(Sandra Day) O'Connor: Arizona must show it's not biased

[Ed Barrow]

Source: Associated Press

Former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor says Arizona must figure out how to show it appreciates, respects and admires the Hispanics who live there after passing a tough new immigration law.

The law will make entering the country illegally a state crime in Arizona and requires local police to enforce it. It has sparked demonstrations across the country, predominantly from Hispanics, who feel they will be targeted by racial profiling.

O'Connor tells ABC's "Good Morning America" that Hispanics have lived in Arizona since long before it was a state, and Arizona must now show it is not "as a whole, a biased state."

The former Arizona state senator and judge declined to say whether the law is constitutional, but says she is sure "sections of it will be challenged."



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[FiveGoodMen]

1. Sandra, you could have done the world so much good ten years ago...

[Winterblues]

2. Instead she screwed the pooch..And the entire world has trembled.

I Hate that woman...

[UpInArms]

14. x2

grrrr

[fascisthunter]

12. Bush and her unconstitutional act will be her legacy

[D-Lee]

19. Yes, but ... she did some good too

Read her bio. Yes, there was a LOT of discrimination against women lawyers and she kept going despite it.

She was generally against that corporatist zest for issuing overly broad decisions, which likely was a product of have been a trial judge and wanting to decide the case in front of the court instead of promulgating a legal philosophy.

She really appreciated native American culture.

And, yes, that Bush v Gore was really awful.

[izquierdista]

3. She must have a terminal disease

All this soul-searching that should have taken place 30 years ago.....

[Cha]

4. I appreciate what she said.

[Botany]

5. thanx for bush v Gore, Sandy

thanx for the Gulf oil spill
thanx for 9-11
thanx for the iraq war
thanx for the Afghani war
thanx for torture
thanx for spying
thanx for Ohio 2004
thanx for the outing of V. Plame
thanx for a massive kill of wild run salmon
thanx for massive debt
thanx for the economy in the ditch under bush
thanx for the failed response for Katrina
thanx for the money for the Levies around New Orleans not getting there so the money could go to the iraq war

you have done enough go the f*** away

[Vinnie From Indy]

7. +1000

[peace frog]

10. Yep.

Can you hear us now, Sandra? STFU.

[Iowa]

20. +1

[pundaint]

6. Sandra has earned the right to sit down and shut up.

[thereismore]

8. So the law is OK until we find out that AZ is biased? Way to go... nt

[Downwinder]

9. That is easy to do. Just enforce the law as written. Require

that EVERYONE carry proof of citizenship or immigration status. Force everyone in or transiting Arizona to carry a passport.

[harkadog]

11. Except that is not what the law says

A drivers license or state i.d. are some of the many ways that are allowed by the law. What does a passport have to do with anything? Have you rread the law? No.

[Downwinder]

17. Does every state drivers license require citizenship or does

everyone have a drivers license? How do you authenticate a birth certificate? Is there a national database of footprints?

[riderinthestorm]

18. Yup, forging documents is easy. And trying to assess what's real and whose are not, is impossible.

I've hired an illegal. He spoke perfect English but had a Hispanic name so I made copies of his SS card and drivers license. It took the IRS 10 years to discover that he was using a perfectly legitimate SS # that was assigned to someone else (and yes, I did check the IRS database on SS #'s before hiring).

How does a state trooper ascertain some teen's birth certificate is "real"? Nobody's gonna know.

For sure someone is going to be detained illegally. For sure some child is going to be molested in state custody because of this.

This law is bogus. When NAFTA was implemented and "free trade zones" were developed, we should have implemented immigration reform. Instead we have exploitation of the poorest areas without the poor having any recourse to the wealthy areas. It's bullshit.

[harkadog]

22. What is your idea of immigration reform

Interesting you don't mention that. Why are you posting about birth certificates? The law does not require that. Some child is going to be "molested in state custody because of this"? Then I guess the state should never take any child into custody for any reason because there is always going to be a possibility they will be molested.

[riderinthestorm]

31. I did mention my solution. Open the borders. NAFTA should have had a provision

that created avenues for this. Maybe not right away but the plan should have included open transit like the EU.

If we are going to have a free economic zone, then all citizens of that zone should have access to all areas, rich and poor.

I'm posting about birth certificates because most CHILDREN don't have any other form of ID. They don't drive (and many urban residents don't either) so they don't have a drivers license. Children being taken into custody because their parents may not have the appropriate form of ID are going to be victimized. I'm sorry but I absolutely do not believe it's just, or fair that even one single child more needs to be traumatized by being held in state custody.

