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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:10 PM
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Gov. Crist vetoes teacher tenure bill
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 12:11 PM by seafan
Source: St. Petersburg Times

TALLAHASSEE After weeks of protest and a deluge of messages, Gov. Charlie Crist on Thursday vetoed a bill that would link teacher pay to student test scores and wipe out tenure for new teachers.
His decision, announced in a noon news conference at the Capitol, came as little surprise. Although Crist initially voiced support for Senate Bill 6, he had distanced himself over the past week as protests mounted.

With just a little over two weeks left in the session, many educators and politicians have expressed doubt the Legislature can rewrite the bill and get it passed.
The Florida Senate passed the bill 21-17; it got through the House of Representatives by a 64-55 vote. The bill had strong support among Republican Party leadership, but some in the GOP joined Democrats in opposition.

.....

Crist has been inundated with messages about the bill, receiving more than 109,000. Though about 49,000 were still unread, almost 58,000 of the messages that had been logged were against the bill.

He had frequently said that he wanted to take his time to hear from his "bosses,'' the people of Florida, as he made up his mind.

Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article10876...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:13 PM
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1. Crist is not owned by Jeb Bush.
One redeeming virtue.
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SarasotaDem Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:18 PM
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6. Yay .......
Now if he would get rid of the "beard", declare that he is gay,
and turn Democrat he would win ........... :)
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:15 PM
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2. Yay! nt
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:16 PM
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3. Our Governor has done the right thing for the people. Despite the Jeb Bush wrecking machine.


Photo credit Miami Herald

After weeks of protest and a deluge of messages, Gov. Charlie Crist on Thursday vetoed a bill that would link teacher pay to student test scores and wipe out tenure for new teachers.



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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:16 PM
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4. WOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Thank GOD!!

The governor delivered a well-articulated argument for the reasons why he vetoed the bill. He said that tens of thousands of Floridians had called his office to ask him to veto it--I was certainly one of those who called and emailed on multiple occasions!

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:17 PM
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5. Yes!
Excellent, Charlie. Excellent.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:19 PM
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7. Alright!! Do they have the votes to override the veto?
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 12:20 PM by sinkingfeeling
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:03 PM
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58. No. It requires a 2/3 majority of both House + Senate. They eked out only 53%.
Looks like we're safe for this year.

But the blowhards Thrasher and Co., under direction of Jeb Bush, vow to attack teachers again next year.


Gotta remember, it's never over with Jeb Bush.


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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:53 PM
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60. I am not sure that Thrasher (CARPETBAGGER that he is) will be reelected.
He was elected in a special election to take over State Senator Jim King (R) after he passed away last year.

The campaign was one of the dirtiest I've ever seen.

He bought a condo in St. Augustine only so he could run for the State Senate in this district, however, he kept his house in out of district Clay County...

Thrasher's sponsorship of the teacher pay bill is not his only problem here, and perhaps not his worst problem. During the run up to the House voting on Senate Bill 6 and it going to Governor Crist signing or vetoing it, Thrasher was gently scolded by a local paper and by the St. Johns County School District Superintendent for not asking the Superintendent for input. (Superintendent Joseph Joyner was Florida School Superintendent of the Year and the SJCSD scores highest in the state).

Thrasher's reply? "I didn't know I had to talk to anybody." That was not an expression of ignorance. It was an expression of arrogance. He felt that he knows what's best for education in Florida without any input from his constituents, the voters. He don't need no stinkin' imput from no stinkin' voters.

Well, we don't need not stinkin' ethically challenged carpetbagger as our State Senatorial representative either.

I will remember in November, Mr. Thrasher. And so will all of the teachers here remember in November. And that goes for Dr. Proctor who is the representative in the State House who has an even more exaggerated sense of superiority. His letters replying to concerned constituents are so condesending as to be insulting. A whole class of High School Juniors wrote him letters last year asking him to try to help find funding for schools in the state. His answer was to the effect that these students were so ignorant that they should not be interfering with a State Rep and wasting his time.

