Rand Paul: Obama BP criticism 'un-American'

[sinkingfeeling]

Source: MSNBC.com

WASHINGTON - Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul said Friday that President Barack Obama's criticism of BP in the wake of the Gulf oil debacle sounds "really un-American."

Paul, already facing a backlash over remarks earlier this week about civil rights legislation, criticized the Obama administration for declaring it will put its "boot heel on the throat of BP." White House spokesman Robert Gibbs used similar language shortly after the spill.

In an interview Friday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Paul says the president's response is part of the "blame game" that's played in the United States.

Paul said that leads to the thinking that tragic incidents are "always someone's fault" and added, sometimes accidents just happen.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37273085/ns/politics-decision_2010/

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Just keep on talking Rand!!

[msongs]

1. "accidents" NEVER "just happen" - there is ALWAYS a cause nt

[soupkitchen]

18. And nobody will ever be blamed for mine accidents in Kentucky

Which is what he is more or less saying.

After all, it's unAmerican to blame corporations for anything.

[maxsolomon]

53. Massey was in WV

but i feel ya

[JeaneRaye]

68. Massey in Kentucky also

Actually, Massey does damage everywhere it goes. Back in 2000, a Massey Energy coal slurry pond collapsed in Martin County, KY, spilling over 306 million gallons of coal sludge into 2 tributaries of the Tug River, killing off 75 miles of waterways. It was 30 times worse than the Exxon Valdez spill.

[barbtries]

76. welcome to DU

i didn't know that.

[Mark D.]

94. Coal

Coal companies sell power to the grid. That grid/matrix, though government run, is GE. The largest power company in the world, largest weapons manufacturer in the world, with the US as top customer for decades now. You think BP has power to influence politicians and media? GE eclipses them. That has kept coal use unabated. It's 2nd largest waste stream in America...behind sewage, coal sludge. It's also unregulated. Liners, and careful monitoring would prevent spills, but that costs money & their goal is to make money, not spend it protecting the unfortunate land, and the serfs, that also live there. The TN coal ash spill was also many times the size of the Valdez, and there are places so toxic there they are still uninhabitable. The stuff is being 'cleaned up', by being dumped into landfills in poorer sections of TN. They always pay the price for it. You won't find that dump out in the 'good' (affluent and white) areas. Coal sludge is the 2nd most radioactive material you can find out there behind depleted uranium. Yes, radioactive. Just wait 20 years, you'll hear it.

Reports of spikes in cancer and other illness rates in the poor areas they carted that shit off to bury in probably poorly designed land fills. Coal is the largest source of arsenic and mercury in the environment. Ironic the best thing you can consume for your brain power, DHA, is best found in fish. Fish are also the most mercury-laden food out there. If there is some 'NWO' trying to poison us, for profits, they are a leading part of it. The same way fluoride is industrial waste and what, waste it? They SELL that waste to localities paid for by OUR tax dollars, to poison us, as it will ravage the thyroid and pineal glands. Monsanto's Aspartame, the most toxic food ingredient of all, seen as 'healthy', for its replacement of sugar in that diet soda garbage people are wolfing down. Cancer that and pesticides & other chemical company products give us is treated with chemo, that having cancer as a very common side effect (I am not kidding). The same big chemical companies that make the chemicals that give us cancer, often involved with those chemicals used for chemo.

[subsuelo]

people just don't know about this stuff

what amazes me is... we have the very best communications technology the world has ever seen, and not just for an elite class - brought to millions of people. And we're still just as ignorant. I fear for the continued freedom of the internet. I suspect serious challenges ahead for keeping the internet a place where you are free to voice opinion.

[kiers]

161. GE uses SNL as a mild bully pulpit

as well! when the health care bill wasn't going GE medical's way...they started dissin Reid Pelosi Obama.

[Altoid_Cyclist]

102. Welcome to DU!

I just saw an article on the spill that you mentioned a few days ago.

I had never heard about it until then. And they've just bought a bankrupt mine here in Pennsylvania. Now they can bring their "accidents" and environmental destruction to this state also.

Well, at least people are starting to get a taste of the true insanity that is the tea baggers.

[tango-tee]

171. Welcome to DU, JeaneRaye!

:thumbsup:

[mrfocus]

21. I think the press should give Rand air time and ink EVERY day

...between now and election day. At his "blooper a day" rate he'll be in the single digits by November

[perdita9]

55. Rand Paul is the best candidate ever!

For the Democrats, that is. What a moron! How did this guy ever get a license to practice medicine.

[daleo]

58. Maybe he's like Dr. Nick on the Simpsons

"Hello, everybody."

[blondeatlast]

81. This Arizonan MUST have that t-shirt. Got a link? Thanks. nt

[Eric Condon]

165. Yeah, except no he won't

Remember where we're talking about here. I'm from Louisville/Southern Indiana, and I still have family down in the eastern part of the state. The sad thing is, outside of Louisville, Kentucky eats this shit up. Get outside the city limits and the state is like 1950s Alabama.