[harkadog]

39. I don't believe in open borders or free economic zones

Open borders is a tenet of the libertarians not of the Democrats. Should juvenile criminals be taken into state custody since there is a possiblity of molestation?

[pampango]

42. Open borders and free economic zones are a tenet of European progressives if not all American ones.

I've heard libertarians react hysterically to the idea of a mythical North American Union would would open borders with Canada and Mexico. I don't think open borders is a tenet of most libertarians as they see if as an affront to national sovereignty.

[riderinthestorm]

83. Open borders and free economic zones are not necessarily libertarian

The US and Canada needed to implement a long term policy to address immigration and the inevitable inequities caused by NAFTA. The maquiladora workers are making significantly less (for example but we could easily use farmers or fishermen etc.), and that's because they are held hostage in their country - unable to legally migrate to the more prosperous nations.

And your strawman comparison about juvenile CRIMINALS vs. legal US juveniles who are seized and put into foster care because their parents are illegal is ridiculous. You honestly think legal innocent US citizen/juveniles should be subjected to the vicissitudes of the juvie system is a just by product of this law, and that nobody should object to this?

That's sick.

This is just one aspect of this law that's wrong. There are many others. I've only engaged (tried to engage) you on this one facet. You clearly are invested in this draconian destructive piece of legislation. It's wrong on so many levels but if you can't even envision the injustice to children, then you are truly unable to see clearly.

[harkadog]

21. Who said anything about a birth certificate?

I said state issued i.d. not just drivers license. Virtually everyone has one or the other. If you randomly stopped people on the street you would find 99% have one or the other. If you are reduced to making up unreal scenarios to try and make your argument go ahead.

[Downwinder]

24. Stop them in golf carts in Sun City and see if you make 99%

If you had read your law, you would note that only licenses and ID issued by sates that require citizenship for issuance qualify.

[harkadog]

25. I believe that is 48 states.

What is the problem? Are you suggesting people in Sun City have no government i.d.? How ridiculous.

[Downwinder]

26. No, I am saying that if they ask EVERYBODY for papers there can be no question of profiling.

Of course that will not be good for a tourist based economy. And since I am one of your !%, I will not be attending the Central High reunion.

[harkadog]

41. I have a feeling you won't be missed.

[Downwinder]

52. I am glad the economy is doing so well there that my $3,000.00 won't be missed.

[harkadog]

53. The economy is doing well, thanks for your concern.

[Downwinder]

58. I think you will find that there will be at least 300 others who will not be there.

[harkadog]

76. Arizona is a fine state and a good economy

If people want to stay in the frozen tundra fine. Everyone will do just fine. People are really full of themselves if they think they will substantially affect people's lifestyles and well being.

[pinboy3niner]

87. Actually, 44 states besides Arizona verify "lawful presence," not citizenship

BUT the five exceptions are HI, IL, WA, NM, and UT--and NM and UT are bordering states, so the fact that a NM or UT driver's license doesn't meet the legal proof requirements of the law is likely to present problems. Drivers from those states may, indeed, have to carry a birth certificate or passport in Arizona.

[pampango]

38. No, there are 5 including next-door New Mexico that allow illegal immigrants to get a drivers

license as a public safety measure.

[harkadog]

44. Your figures may be old but regardless states that have issued licenses

are reversing that. There used to be as many as 15 states that issued illegals drivers licenses but most have reversed that policy and there are movements in the rest to abandon it. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-01-29-illegal-immigrants-licenses_N.htm (two 1/2 years old but just one of many that are available).

[pinboy3niner]

90. Actually, pampango's figures are not "old." They are up-to-date.

The assertion that his figures are "old" is a cheap shot, made with absolutely no evidence to support it. His statement can be supported--can yours? With evidence that is current, not 2 1/2 years out of date?

[ProudDad]

47. Only in fascist police states like Arizona...

Most other states do not require authentication of citizenship to get a driver's license...

Nor to vote...

Arizona is the new Mississippi -- the heart of oppression and fascist rule...

[harkadog]

54. You don't know what you are talking about.

Almost all states require proof of legal status for a driver's license or to vote. Since you say most don't which ones are they or are you just pulling it out of your ass? BTW do you think illegals should have the right to vote?

[ProudDad]

60. Yes....

Undocumented immigrants are human beings and should have a voice in their local communities so, yes, I'd allow every adult to vote in local elections...

but only once per election...

