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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:03 AM
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Karl Rove: I wasn’t George Bush’s brain
Source: MSNBC

GOP strategist defends ex-president’s intellect and his own political style

Most people would probably find it flattering to be called the brains behind the president of the United States. But not Karl Rove, the former senior adviser to President George W. Bush who has been called “Bush’s brain.”

The nickname, bestowed on Rove by Bush critics, isn’t a compliment to him but rather an insult to his former boss, Rove told TODAY’s Matt Lauer during an extensive interview he granted in conjunction with the publication of his book, “Courage and Consequence: My Life as a Conservative in the Fight.”

“I’ve known him for almost four decades. He is a really smart person. To suggest that I was his brain is derogatory about him,” Rove said in a preview of the interview that ran Friday on TODAY. The full interview will air Monday and Tuesday, March 8 and 9, on TODAY. On Tuesday, Rove will join Lauer live in the show’s Studio 1A in New York City.

...

Lauer asked Rove for the secret to Rove’s long association with Bush. “What was it about the two of you that meshed so well?” Lauer inquired.

“He’s the outside man, I’m the inside man. He’s a big thinker,” Rove said. “I liked being around him.”



Read more: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35723068/ns/today-today_p...
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:07 AM
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1. "Big thinker". Uh huh.
:puke: And as for *liking to be around him*: evil seeks its own.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 12:00 PM
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40. He was actually his sphincter
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:13 AM
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2. Well, I'd do everything to distance myself from responsibility for that train wreck, too. . .
If Rover were simply a Grima Wormtongue, why didn't he deny responsibility back when BushCo's "ideas and ideals" were the media's darlings? Did he lack courage and fear consequences in 2002? Or is it -- as we suspected all along -- mere charade posing as resolute thought and action?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:13 AM
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3. He had an office in the White House for why??? He was in charge of polling, though. nt
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:17 AM
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4. I believe what he's saying. He wasn't Mr. Bush's brain...
We know Mr. Rove exists.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:19 AM
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8. I always thought of Rove as Bush's hemorrhoids.
Looks about as bad, too.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:17 AM
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5. "Chickenhawkery & Consequence" - should be the title of Rove's screed
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 11:22 AM by SpiralHawk
Should tell how Rove, Bush, Cheney and the half-vast cabal of chickenhawk republicons lied America into an Oil Profits Crusade for the benefit of their republicon cronies...

Not an ounce of real courage among the gaggle of republicon chickenhawks...
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:17 AM
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6. "Big thinker"???
:rofl:
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:06 PM
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24. Gee, does Rove lisp? More like 'big stinker' eom
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:18 AM
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7. Go to fucking jail, war criminal asshole. Shut up. Nobody cares. Everyone knows you lie upon lie.
Free Don Siegelman.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:19 AM
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9. Of course he wasn't. He was just another 'President.'
Cheney, Rove and Rice were the 'Presidents.'

Bush was just a slurring, smirking figurehead.

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:27 AM
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10. Why isn't this man in jail??
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:31 AM
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11. Uhhh...we know that and that's why you are called TURD blossom.
We know that Bush "squated" you out...
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:36 AM
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12. Well of course he denies it.
My guess is that now that Shrub is out of office he has let TurdBlossom know that he needs to stop the "brain" reference, or else.

People who piss the Bushes or their allies off have a tendency to end up dead.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:41 AM
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13. Rovelting....
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:47 AM
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14. he's right. this is Bush's brain:


or this:



or possibly this:



or maybe even perhaps this:



speculation of possibilities is infinite, really.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:48 AM
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15. He (bush) is a really smart person
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 11:50 AM by Botany
Whatever you say Karl.

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." --Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." --Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

"Do you have blacks, too?" --to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:52 AM
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16. Rove: I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boot
I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National
Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, complete with the--in
Texas you see it a lot--one of the back pockets will have a
circle worn in the pocket from where you carry your tin of
snuff, your tin of tobacco. He was exuding more charisma than
any one individual should be allowed to have."

No, my friends, that is not a quote from Laura Bush or any
other woman. Those words used to describe a young George W.
Bush were spoken by Karl Rove.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:56 AM
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20. That might explain Rove's relationship w/ Jeff Gannon


I wonder if Rove really thinks anybody is buying his lies?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:23 PM
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32. Yep. I think Dubya will always be Karl's one true love.
"Rosebud!"
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 11:14 AM
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37. Yeah, I remember that quote too.
KKKarl Rove was/is in love with Bush.