[vanbean]

34. Always, always. always. Zero accidents is the goal.

[tclambert]

99. "I ran out of gas. I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare.

My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!"

-BP, or maybe Jake Elwood . . . one of those.

[Ex Lurker]

167. where is this boot heel he speaks of?

I would like to see it.

[Jkid]

2. Replace the initals 'BP' with any corporation.

Rand Paul implies that any criticism of American corporations is un-American.

[leftynyc]

35. But they're British

His defense of them when oil is starting to show up in LA and AL and could be on its way to GA and FL and even the Carolinas in mind boggling. Is he suggesting nobody clean it up?

[RoccoR5955]

62. FYI -- BP = ***BRITISH*** Petroleum

They are NOT American!

[Mz Pip]

143. What part of "British"

does Ron Paul not get?

[RoccoR5955]

150. It's a corporation that he wants to have sex with,

because he loves them more than he loves his country.
Some freakin' patriot, huh?

[Beartracks]

152. He must be a sucker for the accent. n/t

[kiers]

159. maybe he REALLY is sucking?

u know whaddimean!!!

Y don't he use his powerful mouth to suck the oil dry?}(

[Dappleganger]

3. It's not like a hurricane unplugged an oil volcano in the ocean.

What a dumbass.

[pundaint]

169. And even if it had, that should have been protected against, too. Next time Martha Coakley

gets dissed for abusing Red Sox Nation, point out that there's a Rethug who's anti civil rights and pro oil spills. Anything we can do they can do crazy, they will do crazy whatever they do.

[dsn]

170. Change that to just "pro-oil spills"

If you dug waaaaay down deep, just about every Repuke is in some way anti-civil rights. Most of them are anti-women's rights, which are civil rights in and of themselves but most people separate women's rights from the broader field of civil rights.

But anyway...I swear, Rand Paul is the gift that just keeps on giving, isn't he?

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Well, after all BP is a corporation, recognized as an American citizen by the Supreme Court.

Hence, Obama is criticizing THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!

That is, if you're using Rand Paul's idea of logic . . . .

[wtmusic]

8. BP is a British corporation

not that that matters to Paul. :silly:

[go west young man]

101. All corporations are now recognized as citizens after the supreme

courts new ruling. It doesn't matter where they are from.

[indy legend]

89. you can't use the words logic and Rand Paul in the same sentence

[Wickerman]

5. Dumbass question here I could look up

but isn't BP a, uh, British corporation?

[DBoon]

37. well, they speak English there

so it must be am American corporation

[Barack_America]

6. Most people stop digging when they find themselves in a hole...

Rand Paul throws away the shovel and goes for the backhoe.

[Mark D.]

97. Measured Words

This could be his undoing. His father thinks before he talks. He doesn't spout his nonsense so easily. Further, his father has problems with the presidents corporatism. He at least sees corporatism as a problem. His son, Rand, clearly does not. I debate pro-unregulated capitalists like this, all day long. They call me a socialist, for liking capitalism that was just better regulated. My thinking someone who works full time should get a living wage brings on them saying they don't earn it. Yeah, the most productive workers in the world don't earn it? Then they question poverty, a rate set too low now, as being set too high. Proof to them is that there are lots of poor people who are fat. Plus, many of them own televisions. I mention the skinny poor folks who don't have a TV, and they'll change the subject. Go after the victims. Don't go after the guy who stole that old lady's pocketbook, as he beat her to the ground. Get mad at her - for 'flaunting' her money in a pocketbook. Get mad at her walking in that part of town at that time of night. Yep. Classic. Perfect. What they do, what Rand does, is defend corporate elite trying to (successfully) run America. We the people? Nah, they the corporations.

[TwilightGardener]

7. LOL--sometimes you punch a hole 5000 feet down and then it accidentally

blows up and gushes oil, and then you accidentally don't have any way to stop it, because you accidentally decided not to make sure your blowout preventing equipment was functional. I can see his point. :eyes:

[ananda]

9. That boy is a racist, corporate eejit.

Does the twig fall far from the tree?

[mulsh]

10. way to change t he focus there Paulie

now, about your racist views did you get them from your folks or was this something you cooked up on your own? oh and while you're stumbling around trying to change the subject can you come up with your birth certificate?

[cindyperry2009]

11. Welcome Senator Conway

this idiot rand cannot keep his mouth shut.

[indy legend]

92. I hope you are right ,but I wouldn't take it for granted.

I grew up in Kentucky before moving to Indiana (another ass-backwards GOP state, but that's another story). There are plenty of dumb asses in KY to elect this ass clown. Hell they probably think he's a great Amerrrican, and he's a Republican so he's got to be on Jeebus' side. I know plenty of people in KY including family members who won't speak to me because I have the audacity to think for myself and be a Democrat. Never underestimate the power of the combination of right wing media 24/7 and stupid, illiterate, uninformed people who vote.Especially in a Gop hell hole like Kentucky. Voting for their own best interest has never been a strong point.