[ProudDad]

62. And YOU don't know WTF you're talking about...

I didn't have to PROVE CITIZENSHIP to get a California driver's license nor to vote in California...

[harkadog]

74. BS

[pinboy3niner]

88. Five states do not verify legal status: HI, IL, WA, NM, and UT

Their driver's licenses don't prove lawful presence under Arizona's law--and two of them BORDER Arizona.

[pinboy3niner]

86. Database of baby footprints, LOL! (Maybe The Onion would have that) nt

[SargeUNN]

81. I take it you live in Arizona?

If not then you need to become familiar with how things work here in Arizona BEFORE this stupid law and then you might have a little more credibility with that statement.

[Doctor_J]

16. I have to carry my passport to visit AZ?

whoa, I guess they really ARE setting up a prison camp.

[harkadog]

23. This is a silly comment made by people who have not read the law

or enjoy making things up on the internet to try and make points. There is no requirements of a passport by anyone in the law.

[Downwinder]

28. What other document is a domestic and international proof of citizenship?

[Bluebear]

30. :crickets:

[harkadog]

35. We don't all live in our mother's basement posting on the computer 24/7

Get out in the world sometime and you won't be posting such lame comments.

[Bluebear]

61. Piss off /ignore

[harkadog]

34. Drivers license or state i.d.

Which everyone who is legal in AZ has one or the other.

[Downwinder]

37. How many under age 18 have them?

[harkadog]

40. Under the law police contact must be made as the result of the person breaking another law.

People in that age range have some sort of state i.d. or drivers license nearly 100% if they are legal. Otherwise their parents would be able to establish it. Since they have broken another law their parents would be involved anyway. Got anymore unrealistic scenarios to throw in there?

[Downwinder]

43. The act does not say that someone has to have broken a law

to be queried for their documents. Currently MCSO requires documents for passengers in a vehicle even if they have broken no law.

[harkadog]

46. "Any lawful contact"

Which means broken or suspected of breaking a law. If those categories don't exist you can legally leave.

[Downwinder]

48. Stopping someone walking down the sidewalk and asking for an ID?

[ProudDad]

51. BINGO!!! (n/t)

[harkadog]

57. Shows how little you know about the law

[ProudDad]

64. And you're demonstrating your utter ignorance of how the world actually works!

And why the hell are you so hot about this (fascist, unconstitutional, voter suppression) law...

Written by a neo-nazi fuck...

Some Mexican person piss you off somehow, hmmmm?

It can't be because some undocumented person grabbed your sheet-rocking job, could it?

They sure aren't burning up your tax dollars -- that's a fucking right-wing myths...

http://immigration.change.org/blog/view/fact_check_undocumented_immigrants_dont_take_jobs_from_american_workers

So what ox are you goring???

[harkadog]

55. Of course that is not legal and you know it or should know it.

What other b.s. are you going to throw in there?

[Downwinder]

63. What world do you live in? Have you ever been a pedestrian?

If you have you would know that any pedestrian is suspicious to an Officer in a cruiser.

[ProudDad]

66. Pedestrians are against the law in Phoenix (n/t)

[ProudDad]

50. Translation

"Any lawful contact" in English translates to "You look very brown to me." in Arizona-speak...

Anyway, undocumented immigrants CONTRIBUTE more to the economy than they take out of it...

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-immigration-cost-jobs/

So this fascist attempt at voter suppression is based on bullshit...

[harkadog]

56. That is your racist translation.

[pinboy3niner]

84. The "lawful contact" provision was dropped

The amendments bill (House Bill 2162) replaced it with the "stop, detention or arrest" requirement. It also extended the law to apply BEYOND stop, detention or arrest to include enforcement of any town, city or county law or ordinance. So if the police come to your door because your neighbor complained about barking dogs, loud music, overgrown yard, etc., the law can be applied to you--even when there is no lawbreaking involved.

[pinboy3niner]

85. Dupe

[ProudDad]

49. You asked for it, "Racial profiling"

it's a time-honored tradition all over USAmerica...

And alive and well here in fascist Arizona...

You're the one who's seriously deluded about the way things happen in the real world if you think that the letter of the law is what police follow...

You're the one who's being unrealistic if you think that this law won't be abused...

And, obviously, you haven't read the ENTIRE law (just the Voice of America summary, eh?)...

It also allows ANYONE to sue the Police Dept. and City if THEY think that the cops aren't sufficiently enforcing the law...

Amazing the kind of jingoist, fascist, right-wing shit one finds on DU....!!!

