernatorial Candidate (and former US Senator) Mark Dayton agrees

At least at the state level. Nice to hear *anybody* saying this:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2009/12/fact_check_mark.shtml

[harun]

26. H. Clinton FTW. Label me surprised.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. Our taxes are lower than Europe. Actually just a bit higher than the US.

It's the rich here that are WAY more strident than would be warranted.

Top income tax bracket = 27.5%.

[mwooldri]

104. And Europe gets more bang for their tax revenue than we do.

In general that is.

The USA just makes more bang with its buck... (see DoD budget allocations).

[LiberalFighter]

28. They should pay more!! They use more of the government services that help their businesses.

And their failures especially when they avoid regulations or are not regulated effect the working people. Putting more of a burden on the working people because of mistakes or intentional mismanagement.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

29. Shhhh ... don't you know they they (actually we) made it on grit and determination alone!

Certainly the fact that I had the dumb luck to be born in this country, with a great public k-12 system, a great public higher education system, clean drinking water, good roads, rural electricification, strong military for defense, a system which encourages and enables commerce, police and fire protection, vaccinations for diseases which ravaged humanity for centuries prior to the 20th century, laws in place to protect workers and the environment, etc. ... nah, that had nothing to do with MY position in life.

Clearly it is because *I* am special and could have achieved what I have if I had been born anywhere at any time, as could my customers who also do not need any of that stuff.

:sarcasm: (probably not needed)

[Divine Discontent]

31. now that's decency and FACT.

[icee]

34. The rich are controlling everything. The rich make so much

money they can scam the rest of us. If they lose a little doing this to subsequently make a big payoff, what difference does it make?

[arbusto_baboso]

35. Well, no shit.

[SILVER__FOX52]

36. The odd thing is....

that the rich are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs
but they're are so arrogant that they can't see it.  Also,
they would have to admit that their god, Reagan was full of
shit.

[socialist_n_TN]

49. And THAT'S why capitalism

can't even save itself. They're either too arrogant or too stupid and short sighted to understand this basic fact.

[olegramps]

37. Sorry, but the working class screwed themselves when they deserted the unions.

Union membership went from 36% in the 1050s to 6% today. The working class bought the corporate propaganda that unions were just taking their money and they would take good care of them. The took care of the suckers real good; outsourced their jobs, cut their pensions and canceled their health insurance. As a result working class people don't have any influence in congress. There aren't a handful of Democratic representative that give a damn about the working classes welfare. They only pay attention to the union people when the are looking for handouts and votes. Until the working class organize they can kiss their ass goodbye and watch their families go down the tubes. We need income tax on the top to be at least 70% and inheritance taxes that confiscate the billions the bastards stole from the working class.

[renko]

39. Trillions they stole, not billions. n/t

[olegramps]

41. I stand corrected. Hundreds of trillions. Thanks

[w4rma]

51. The working class was manipulated into it by the very wealthy. Quit blaming the victims. (nt)

[olegramps]

123. They were manipulated?

Sorry but you don't know much about the situation. Increasingly younger employees that were hired by unionized work places refused to join the union and pay dues. These were the very people who supported Right to Work Laws that were designed to destroy the unions. Their only manipulation was their greed and stupidity that management would take good care of them. The willingly manipulated their own destruction. Cry me a river.

[Cass]

40. Tell it, Hillary!

K & R

[femrap]

42. Warren Buffett

agrees with Hilliary on this. In fact, there are a number of the wealthy who think it's rather shameful what they pay in taxes.

I'll have to read more about Brazil's taxation programs.

[Schema Thing]

72. Hell, Ben Frickin Stein agrees with her on this.

[femrap]

78. Ben even agrees?

Shit, maybe pigs will fly someday!

[Lorien]

80. Yep. They're smart enough to know that it's better for the Nation

when those who the Nation has benefited the most pay their fair share.

[femrap]

113. I believe they can see

that the working people are soon going to have nothing to lose...and that's when all hell breaks loose.

[PSzymeczek]

85. So does William Gates, Sr.

And Jr., too, I think.

[femrap]

112. I know that Sr.

made Jr. start giving $$$ to charities.

I read that Jr. gives quite a bit of money to the people of Nigeria for medical centers. Why do they need those? Well, the oil companies have open fire wells...oil drips onto everything and everyone. Everyone is ill. Open fire wells aren't allowed in this country, but it's OK in Nigeria.

Seems to me that Jr. should just pay the oil companies to stop the open fire wells. Oil boyz suck.

[DailyGrind51]

44. Hillary 2012!

[IDemo]

99. Seconded

:thumbsup:

[alfredo]

45. CNN has a poll on what Clinton said. So far it is over 70% in support of her.

[DonCoquixote]

46. Hillary, I sure wish you said this

back when you were running for President.