[cindyperry2009]

117. I completely agree with you and it makes me sad how

stupid and uninformed people in this state actually are. But I can only hope that this idiot keeps running his mouth and maybe they will not vote the dork into office.

[bulloney]

184. Kentucky is the state that has sent Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning to the Senate.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

[liberalpress]

187. I live in Tennessee

If he were to run here he ould not only win, he would be crowned Senator for life and be touted as the nezt Republican candidate for president. Contrary to what previous posters have said, everytime he opens his mouth, he gains MORE votes in Kentucky. The south is a one party area.

[meegbear]

12. Like criticizing the President is 'un-American'?

[No Elephants]

13. Agree with sinkingfeeling: Just keep on talking, Rand!

The President of the United States, elected by a healthy majority, is un-American for criticizing a company that is shatting in the planet's oceans? And Rand is the "real" American?

Maybe Rand doesn't understand the definitions of "American" or un-American?

[704wipes]

140. When oily and dispersant rain from the Gulf falls on Kentucky,

I wonder if he will change his tune and waffle off to another position like he has on the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
The Gulf of Mexico provides RAIN to a large portion of the southern US.
Has anyone considered what will be happening with that??? yet?

[charlesg]

14. Hey, BP is a private business and has a God-given right to pollute

and American taxpayers have a God-given right to obey all corporations, foreign and domestic

[ingac70]

17. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[charlesg]

19. Thank you kindly!

[CLANG]

15. Nobody should be blamed for this, right Rand?

Is that because you support large corporations raping the American people? That seems un-American to me, Rand.

[jman0]

16. Is British Petroleum an American company?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP

[BonnieJW]

20. Thank God

he's proving himself an asshole! We don't have to do anything! Just sit back and let him run his mouth, answer all the questions. Keep digging, Rand.

[caveat_imperator]

28. Yup.

The more Rand tries to argue that any criticism of a corporation, no matter how much damage it has caused, is "un-American" will mean a better outcome for the Democrats in Kentucky.

[AngryOldDem]

22. I hope the GOP likes what it sees...

...because Rand is the new face of the party.

For Dems, he's a gift that will just keep on giving.

What a moran.

[Lyric]

23. Rand Paul is un-American

[gratuitous]

24. Rand: Leave BP aloooooone!

Anyone else seeing a slight doctoring of a famous You Tube video?

[SalviaBlue]

40. Ha Ha... that was the image that popped into my mind too.

[easilynervous]

145. that would be funny n/t

[TheCML]

25. Funny.

I thought republicans and libertarians were all about personal responsibility. When I mess up at work I can't just say "hey accidents happen".


I bet when someone falls on hard times and looses their home, lively hood or access to health care the "accidents happen" routine doesn't work for him, I bet its more like "hey no one gets a hand out, its YOUR fault you're poor"

[LeftishBrit]

26. Since BP is (unfortunately) British, how can this be called un-American, even by a jingoist?

[NJmaverick]

27. Criticizing a British company is 'un-American'?

on what planet?

[Crunchy Frog]

166. Criticizing a company is un-American to a corporatist.

Corporations are godlike, and must never be criticized or held accountable in any way.

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Rand Paul - the gift that keeps on giving!!!

I expect that he can see British P(etroleum) HQ from his window in Kentucky!!! :rofl:

[Silent3]

30. It looks like all he had to do was win the primary...

...in order to self-destruct before our eyes.

[Bette Noir]

31. The more he talks, the more likely he is to lose.

Keep talking!

[kiers]

160. quite the contrary

he's talkin cause he got PAID. BP spent money. Money = victory in American Politics. Period.

[drm604]

32. Keep on talking Mr. Paul.

It's un-American to Criticize a British corporation for destroying an American ecosystem. Say it loud. Make sure the American people know where prominent Republican candidates stand on things like this.

Corporations can drill and pollute where they like, and restaurants can pick and choose their clientele based on whatever racist bullshit comes to mind! :sarcasm:

[olegramps]

39. He, like his fellow Republican Racists don't comprehend equality of citizenship and equal protection

According to Paul, minorities should only be tolerated and don't share in the same rights as WASPs. Those rights are reserved for God Fearing White Americans who founded this Nation on Christian principles. Being partly Native American, I suppose using his logic I could consider him to be an unwelcome alien.

[leftynyc]

33. He's defending BP????

I'm getting the feeling he really doesn't want to get elected.

[LibertyLover]

36. The president's criticism in not un-American but ,sadly, Rand's

stupidity is all too American - American Teabagger that is.

[defendandprotect]

38. Yep . . . keep talkin' . . .

What runs thru my mind is, how did this guy get so racist and hateful?

And then I remember . . . Ron Paul --

and Rand also has at least one son --

Can't wait to find out how the nuclear world is doing -- 106 nuclear power plants

here and most of the aged.

Many lacking repairs -- many questionable maintenance -- many changed hands.