Guess what? Those kids were very insulted. They are graduating from high school within two months. All of them will be 18 in time to register to vote before November if they are not already so. I think you can count on them voting for someone other than Bill Proctor. Likewise with some adult voters who got the same sort of treatment from you--Republicans at that.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:26 PM
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62. Thrasher, as head of the RPOF, controls the campaign purse strings of his fellow legislators.....
He can extort votes to his liking from them. I'll bet Jeb thought he had this teacher merit pay vote in the bag, with Thrasher the Basher knocking heads in the Legislature.

He was wrong.


As soon as I saw how hard Jeb Bush pushed Thrasher's candidacy last year for that Senate seat that the late Jim King held, I knew something was in the works. Then, when Thrasher, steered by Jeb Bush, steamrolled his way in as Chairman of RPOF 2 months ago, it confirmed my impressions.


I hope like hell you are right, 1monster, that Thrasher will be defeated in November.


I think we can bet the farm that Thrasher is using his position as Chair of the RPOF and its purse strings to threaten his colleagues to vote Jeb's way or else.


With Thrasher, it's Jeb's way or the highway. Make no mistake about it---Jeb Bush is still running this show.




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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:31 PM
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8. Crist: This bill is "contrary to the best interests of the people of Florida."
Quotes from Governor Crist on his veto of SB6:


.....

Crist said at a noon news conference that it is "contrary to the best interests of the people of Florida."

The governor said he vetoed the legislation, in part, "because of the process by which it passed. This sped through committees without meaningful imput" from teachers, parents and administrators.

"Sometimes stated goals do not match the words of the bill," Crist said. "I find the content of Senate Bill 6 and the manner of its adoption significantly flawed."

Chief opponent, the Florida Education Association, was quick to praise the governor.

Were thankful that the governor realized what some lawmakers wouldnt, said FEA Presidenty Andy Ford. SB 6 was formulated without an ounce of input from anyone within the public school community. Teachers, administrators and parents werent consulted and their views of this radical legislation were dismissed repeatedly by many legislators. But Governor Crist listened.

The highly controversial merit-pay plan for teachers has brought more than 100,000 letters, cards and e-mails, mostly from angry teachers urging him to veto the measure.

The bill was sponsored by Sen. John Thrasher, a Republican from St. Augustine who is also the chairman of the Republican Party of Florida.




Stick it in your eye, Jeb Bush, and that goes for your predator drone John Thrasher too.




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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:40 PM
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11. Amen! nt
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:42 PM
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28. Hope Blooms in Florida
I am incredibly happy that bill was defeated. It was a win not only for the students, teachers and parents in Florida. It was a win for public education and the teaching profession. It shows that the rhetoric about how teachers are lazy and incompetent and the caricature of unions as greedy defenders of mediocrity can be overcome with facts.

Floridians stood by their teachers and the governor listened. Democracy won.

incongressional.com
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:56 PM
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61. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:37 PM
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9. K&R
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:40 PM
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10. Yay!
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:41 PM
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12. YES!!!!
I like that last line about taking time to hear from his "bosses" the people of Florida. He could be a good one if the neocons would leave him alone. I'd take him over Rubio any day.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:52 PM
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14. OMG Yes
Rubio is the typical evil hates poor people and teachers type of Republican. Crist is a Repug too, but at least there is a person inside, not just an automaton for the rich folks and right wing crazies.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:08 PM
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21. you said it sister
have you seen Rubio's ad? Makes me want throw something at the tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROErHRmTrYw
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:44 PM
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13. btw seafan
your sig line really fits..it's a good one
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:16 PM
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31. Thanks, florida08.
I have to reread it many times a day for continued inspiration.