[w4rma]

50. She would have won. (nt)

[DailyGrind51]

52. I would have voted for her, also!

[ProSense]

60. It's why I voted for Barack Obama

He said this often during his campaign.

[DailyGrind51]

92. Then he took office and "got schooled". Hillary has the clout to actually repeal the Bush tax cuts.

[ProSense]

94. Here

Video: Politico:

<...>

Clinton said the comment was her personal opinion. "I'm not speaking for the administration, so I'll preface that with a very clear caveat," she said.

Clinton went on to cite Brazil as a model.

"Brazil has the highest tax-to-GDP rate in the Western Hemisphere and guess what — they're growing like crazy," Clinton said. "And the rich are getting richer, but they're pulling people out of poverty."

Both Clinton and Obama campaigned for the presidency on promises to allow the Bush tax cuts for wealthy Americans to expire this year, a plan that is now part of Obama's budget. The move will effectively raise taxes sharply on people earning more than $250,000.

The administration's new formal strategy document makes the case that domestic economic strength is crucial to influence abroad.

"Hillary has the clout to actually repeal the Bush tax cuts."

Hillary is the SOS. She's doing a great job supporting her boss.

Hey, but continue to deal in fantasy.

[olegramps]

124. I think she has the "balls" to get it done.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

73. Yep ... just a bit too late to the game, Hillary.

If she had had this mindset 36 months ago, she'd be president now (and it would be nice to say at least *one* Clinton wasn't a Republican president).

Guess this means they really are aware that MOST of the country is left-center and are finally scared that it might work against the Dem leadership in November.

[Beacool]

125. She did, but the left didn't want to listen.

Their legs were "tingling" for Obama.

:shrug:

[Lagomorph]

116. She did.

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040629-0007-ca-clintons-sanfrancisco.html

[Auggie]

54. Damn right!

[Jefferson23]

58. Yes! Keep talking Secretary Clinton, excellent!!!!! n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

59. Sounds Like She's Primarying Obama in 2012

If she happens to win, she'll likely pull a Clinton and $%&# the Middle Class.

[ProSense]

61. Sounds like a fantasy. n/t

[Jim Sagle]

69. I don't read her that way. But then , I get suckered by Edwards, so what do I know?

[Captain Hilts]

96. We're ALL suckers. You just admit it! nt

[McCamy Taylor]

62. K&R for truth.

[abelenkpe]

63. Please vote in CNN's poll supporting Clinton nt

[Hestia]

64. Good on her

[LawnKorn]

65. K&R

[Canuckistanian]

74. Tax the rich - it's such a simple solution

Taxing ONE billionaire is the equivalent to providing food stamps to thousands.

And yet it's almost an unimaginable concept in America. It's a tribute to the stranglehold that the rich have over "common wisdom".

Tax them. They'll STILL be rich even AFTER they pay their fair share.

[earcandle]

75. Thank you Mrs. Clinton! Bring them back to balance.

[glinda]

76. Heard on MPR that India is following the same path as the US in rich/poor divide.

[ProSense]

82. Video

here: Politico:

<...>

Clinton said the comment was her personal opinion. "I'm not speaking for the administration, so I'll preface that with a very clear caveat," she said.

Clinton went on to cite Brazil as a model.

"Brazil has the highest tax-to-GDP rate in the Western Hemisphere and guess what — they're growing like crazy," Clinton said. "And the rich are getting richer, but they're pulling people out of poverty."

Both Clinton and Obama campaigned for the presidency on promises to allow the Bush tax cuts for wealthy Americans to expire this year, a plan that is now part of Obama's budget. The move will effectively raise taxes sharply on people earning more than $250,000.

The administration's new formal strategy document makes the case that domestic economic strength is crucial to influence abroad.

[New Dawn]

84. And DLC policies are responsible for that, Clinton. But this is an election year...

[Captain Hilts]

95. Bubba increased taxes on the wealthy, hence the over-paid press's hating on him and convincing

the general population that everybody's taxes went up, when they did not.

[donheld]

88. k & R

[Amonester]

89. The gap between the have's and the have-not's have never been so

wide, and it continues to widen at an accelerated pace every day that passes by.

So, what will the Dems ever DO about it? (Crickets?)

Also, legalize hemp, tax it and use all its industrial benefits.