[YOY]

41. Apple...tree..not far...

n/t

[tandot]

42. The gift that keeps on giving...don't stop talking, Rand

All your idiotic comments will be great material for campaign ads against you.

I can't wait to watch Hardball and Countdown tonight :)

[Deep13]

43. Here, Rand, you'll need more of this.

Just want to make sure you have enough to hang yourself. (figuratively, of course)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. the accident prone candidate?

I am beginning to worry that people will give him a sympathy vote. You know, support the handicapped, and all that.

[graywarrior]

44. I blame Rand's parents.

[djhowl]

46. Rick Perry (governer is an even bigger douche)

Our GREAT governor of Texas has declared the spill an "ACT OF GOD" therefore it supersedes any blame

[renate]

77. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[BlancheSplanchnik]

139. great idea. no accountability, the corpofascists light another cigar

while their pulpit puppets pressure the sheep to praaaaaaay harder.

[martymar64]

149. Welcome aboard, fellow Austinite!

[tsuki]

47. He should travel down here and see what is really UN-AMERICAN.

I would like to roll him in what is really UN-AMERICAN and let him live with it for a week, no bath, no Dawn dishwashing liquid.

I would say that killing your coast line from the Gulf to potentially the Grand Banks is UN-AMERICAN.

And following a failed foreign manifesto like Randism rather than the Constitution of the United States is UN-AMERICAN.

See you one UN-American and raise you three.

[Teka]

48. It is scary that anyone would vote for this moron

[hippywife]

49. Sounds like this one

is going to make the Shrub look slightly intelligent. :eyes:

[MJJP21]

50. What did you expect

What did you expect from a guy whose father watches the Flintstones as a documentary?

[and-justice-for-all]

51. Who the hell is this fucking moron?!

Sounds like a future GOP leader....

[BanzaiBonnie]

52. As someone said, Stupid is as stupid does

[Turbineguy]

54. Idiot.

He just wants to make sure everybody knows it. Well, he is the teabagger candidate

[madrchsod]

56. the gift that keeps on giving......

[daleo]

57. Unless it is classed as an act of God

The party responsible for the accident still has to pay.

[SoapBox]

59. Keep bring'n the CRAZY, Rand-E

...just keep on talking Rand-E! Keep showing ALL of America
that you are one, crazy, TeaBagg'n LOON.

And what is so "un-American" about criticizing this BRITISH company
that may have killed off a large part of the Gulf of Mexico? And killed
11 workers? And injured scores of others? And destroyed the livelihood
of thousands along the Gulf? AND, has been and EPIC FAILURE in telling
the truth about this whole thing?

So that is your idea of BEING American? To do those things?

Just...Keep...Talk'n...The...Crazy.

[snappyturtle]

135. Rand Paul is the gift that keeps on giving!!! nt

[RoccoR5955]

60. He should know, as unamerican as he is!

What a dumbass!
Don't you love the Libertardians, who blame the government for EVERYTHING? Oh, a corporation is NEVER EVER wrong!
This was not an accident. They were cutting corners, so that they could make more money, and now capitalism is killing the planet some more!

[paparush]

61. 3 . . 2 . . 1 . . and, we're done.

This guy is toast. He's clearly deranged. He and Palin should SO team up for a 2012 Presidential Bid.

[tishaLA]

63. Christ on a cracker. This one doesn't even know what he doesn't know

the perfect Palin candidate.

[Daemonaquila]

64. Keep right on digging that hole, mofo!

Oh, yeah - accidents like this "just happen." Never mind negligence by BP in about a gazillion ways, NObody could've foreseen or prevented it. Good luck with that election, Randy.

[callous taoboy]

65. Joe McCarthy? Is it really you?

[lurky]

66. So, does Rand's behavior pretty much confirm

everything we have suspected about Ron?

Clearly, the father is a lot smarter, smoother and more politically astute than the son. He manages to play footsie with white supremacists and still appeal to young, educated people who have libertarian tendencies ("He's anti-war! He's pro legalization!" ). And he is somehow able to push a radical, fundamentalist pro-corporate agenda and still be seen as a man of the people. It's an amazing accomplishment, actually.

The son seems to be running on the same platform as the father, as his father's political heir, even, but he just can't figure out how to play the game. Is he just saying what daddy is thinking but is too smart to say?

[icee]

67. I'm no fan of Obama, but this comment by Randy Paul was over the top.

[tqla]

69. Being AGAINST the Civil Rights Act is unAmerican!

.

[Enrique]

70. if Rand Paul had a lunch counter

he wouldn't let Obama eat there.

[sakabatou]

71. Someone, bring me my clue-by-four!

[Plucketeer]

72. Dear Rand!

PLEASE, don't stop delivering the coffin nails. With enough of them, we can interr the whole Tea Bagger movement. :rofl:

[undeterred]

73. I would like Obama to put his "boot heel on the throat of BP"

and on the big banks too.