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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:54 PM
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15. Thank God
My daughter is a Jr. in college and wants to be a French teacher. I was so worried about her future! Now, at least for awhile, she and I can breathe easier.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:56 PM
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17. This is good! nt
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:55 PM
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16. Whew- He did the right thing.
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cachukis Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:58 PM
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18. Gov. Crist vetoes teacher tenure bill
Source: St. Petersburg Times

TALLAHASSEE After weeks of protest and a deluge of messages, Gov. Charlie Crist on Thursday vetoed a bill that would link teacher pay to student test scores and wipe out tenure for new teachers.

"I know in my heart it's the right thing to do,'' Crist said of his veto.

His decision, announced shortly after noon in a Capitol news conference, came as little surprise. Although Crist initially voiced support for the bill, he had distanced himself over the past week as protests mounted.

"I say we must start over,'' the governor said. "This bill has negatively affected the morale of our parents, teachers and students.''

Under the bill, half of a teacher's evaluation would depend on what kind of learning gains their students made. Those evaluations would determine their pay. New teachers would have been hired on annual contracts with no chance of tenure.


Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article10876...
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:58 PM
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19. pleasantly surprised.... Kudos to madfloridian
for making us all aware of this topic.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:58 PM
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20. I guess thats a good thing
unless you were hoping he would sabotage himself in the Senate race (he is running for Senate is he not?)
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meeshrox Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:16 PM
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23. strategy...
not, mine...from a friend:

He's losing so badly to Rubio in the primary polls...but, Meek vs. Rubio vs. Crist polls show Crist on top. Independent run? Not sure about the rules, but he could switch over and win with an I.

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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:12 PM
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22. WOO HOO from a teacher living in a state full of dumb-ass legislators.
And good on all of the people who protested. NOW WILL THE Democrats please get solidly behind public ed. and drive the point home that this bill was hugely flawed?
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border_town Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:26 PM
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24. Good for him!!
There is a number of things that factor into the test scores of students. Enviorment being the main factor. It would not be fair to the teachers in inner city schools compared to the richer districts.
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:27 PM
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25. F*** yes!!
::happy dance::
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:41 PM
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26. K & R
:thumbsup:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:41 PM
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27. That's good to hear.
There was massive outrage here over it. Seems like he listened.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:45 PM
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29. This is the Second Great Thing he did.....After his election, his first
important accomplishment was to include a paper trail on all voting machines for 2008 election

The thugs were against this, but because of an awful mess in a Tampa area congressional election, (2006) due to no trail, this was made into law. Therefore, with a paper trail, the elction in Florida for 2008 had a much better chance of being fair.

Do you recall who got those electoral votes in 2008?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:18 PM
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32. Another thing was extending voting hours in 2008 because of the huge crowds.
And man, did that make Republicans apoplectic.


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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:19 PM
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52. And he lead the charge to restore felons' voting rights
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:19 PM
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30. WTG Charlie! I gotta give a Repub credit when it is rarely due.
Crist got this one correct.

knr
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:27 PM
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33. Holy shit, talk about surprising!
Well done, Governor Crist!
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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34. Crist Vetoes Teacher Merit Pay Bill
Source: News 13

Gov. Charlie Crist has vetoed a controversial education bill that would have made it easier to fire Florida teachers and link their pay to student test scores.

Crists rejection Thursday of Senate Bill 6 was a slap at his fellow Republicans in the Legislature and former Gov. Jeb Bush, who had pushed the measure.


The bill had generated protests by teachers and parents across the state, and had scant public support. It was considered the most far-reaching legislation of its kind nationally.


Great news! Thanks Gov Crist!



Read more: http://cfnews13.com/Education/EducationHeadlines/2010/4...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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35. Phew
Good move.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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36. Thanks all who signed the petitions!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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37. let's hope the FL legislature does not override....
This is a case where having a republican governor might be a good thing, if it helps prevent the republican legislature from overriding his veto.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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38. Won't happen. It barely passed the Senate.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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39. Thank You Charlie. Now go (I) and kick rubio's ass.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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41. I am seriously thinking of
registering as an R for just this primary so I can help vote for him. I know a bunch of folks who are also considering the same. Then I'll change back as soon as it's over.