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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:54 AM
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17. I remember back in the mid noughties we kept on hearing what a genius Rove was.
How the mighty have fallen. }(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:55 AM
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18. That's right. He wasn't the brain, he was the co-conspirator. n/t
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:55 AM
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19. Heh. Too late bozo. You're 'it'.
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Lilicat Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:16 PM
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21. Big what now?
Did he mean 'stinker' ?

Hell, I wouldn't admit it either.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:36 PM
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22. Did Lauer ask him why the author of 'Bush's Brain'
was placed on the no-fly list and is still on it? Or why despite many attempts to find out why he ended up on that list, he has been told he cannot get that information?

Any reporter who gets a chance to talk to this cowardly, criminal thug and plays soft-ball with him doesn't deserve the title 'reporter'.

I agree he was not anyone's brain. He's not exactly a genius himself. All he ever had going for him was, like his protegee O'Keefe, he was willing to commit criminal acts to accomplish goals. We would all be geniuses if we were so bereft of morality and principles that we were willing to do that.

And yes, as someone else asked, why is he still not indicted for the crimes he committed to overturn elections? Didn't they find the lost emails etc that prove his involvement in yet another crime?

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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:57 PM
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23. Rove is an obsessive habitual manipulating liar. Bush is an idiot-Both are trying to change history...
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 12:58 PM by GreenTea
Of what really happened, the lies, the stealing of the elections they stole, their pure hatred of workers, the scams, allowing corporations do as they please, the wars for profit, etc...

Rove & Bush & Cheney desperately want history to read differently about their arrogance & wickedness their elitist greed & power hungry world and most of all to hide the pleasure they get from their vindictiveness their love hurting other and watch people die.

Rove is always lying to cover his evilness, hoping to divert the truth and put the blame on others whom he tried to destroy like democrats to name one.

Bush is and always will be a "C" brain at best, and an egotistical bore, a born liar a psychopath and a complete moron.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:09 PM
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25. Read this
"Walking away, (Rove) muttered deliberately and loudly, "I change Constitutions, I put churches in schools ..." Thus he identified himself as more than the ruthless campaign tactician -- as the invisible hand of power, pervasive and expansive, designing to alter the fundamental American compact.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/11/25/clin...

Doesn't sound like the Karl Rove he describes in his book.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:14 PM
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26. No One Would Be Flattered To Be Perceived As the Brain That Fucked Up the Country.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:25 PM
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28. +1
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:21 PM
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27. Does Karl mention his dad in the new book?
Essay: "I'm the proud owner of Karl Rove’s father’s solid gold cock ring."
http://boingboing.net/2007/08/18/essay-im-the-proud-o.h...

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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:58 PM
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29. Well, if he wasn't his brain,,,,,
surely then, he must of been his ass!
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 09:30 AM
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35. Why do you think Dumbya referred to Rove
as "Turdblossom"?
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:19 PM
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30. He wasn't Bush's brain, but he played one on TV! n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:53 PM
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31. You damn sure wasn't his conscience.
x(
rocktivity
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:06 PM
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33. I'd Deny Being Responsible
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 05:06 PM by WVRICK13
for the biggest fuck up our country has seen in power to date.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:52 PM
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34. Big thinker Bush: I shud haz presidensy. Inside man Rove: I can steal that for you.
Heck of a job, guys.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 03:02 PM
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44. Your subject line is perfect.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 09:54 AM
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36. So Karly admits that Bushie had no brain at all?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 11:37 AM
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38. He should hang next to The Regency of Crawford.
See Gabriele D'Annunzio. Both bush and D' Annunzio were of privileged birth, both proto fascist.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 11:39 AM
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39. Ok KKKarl, we'll start referring to you as "Bush's Asshole."
Happy now?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 09:43 AM
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41. A pebble rattling in
an empty barrel. Maybe brain is a bad word in this case.
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warm regards Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 10:06 AM
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42. I believe him...
No one could be that stupid.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 02:56 PM
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43.  "'He’s a big thinker," Rove said" I never realized Rove was so funny.
To the extent Bush had a brain, Rove was it. However, I would never admit to being Bush's brain, either, so I guess I can relate to Rove's denial. (What are "Words I never thought I'd type,", Alex?)

As for Matt Lauer, he is such a shill. During the 2004 camapaign, Kitty Kelly wrote a book about Poopy Bush. Matt Lauer interview her about it for four--count 'em--four days, trying his damndest to tear apart every negative thing in the book. JMA (Journalist, My Ass.)
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 03:55 PM
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45. it is late in my day, so all i have to offer is...
:rofl: What a lying asshole!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 05:43 PM
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46. Both of ya'll's sociopathic brains Suck.
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