[deconstruct911]

74. In what world?

[undeterred]

85. Fantasty world for progressives.

[deconstruct911]

88. Well I would love to see him do that also..

[dencol]

75. And people trust their eyes to this guy?!?

If something went wrong during surgery, the SOB would be liable to give up and say it was in gawd's hands!

[JenniferJuniper]

78. Can't wait for Rachel tonight.

She's going to have an insane amount of fun with this one.

[krabigirl]

79. He sounds like Palin or Cheney. I honestly see him as a neocon, not a paleocon as he claims.

[florida08]

80. interesting

Ownership statistics as 12/2009

http://www.bp.com/extendedsectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9010453&contentId=7019612

[LiberalLovinLug]

90. Good graph

Other than it kind of looks like 39% is more than 44% which is weird. Maybe its just my monitor.

But it shows that BP is not an American company, its not a British company. Its a multinational company. This unhinged breed of world citizen that roams the globe for enterprise possibilities and a place to set up shop. If a place becomes inhospitable, like too much protest, or too much taxation, or environmental or labor standards, they just pick up and go to the next place where the local government assures them of lower standards and taxes than the last place. and on it goes.

[florida08]

141. that was very well put

[LisaM]

82. The whole concept of our nation is predicated on criticizing England

just how high is he?

[TimesSqCowboy]

156. And wasn't the first act a, uh, tea party?

[renate]

83. he's just trying to distract people from the racism thing

Defending BP is only slightly less outrageous than the things he said on Rachel's show, but it's not a bad way to draw attention from all of that, plus it has him defending a position that libertarians can get behind without seeming like a bunch of KKKers.

I think it's a pretty clever move (in the diabolical sense). Sarah Palin has done very very well for herself precisely by spouting this kind of nonsense, having given up on trying to appeal to reality-based lifeforms, and so has Glenn Beck, and this approach could work for Paul too.

[TimesSqCowboy]

155. moved

[orbitalman]

84. Just Screw Rand Paul...Get him outa my face...

Keep him on Fox where I don't go.

[ClusterFreak]

86. And yet suggesting that private companies should be allowed...

...to discriminate against people based on race - as long as it's good for the bottom line - well, that's as American as apple pie?

Rand.

Apparently it's short for Randal, but come on...'Rand'...'Ayn Rand', objectivism, selfishness is good, the whole right-wing capitalism to the 'Nth degree thing?

That can't be just a coincidence, can it?

What say you, father Ron?

[polichick]

87. "Just keep on talking Rand!!" Yessiree, you're a real treat! nt

[thelordofhell]

91. The Rand doesn't fall far from the Ayn

:freak: :dunce: :freak: :dunce: :freak: :dunce:

[JenniferJuniper]

93. Was he by chance named for Ayn Rand? And

Woo-ee-oo, he looks just like Eddie Haskall.

[breadandwine]

95. How DARE Obama attack an ALL AMERICAN company like BRITISH Petroleum!

What WAS Obama THINKING, attacking ALL-AMERICAN BP, based in, er, um, uh, London.........!!!!!!!

The nerve!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look it. We don't need no STINKIN' Democrats!!!!!!!!!!


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If it wasn't for all them Democrats tryin' to fight with the oil companies they would have gotten the oil out of the ground with no problems!!!!!


Yep, go with the Republicans.

Drill baby drill.

[AzNick]

96. Rand Paul: the shortest Cinderella

Unbelievable. This guy went from hot to bust in 10 minutes.

[Canis Mala]

98. He doth protest 'accidents' too much, methinks...

Perhaps he's thinking about his own birth.

[kenfrequed]

100. Rec'd to help highlight what a douche Rand Paul is.

Honestly what is he thinking?

[kestrel91316]

103. Kestrel to Dr. Paul: It's unamerican to criticize the POTUS in a time of war.

Maybe even treasonous.

I know this because Unka Dickwad told me.

[alp227]

104. So pollution in the name of limited government = American?

That's pretty classy right there! I'll see in November how much the Kentucky voters will tolerate Paul's already eroding mind.

[bongbong]

105. Amnesty for Prisoners!

Hey, if that nutjob gets into office, people can use the "Rand Defense", the followup to the "Twinkie Defense".

Just claim the law you broke was an "accident", and that they "just happen...nobody's at fault". This should take care of prison overcrowding in a hurry.

[truthisfreedom]

106. BP is definitely London-based. See this article.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37274003

[JeffersonChick]

107. He's not the only one

As outrageous as this kind of deluded thinking is, what I find most discouraging is that it's not just one person's crazy justification - it's just a reflection of what conservatives think. Of the conservatives I've talked to among my friends and family, they too defend BP, saying "it was an accident. Anyone can have an accident!"

Talk about denial. What on earth will it take for any of them to "wake up and smell the oil spill?"