If Rubio gets the senate I may just have to seal myself into a time capsule. :(
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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42. +1 it might seriously be worth a switch to help smash JEBtm's hold on the state
:(
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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43. +2
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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47. I was thinking the same thing
I am currently a registered I. But I may change it to vote the primary. Rubio needs to be stopped - but Crist is trailing by 29.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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48. Same here.
I'm a registered 'I' as well. It's time to do some damage in the primaries on the 'R' side because this is MY Florida school system they fucked with this time.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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40. Right, not enough votes.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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44. YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
THANK YOU, GOV CRIST!
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SILVER__FOX52 Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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45. Charlie is maneuvering.....
Watch him run as an Independent this fall.  He knows he can't
win the Republican wing nut primary.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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49. Hoping this will happen
Crist runs as an independent and utterly destroys Rubio's chances for the Senate. Dare we hope the Dem candidate might pull it out of the fire, ala Bill Clinton '92?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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50. Yep, would be smart of Crist to run as an independent against Rubio & Meeks.
The teanuts are a majority of "wanting to vote" people in the GOP primaries, but come general election, Charlie could sway enough to win it, or if Meeks can get it done, surprise us with a win - and I would HOPE after seeing this veto, that Charlie realizes how scary his GOP challenger is, and would like to thwart his win.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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46. K&R
It's a brave move, and a well-deserved slap in Jeb Bush's face.

I cannot believe that, for example, a student's home life is not factored in.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:02 PM
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51. I am very impressed
Thank you, Governor Crist. This is a courageous decision on his part.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:37 PM
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53. Let's hope it sticks.
.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:01 PM
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54. Yeah. I hope this thing doesn't come back next year.
Who is running for governor there?
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:05 AM
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55. K&R from this teacher in CA.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:52 AM
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56. Wow, a Republican did the righ thing
Good for Crist.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:01 AM
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57. wow
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:17 PM
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59. OMG, Hell just froze over!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:45 PM
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63. Jeb Bush Slams Crist's Veto Of GOP-Backed Education Bill
The Sniper is letting it fly:






(Hat tip to TPM)


April 15, 2010


Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL) is strongly criticizing current Republican Gov. Charlie Crist's veto today of a GOP-backed education bill -- a bill that many have seen as a test of Crist's future in the GOP as he runs for the Senate.

"By taking this action, Governor Crist has jeopardized the ability of Florida to build on the progress of the last decade," Bush wrote, "which includes raising student achievement across the board, narrowing the achievement gap for poor and minority students, and improving graduation rates."

The legislation, which was passed through the Republican legislature in the face of massive protests from teachers, would have abolished tenure for new teachers and instituted strict merit pay guidelines. Bush has previously criticized Crist's backing of President Obama's 2009 stimulus bill -- perhaps the single biggest issue that has dragged Crist down in his primary against Marco Rubio -- as "unforgivable."

Here is Bush's full statement, released through his Foundation for Florida's Future:

"I am disappointed by the veto of Senate Bill 6," said Jeb Bush, former Governor of Florida and Chairman of the Foundation for Florida's Future. "By taking this action, Governor Crist has jeopardized the ability of Florida to build on the progress of the last decade, which includes raising student achievement across the board, narrowing the achievement gap for poor and minority students, and improving graduation rates. Florida's sustained improvement is the result of bold reforms that were challenging, controversial and sometimes even unpopular. Reform is hard work but without a commitment to change, Florida would not be 8th in the nation today."

"I applaud the courageous members of the Senate and House of Representatives for their leadership in advancing the bold reform that will eventually transform education in Florida. I applaud Commissioner Eric Smith for his unwavering service to our state and its students. I also applaud Florida's business leaders for their efforts to improve the quality of education for our state's 2.7 million students."






(Foundation For Florida's Future link added)



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