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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:14 PM
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Oklahoma governor vetoes abortion bills
Source: UPI International

OKLAHOMA CITY, April 24 (UPI) -- Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry said he vetoed a bill that would require women to go through ultrasound examinations before abortions to avoid a court fight.

Henry Friday also vetoed a measure that would have banned wrongful birth lawsuits, The Oklahoman reported Saturday. Such suits are brought by parents of children born with Down's syndrome and other congenital problems that were not diagnosed during pregnancy.

Henry, a Democrat, said the first bill was likely to involve the state in expensive litigation. He also described the bill as too sweeping because there are no exceptions for victims of rape or incest.

"State policymakers should never mandate that a citizen be forced to undergo any medical procedure against his or her will, especially when such a procedure could cause physical or mental trauma," Henry said.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/04/24/Oklahoma-gove... /
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:20 PM
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1. What awful bills, it's good that Oklahoma has a sensible governor
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 01:21 PM by KingFlorez
A child being born with Down's Syndrome is wrongful birth? That sends a terrible message.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:26 PM
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3. I've hear of these suits before. They aren't aimed at the child, but at the Dr.
who SHOULD HAVE KNOWN there was a problem. This type of suit is the reason a lot of obstetricians moved out of some States. Anything that was wrong with the newborn SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN by the Dr's long before birth.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:38 PM
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35. It's more than just what they should have known.
It also encompasses failure to disclose (until too late) information which might lead a mother to terminate.

This nearly happened to my brother's ex. The fetus had no kidneys, which results in little or no amniotic fluid. As a result the lungs are unable to develop.

Fortunately the Ethic's Board waived the state mandated 22 week cutoff or she would have been forced to carry the baby to term, only to have it die, unable to take its first breath.
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edwinmathews Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:50 PM
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16.  Wrongful
Birth ?
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:44 PM
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19. Indeed, the combination of those 2 bills just sounds like an awful idea
Anyone else think it's an awful idea to pass a bill to make it much harder for women to get an abortion, while at the same passing a bill to make doctors liable for basically not giving abortions to women pregnant with down syndrome kids? I mean seriously, what kind of a moron would send BOTH bills to the governor's desk at once and not see the problem?
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:46 PM
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28. while at the same passing a bill to make doctors liable
Hello! Read it again!

He vetoed a BAN on "wrongful birth".




The doctor can only tell the women about the problem. SHE makes the decision.... right? Your concern and outrage is misplaced.

Read more slowly.... and then think about it. :eyes:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:41 PM
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27.  That sends a terrible message.
You did notice the governor vetoed a bill that BANNED "wrongful birth" law suites, right? And it's not about the baby (you're right, it is terrible nomenclature!) it's about doctors who fail to diagnose things they should be able to before the birth. I'm glad he vetoed the ban on such things.
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meowomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:43 AM
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36.  It is about a doctor misdiagnosing and yes, it can be a wrongful birth.
As much as we'd all like to believe that all people with Down's syndrome just have some mental challenges, the syndrome can also produce a person who has a multitude of problems like a seizure disorder, celiac disease, heart problems and other physical manifestations of the genetic disorder. Yes, most people with Down's syndrome are functional and live long healthy productive lives. But some are physically very challenged and need 24 hour nursing care from birth.

I'm a nurse who has worked with this disability and it can be very physically devastating for some and in my humble opinion, it is wrong to put a gastric tube in a human just to maintain a body with no function other than to breath, digest and shit.

And ultimately, it is a choice and the woman needs to make an informed decision. This is about negligence of a health care professional.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:37 AM
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:22 PM
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2. Well, what do you know............
A Democratic Governor who is not afraid to govern like a Democrat in a red state!
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:55 AM
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45. +1
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:30 PM
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4. A pity that Arizona does not have
a governor with similar ethics and willingness to veto wrongful legislation.
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Robeysays Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:12 PM
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8. we did until she got tapped to be the Sec of HS.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:23 PM
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9. My thoughts exactly.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:05 PM
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31. Jan Brewer is apparently trying for Evan Meecham's infamy...

BOYCOTT THE FASCIST STATE OF ARIZONA!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:43 PM
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5. K&R
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:01 PM
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6. An Outbreak Of Sanity and Principle In Oklahoma.