[RedCloud]

108. That's it! Off with his head. It is of no use to him.

[GreenTea]

109. Republican Rand Paul: Don't ever criticize corporations.....

Especially corporations like BP that makes tens of billions dollars in profit quarterly (every 3 months) - Not gross, but tens of billions of $$$ in profit....because money is the most important thing on this planet, certainly not the planet itself... And the blind & not so blind couldn't care less how BP and other corporations are carelessly & criminally destroying big chucks of the planet all the time ....and all republicans, like Rand Paul believe money & profits are all matter in life and it’s the only thing republicans care about...Republicans & their talking heads like Fox, Limbaugh, etc...believe BP (and other corporations) should be rewarded even further ...with more gifts of deregulation by ignoring their incredibly devastating human action to our planet....Republicans just want to ignore it all, down play it & expect us to do the same. These are shameless greedy corporate republican men without decency, compassion or a soul!

[Faryn Balyncd]

110. Was refusing to repay the British East India Company for their lost tea "Un-American"? :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8384551

[GreenTea]

111. Good tread & post.

[Kievan Rus]

112. Rand's propspects for winning in November are dropping like a lead balloon

[LaPera]

115. Like a Led Zeppelin....

That's what Zeppelin had in mind originally, (Lead Zeppelin)...But decided to go with "Led" instead because Jimmy Page really thought the stupid Yanks (Americans) would call them "Lead" Zeppelin...(you know like, LEADer of the pack).

[diane in sf]

113. What a maroon, they caused it with negligence, and since when are corporations sacred?

[MicaelS]

114. The Pauls are typical Libertarians.....

In their minds, government never does anything right, and business never does anything wrong.

[emmadoggy]

116. I heard him saying this shit on GMA this morning and was

cursing at my tv. What a dimwit, corporate apologist. :eyes:

[tjwash]

118. David Duke is endorsing this shithead...that should pretty much tell you about him.

nt

[Divine Discontent]

148. David Duke is supporting Paul??? Brilliant strategy! lol...

[DesertFlower]

119. yep. keep on talking.

[JackRiddler]

120. I can't think of better PR for Obama as he continues to let BP run the show in the Gulf.

[Odin2005]

121. Keep on talking, moran.

[Quantess]

122. BP = BRITISH petrol

[LaPera]

123. Right - "Un-American".......Paul what a

fucking money hungry lying disgusting republican! What Paul means is ALL corporations...since the corporations are the republican party - Over 95% of ALL billion dollar corporations are run by republican owners, CEO's, VP's and management....So of course republican Paul says don't criticize corporations and Fox, the pigman Limbaugh and the usual talking heads pound it in 24/7.

[EFerrari]

126. Calling Obama "un-American" is the same racist dog whistle Palin uses

"Obama is not like us". The topic doesn't matter. The repetition that Obama is "not us" matters to this slime and to his audience.

[LaPera]

128. Your correct. What Palin is preaching daily is absolute racism and divide & conquer....

Unity and what's best for the country is totally against everything republicans stand for....it's corporate profits & the corporate republican party, the rich, is all that matters to them above all else...as well as their republican racist imperialistic, military ideology.

Republican Palin is trying to be subtle, pounding it in 24/7, but there's no mistaken what she telling the republican sheep who are ALL racist as well....If your a republican you ARE a racist, NO exceptions!

[bobburgster]

124. He ain't heavy.....he's

the newest member of my teabagger despise list.

[customerserviceguy]

125. Rand Paul is illustrating something I've said for awhile

Clearly, there are a lot of House Blue Dogs in threatened districts. Why not let them be replaced with tea partiers in November, and by Election Day 2012, America will be clamoring for some grown-ups to come back in office. At that point, we can put in real progressives, who will have a much better chance with President Obama at the top of the ticket.

Of course, we don't want them in the Senate, which does the confirmation process, but dumping the Stupaks in favor of the Pauls might just give us a fresh shot at getting the rest of the President's agenda done in his second term. It's going to take till 2012 for his economic policies, already in place, to work fully, anyway.

[mvd]

127. Another pickup for us.

Guess democracy will be unamerican when he loses?

[dorkulon]

129. With a name like RAND, it has to be evil

Seriously, it's just not right that a man should be exactly what his father wanted him to be.

[DallasNE]

130. First Rand Paul

Uses the language of Jim Crow and now he is using the language of Joseph McCarthy. Does he not realize what he is saying? He is beginning to make Sarah Palin look like a brain and that takes some doing.

[noiretextatique]

132. like most racist nitwits, he doesn't understand

that majority of americans don't agree with him anymore. there was a time when his would have been mainstream, but thankfully, that time has past. like most teabbagers, this guy is stuck in a past that was only good for people who look like them.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

131. He's just itching for another spanking from Rachel.

[kanrok]

133. He's amazing!

n/t

[D23MIURG23]

134. What an idiot this guy is.

I always assumed this race was going to the republicans, but if this is their candidate, I'm no longer sure. He seems to have a knack for saying the most ridiculous and indefensible things imaginable.