[harkadog]

59. All you can do in your posts is name call

You have no ability to bring up intellectual arguments. If you have nothing but shit I guess that is what you have to throw.

[ProudDad]

65. And you have nothing but utter ignorance of how the world REALLY works...

But then again, maybe you do...

Did you vote for sheriff joe too???

You definitely sound like one of his constituents...

[harkadog]

67. Maybe if the Democrats didn't nominate people with bizarre sexual histories

we could get rid of Arpaio. A person who raped his adoptive mother? Is that the best we can get to go against Arpaio?

[Downwinder]

68. Looks like any way you go, you are dragging the bottom of the barrel.

The days of Carl Hayden and Stu and Mo Udall are long gone. Must be the result of all of those immigrants, from the east.

[harkadog]

69. You don't even know who Arpaio's opponent was, do you?

[Downwinder]

71. Matter of fact, I do. Do you know who Carl Hayden was?

[harkadog]

72. He was a congressman and Senator

I was talking about present day -- Dan Saban.

[Downwinder]

73. And Dan was a Police Chief in Buckeye. One of his former Officers

who is here now speaks very highly of him.

[harkadog]

75. Well his mother didn't

[Downwinder]

77. I can well understand your attitudes if you get your interpretations

from Hendershott.

[harkadog]

78. I don't know who he or she is but I know what was said about Saban.

I also know that a jury found against Saban when he sued Arpaio. I also know there were other more recent allegations by women against Saban. So that is the candidate you want to defeat Arpaio? He couldn't have asked for a better person to run against him.

[Downwinder]

80. You take good care. Remember they tend to be cannibalistic.

I could wish nothing better for Arizonans than for the individual to assume the burden of proof and pay for his own prosecution. It is so, how shall I say it, so -- Mexican.

[Joe Bacon]

13. You're morally bankrupt, Sandra!

You illegally installed the most incompetent asshole we've ever had as President. NOTHING you can ever do will atone for that act of treason you willingly committed!

[jody]

15. Even better, SCOTUS must show it's not biased. n/t

[The Second Stone]

27. Arizona is a biased state

Why try to show something that is not true? How about changing instead.

[classysassy]

91. Arizona

is a very nice place to live,but the state is suffering because of all the carpet baggers in government,state and national,Kyl and McCain were born out of state,the nitwit that is opposing McCain is a good old boy from north carolina,sheriff joe is from new england,governor jan is from hollywood,state senator pearce is fro utah,all of them came here with their racist mind sets.Vote all of them out of office arizona will be better off without the scumbags.

[Bluebear]

29. Bush v Gore is her legacy and I couldn't care less about any of her thoughts

[UTUSN]

32. Did she know all those Hispanic things when she did her voter harassment like REHNQUIST?!1

Besides her Coup 2000 activities. She's got a lot to make up for.

[Javaman]

33. Meh, sandra says what?

she can go fuck off.

[Demeter]

36. I didn't Know Sandra Went Into Stand-Up Comedy!

Excellent! She's finally found her forte!

[ProudDad]

45. Fat Chance!

Just about every white bigot who could scrape together a few dollars to pump up the (now ended) real estate bubble moved to Arizona and voted in these right-wing fascists...

Good f*cking luck...

Arizona is, in general, a state CHOCK FULL OF BIGOTS -- mainly in the phoenix area and rural environs. It's also a military-industrial rump state...

Yeah, Sandy, you white fucks stole the place "fair and square"...

The fucking war machine owns this place even more than corporate USAmerika...

And this from the woman who gave us bush!

[icee]

70. As you were, Sandra. You are not trustworthy.

[City Lights]

79. Yo, Sandra! If I want your opinion I'll ask for it.

Until then, kindly STFU!

[Zavulon]

82. Shut the fuck up, Sandy.

After the shit you pulled, it's too late to act like a human being now. Fuck you.

[HughBeaumont]

89. Oh look . . . Mrs "5-4" has something to say.

I'm quite positive that Mrs. "5-4"'s feedback on issues pertaining to our states are of the utmost value and intelligence, and not at ALLLLLLL political. Just like a certain decision Mrs. "FIVE-FOUR" made back in 2000 on a certain state-run election, installing a certain governor's immensely unqualified failure brother as The Leader of the "Most Powerful Nation on Earth".

So I'm sure we're all just WAITING with baited breath for the input of Mrs. "5-4".

Floor's all yours . . . Mrs. "5-4".

[Bluebear]

92. ++++++++++++++

[Skittles]

93. Sandra honey, you lost your credibility when you installed bush into the White House

now kindly fuck off