Kudos to Gov. Henry for this.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:10 PM
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7. Oklahoma where the brain come rushing down the plains.
Glad to see that some in this neck of the country have some principles.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:54 AM
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44. it's too bad he's leaving office this year...
we'll probably get psycho Mary Fallin. ugh.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:25 PM
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10. Good on him.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:33 PM
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11. Maybe their US senators;
Will drop dead because of this happening; I wish.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:36 PM
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12. Thank you Gov. Henry for standing up for women's rights and kicking stupidity down the sewer.
Hmm, I wonder how the state that has kooky politicians like Tom Coburn and Sally Kern and borders the state whose board of education teaches revisionist, uber-patriotic US history elect a nice Democratic governor.
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:38 PM
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13. Thank you, Governor!!!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:53 PM
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14. What's this...some SANITY from the state of my birth?
For once, I am somewhat proud to have been born there.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:41 PM
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15. Thank you Governor Henry!
Some much needed good news in a frigging crazy world.
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feslen Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:51 PM
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17. good for this governor!
hooray for someone with good heart and sense.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:33 PM
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18. A good decision!
:thumbsup:
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:46 PM
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20. Dear Governor Henry, I would like to offer my personal thumbs up
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saulmart Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:56 PM
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21. The Reddest State in the Country, Where NOT ONE DISTRICT Went for Obama
Whoulda thunk it??? Kudos, Henry!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:00 PM
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22. k/r
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:12 PM
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23. thanks brad
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:36 PM
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24. Excellent for Gov. Henry...but, you can count on a backlash
This place is overrun with teabaggers. And 2010 is election year for a new guv here. :scared:
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:42 PM
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25. They currently have 11 votes to sustain a veto but
they need 13. Not quite out of the woods yet.
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Eg-ptiangirl Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:53 PM
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26. You are still talking about abortion?
Enough is enough, if a woman wants to keep the baby fine if she doesn't also fine it is between her and God,cause it is just so weird to force someone to have a baby from her own body!!

You are a civilized and very progressive country you should know by now that every group will stick to his beliefs and move on.
Don't go on and on about the same subject cause it is related to religion, like we do here in this area or you will lose your freedom in all aspects step by step.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:15 AM
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38. One problem we have with certain issues is that we have 50 States...
... and in many subjects they are each allowed to make their own laws-- and when it comes to very contentious issues, some State legislatures try to exceed limitations. Each region of the country is somewhat different from the others in how they view the world.

It is very complicated, and I don't have the energy to try to explain it, but eventually you will encounter DUers who will be happy to go on at length about the differences between State and Federal governments.

Welcome to DU.

Hekate

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:51 AM
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43. Welcome to DU
We're not always that progressive a country - especially in certain areas.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:47 PM
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29. I would like to trade him for our Governor
This guy, while likely conservative to some degree, is at least consistent in his beliefs, pragmatic and sensible.

L-
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:18 PM
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30. this guy sounds like a profile in courage. I hope he still has a political future after this. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:19 PM
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32. Good news . . . and hope it remains defeated!!
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:00 PM
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33. knr. Good move by Ok's Gov! nt
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:04 PM
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34. May Karma or whatever bless this Governor.
What is astounding, is that Oklahoma has a Democratic governor.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:04 AM
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37. Bless the man for his uncommon sense. Oklahoma's women dodged a bullet this time. nt
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:17 AM
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40. "States should never mandate that a citizen be forced to undergo a medical procedure!"
That is plain simple English that even the teabaggers could agree with.

Not sure about this guy in general, but he explains his rationale in a very easy to understand and hard to argue with way.

Too bad all Democrats can't speak more clearly on important issues.
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:22 AM
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41. Ah, the "tyranny" of balance of powers...
So glad cooler heads prevailed on this.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:46 AM
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42. Good news. n/t
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:01 PM
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46. Can someone explain something, please......
Why is there are exception made by the anti-abortion crowd making the abortion of fetuses conceived by rape or incest ok? If abortion is the murder of a 'child' at any stage of development, why isn't it murder no matter how the 'child' was conceived? Why the exception? Hypocrites.
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