Its un-American to criticize BP for their role in a devastating oil spill? Really? Good luck selling that to anyone with half a brain.

[cap]

136. is he trying to compete with Palin for the Naughty Monkey award

you know... who throws the most monkey hockey?

[KamaAina]

137. Just remove 'Obama BP criticism' from the headline

and it'd be right on target. :eyes:

[Permanut]

138. Gordon Gecko with white sheet and hood

I was hoping for Palin/Bachmann for 2012, but Palin/Paul, or Paul/Palin might be even more fun.

[lunatica]

142. Accidents seem to come out of Rand Paul's mouth a lot

[Connor W]

144. Keep up those useless opinions

Rand paul, a member to the dying breed, THAT SHOULD BE EXTINCT ALREADY.

[boppers]

158. Welcome to DU!

(And kicking the thread)

[Joanne98]

146. Long live the Queen!

[Divine Discontent]

147. leave it to Rand to make Obama's delayed consternation of BP be called just a 'blame game'

who the hell is this moron, and I bet he gets destroyed in the election against the Democratic candidate for Senate.

[Name removed]

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[Divine Discontent]

163. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[tango-tee]

172. Who bit the granite cookie this time?

I always miss the good stuff.

[johnaries]

151. Ho. ly. Shit. Yeah, please just keep talking.

This on top of his "Civil Rights" comments.

Although, I don't want him to discredit the Teabagger movement TOO much. What I really want to see is the teabaggers lose GOP primaries, and then start their own party and run their own candidates so that the Conservative vote is split.

Sorta like the way the Progressive vote is split.

At least that will put both sides on equal footing.

[Carter Hayes]

153. What a buffoon and a bigot to boot.

He needs to be defeated, come November.

[Aristus]

157. Keep digging, you racist dipshit...

:eyes:

[DemoTex]

162. As much as I hate the symbolism of the rope and noose ..

Mr. Paul has arranged and invited all to his public hanging. Appropriate? In this case, I think yes.

[Javaman]

164. Someone give bland paul a backhoe, stat! because a shovel just isn't enough. nt

[Kumbricia]

168. Brain-dead is Paul

[mdmc]

173. Rand is doing a great job staying in the national headlines

I have never heard a thing about Kentucky politics in my entire life..

[Divine Discontent]

174. ha! McConnell is from KY and leads the GOP in the senate, plus Bunning's the outgoing senator who

has fame for being a bit dementia-appearing in his campaign last time, and really seems way past his prime. I think it's abfab that this tool Rand is blathering on about all of his opinions, talk about campaign ammo! He better lose, because he clearly has nutty and bigoted opinions - oh, and sure love big business!

[chelsea0011]

175. Ok, everyone. Let's get on our hands and knees and bow to private enterprise, and

while we are bowing let's tell them minimum wage and no health insurance is fine with all of us.

[Xicano]

176. .

[Butch350]

177. Was your birth Your Mothers Accident - Rand my boy?!

[HEyHEY]

178. What the hell is Ru Paul going on about?

h

[HEyHEY]

179. Let me tell you all a story from my past misadventures as a reporter....

So, I'm sure you're all famimliar with Kinder Morgan. Well, it's a US company that was spawned from Enron (Bill Kinder and Richard Morgan.)
YEARS ago (SHit I'm old) I did an article on KM because they were taking over the British Columbian gas pipeline network. I found out all about their disgusting environmental and safety record. The article had some teeth and cause public concern, but KM was allowed to purchase the pipeline anyway (Thank god for governments that don't give a shit *rolls eyes*)

So, about three years later, if I have my dates correct, a massive oil pipeline burst in Burnaby, a suburb of Vancouver...well basically a PART of Vancouver, but the city is too divided to make a mega-city.

ANYWAY, the explosion was extremely similiar to an explosion that took place in walnut groce (May not have the name correct) California years earlier. This was not too soon after the company had been served a corrective action order from the EPA in the USA.

So, KM rolls out their slick-suited bastard PR man. He had the nerve to say his company had an impeccable safety record. I hit him with all the dirt I knew about his organization from my previous story. He stumbled and was at a loss.

Bottom line, I know that these oil SOB's will say ANYTHING to get out of a situation as soon as they possibly can. They are absolute scum and should be treated as such. DO NOT trust them. I've gone up against some pretty good grifters in my time, but the PR people at KM were the worst. I doubt BP is that much better, and their well-documented record speaks volumes.

[Botany]

180. This boy is one "smart feller."

Rand Paul: Obama BP criticism 'un-American'

Ah, Rand the company's name is British Petroleum. It is not an American company.

The original oil company "Standard Oil" spun off Sohio aka Standard Oil of Ohio in 1911 as a result of
an antitrust action. In 1968 BP bought part of Sohio in order to buy into the Alaskan oil fields. All
Sohio stations became BP later on. Same w/ Boron gas stations.

[BJ10]

181. Keep him talking...please!!! n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

182. BP is a British company.

A) If it were Mexican owned, we would have had been calling for everyone's papers.