[GreenTea]

91. They certainly profit on corporate imperialism, our military, deregulation, yet refuse to pay their

fair share...and demand they should not have to help workers (peasants) safety, our environment and the society that made them rich, they choose to ignore and make bullshit excuses, fucking republicans....The rich need to be forced, of course they'll NEVER do it on their own nor feel a need or have a conscious that's long gone if it was ever even there ...The rich and their corporations are so powerful & offer money to the weak corrupted selfish greedy elected - In so much as very few of the elected would even dare propose....Simply because the fucking slimy republicans would scream - and the spineless recoil cuz they have theirs.

[clarence swinney]

98. MOTHER TERESA HILLARY

LIFE SPENT HELPING LESS FORTUNATE
Reader comment on:
Clinton's Family Values
Submitted by clarence swinney, Apr 30, 2007 11:26


MY reply to Kathleen Parker on Hillary and Religion--

Hillary was a Lay Minister in her Methodist Church.

Hillary has always been a regular attendee at church. Unlike you know who.

Hillary loves her Bible.

Hillary has always prayed to God for Guidance. With her family.

In private as directed by Jesus not on street corners as the hypocrites.

Hillary cares for the less fortunate as Jesus.

Hillary loves Peace On Earth not Wars

Hillary is against killing via executions.

I disagree with her on Gay marriage and permissive abortions..

Her husband had it correct and shut out opponents with his--

Safe-Legal-Rare--Rape-Incest-mom's life

Opponents are "mommies killers" let mom die to save itsy bitsy sperm and egg.

They will eventually want to outlaw Masturbation--Menstrual Period--Wet Dreams.

They destroy eggs and sperm which prevents life.

Hillary loves her family. She suffered to keep her marriage intact.

She stuck by Bill's adultery due to her strong love for him as a total person not just one bad virtue amongst many good ones.

She knew her husband was 99% pure .

Hillary earned $23,000 one year as First Lady of Arkansas when her fellow lawyers made hundreds of thousands.

She spent a year and visited every school district working to improve schools.

Hillary is no Smearer.

Hillary does not Lie(intent to deceive)

Hillary respects others even when they disagree.

Hillary invited to the White House one of most evil smearers. Richard Melon Scaife.

Hillary has a brilliant mind. Not alcohol scorched one.

Hillary will hire experts in each area to manage our government. Bill did same.

One of major reason for Clinton's success was the experts he hired in the government.

The Moogumboo and Frog Manure will be unreal for the next

31 months.

The American Conservative has an article with her pic on front as a witch.

Republicans are desperate to retain power. Many will go to jail with a Democratic Congress or Justice Department.

clarence swinney-political historian-lifeaholics of america-retired [email protected]

[clarence swinney]

100. RICH DO NOT PAY FAIR SHARE

CTJ.org Study of 2008 Tax Returns
Top 20% paid 30% of Total Income in Federal-State-Local Taxes.
Middle 20% paid close to same percentage

1% Top Heavy since 1980
In 1980 owned 20% Total Financial Wealth
In 1989--36%--80% Increase thanks Ronnie 60% Income tax Cut
In 2008--43%

great sources
Joseph Stiglitz-Free Fall
Edward A Wolff--Top Heavy
David K Johnston-Free Lunch
Kevin Phillips-Boiling point

csw old ugly mean honest

[mvd]

105. Thanks! Good statistics there

The rich weren't complaining in the 60s when taxes were higher and they still were well off. Reagan absolutely dismantled the middle class, and Edwards was right about this - there are "Two Americas."

[Blandocyte]

102. They can pay more and still be wealthy

And for those who inherited their wealth-- what is a "fair share?" The meaning of "fair" can be a real bad bitch in that case.

[Odin2005]

107. Talk is cheap, Mrs. DLC.

[Dover]

109. Haven't heard much lately about the seizure of those offshore accounts

and those who were required to either turn themselves in or face the consequences. Lots and lots of money has been untaxed in this country
and if we had a list of those who have been circumventing their taxes
it would be easy to see the class lines. The poorest and working class U.S. citizens are paying while the wealthy (and their banks) only take.

[OJones]

111. This week,

in a special 1910 edition of Too Much Weekly...

Consider this: A century ago, average Americans faced a political deck even more stacked than we do. They persevered anyway. And they won. They beat back a plutocracy that had made America safe for the most stunning concentrations of private wealth the world had ever seen.

That victory, to be sure, took many years. And that victory, over the past three decades, has been totally undone. But we can still take inspiration from what our forbears achieved. We can also learn from their achievement. About patience. About the importance of plugging away, even when plugging may seem pointless...

TMW

[marshall]

122. You can look at their gifts to charities

Some like Bill and Melinda Gates give most of their fortunes to good causes that benefit everyone. Others hoard it for themselves and use loopholes to pay as little as possible.

[Vidar]

127. Brava, Hillary!

[paulk]

128. I wonder if this is a trial balloon

for the Obama administration.

[Name removed]

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