B) If it were Mexican owned, we wouldn't have turned a blind eye to everything they were doing.

Play fair, y'all.

[HillbillyBob]

183. um ..I had to think about this, at least I TRY to think things through

AynRand Paul is an asshole.
What is 'Un-American' is letting a foreign company drill and take oil and shit on our entire Gulf Shores..how about you folks that vacation on the Redneck Riviera going down there and runnin off those foreigners ?

I like Brits in general, but their oil companies are as bad as ours. I don't like oil companies and before some schmuck starts in on me.
WTF are you doing to lessen our dependence on oil?!@ Even if the oil is coming from under our territory.

Ok ...I am not bragging here ok, just telling what we are doing to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels..

We own a start up organic homestead, veggies fruit trees etc.
We do own gasoline powered cars and tiller etc..
Our land is an old played out tobacco field..had been for over 250 yrs our soil was so bad the ONLY thing that grew here was thistles, briers and weeds.

We are chippng away at our power bill mainly since household electric is our and most everyone's biggest fossil fuel consumption.

We bought the place a bit over 3 yrs ago, we were renting before and had improved that place on our own dime. It was sold and the new landlord said well you made the place nice, so I am raising the rent(we cut the power and gas bills by over half) from 950$ to 1275$. It was a 1924 Craftsman cottage, the landlady had put some insulation in the attic new furnace and AC systems when she had lived in it and that was about all.
We stapled down mylar on top of the 12" batts in the attic.
I bought a solar attic fan that I made a frame that fit in one of the window so I could take it with when we moved.
We went from 350$ for power and 150 for gas to heat and 490$ to cool..to 200$ electric bills and 40$ gas bills. I sealed all the pipe and wire holes through the walls, put up insulated blinds. I also and opened the south side window blinds on sunny winter days.

The landlord was happy that he could show future prospective tenants the bills ....then he told me that he was going to take all that stuff I had bought and put in his house, including our wood stove which we had to leave because our backs went out on moving day. I did take my solar powered attic fan. I use it in the new house as a window fan.

The 'new' place is 2100sqft instead of 1100, now it costs less to heat. We use a 23,000 .
btu kero heater, the heat pump is 68,000 btu, we don't need all that capacity because we have added insulation of several kinds, insulated curtain liners, LED light bulbs replacing the CFLs as they die. This place takes 50 some bulbs, we replaced most of them with CFLs when we moved in, bringing about 20 with us from the rental. I had every intention of leaving them for the next tenant, though I rethought that when the new landlord started to take them as we were moving.

We use about 1200 kwhrs of power(that includes the greenhouse fluorescent lights to keep the tropicals and seedling starts for the gardens), down from 3300kwhrs when we moved in. We plan to reduce that to 500 kwrs then install solar/wind and woodgas powered generator power system. I don't know if we can bring the power down that much, we are going to try!

I have started scrounging bits to build a solar oven/furnace which I estimate should produce temps of over 400degrees. I will duct the heat from that to a solar oven/dehydrator and to under the house heating the floors.

I cook in covered pots on the stove or in the oven to save power, unless it is a dish that needs to be uncovered or uncover the last half hr to brown. I use a toaster/convection/rotisserie oven for most baking instead of the big oven. I have plug strips to kill vampire loads, coffee makers,microwave, tvs, my cell phone charges off the computer usb.
We are planning to put in induction cook top, solar well pump and water heater is here but need balance of system. Bought for half price on sale, yes it costs up front, but think of it this way..you pay for the thing up front then no oil, gas or coal is used after that.

Eventually we will get the solar water heater going..when I am well enough for long enough to build the support structure.
It has the capacity to heat domestic hot water plus enough extra to run a radiant floor heat system, at least for the bathrooms.

Our goal is fossil free or nearly so in the next ten years..that IS what we are doing to help the environment.

We also try to buy least packaging, we don't have to have the latest gadget..this puter is second hand, but the monitor is LED and uses 30, (2 on standby) watts compared to 100 for the old crt screen that got Ecycled a while back. We recycle, reuse, re-purpose.
The base box that I am going to build the solar furnace from the remains of the old top loader washer and free tempered glass I got via freecycle..the rest I still have to scrounge up.

Why should we allow oil drilling in our garden..think about it the gulf is where a lot of our food comes from.........

Being dependent on others for energy is NOT American Independence.

[varelse]

185. Personal responsibility isn't a conservative/libertarian value?

:wtf:

[SnakeEyes]

186. The origin of BP is irrelevent

because the supposed un-American label was being applied to American(s?) using the "boot heel on the throat" line. Besides, I think that imagery coming from the administration is a bit over the top and not exactly one you really want to project. It just sounds dictatorial. There are much better ways to state that.

[Mosaic]

188. Split Party

The more light is shown on this guy, the more the republicans split. Democrats are more united and will win, enabling progress, so long live the tea party!

As un-American as rand paul is, it takes one to know one.