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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:46 PM
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Obama wants to freeze discretionary spending for 3 years
Source: CNN.com

January 25, 2010 8:27 p.m. EST

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama will announce in Wednesday's State of the Union address that he's proposing to save $250 billion by freezing all non-security federal discretionary spending for three years, according to two senior administration officials.

The proposed freeze, which could help position Obama in the political center by sharpening his credentials on fiscal discipline, would exempt the budgets of the departments of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs, along with some international programs.

"We are at war, and we're going to make sure our troops are funded adequately," one of the senior officials said.

The officials would not reveal the details of which domestic programs would be cut, as they prepare to face major pushback from liberals in the president's own party because popular education and health spending could be on the chopping block. The details will be officially unveiled February 1, when the president publicly releases his next budget blueprint for fiscal year 2011 -- which starts October 1 -- and beyond.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/25/obama.spending.f...
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Razoor Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:49 PM
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1. interesting
its going to be interesting to see how this works
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:50 PM
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2. If we wanted spending freezes we would have voted for McCain.
I think President Obama should have at least try some of his more liberal campaign ideas before he started using McCain's worn out ideas.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:55 PM
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4. No shit.
I thought Obama was going to turn left. :shrug:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:27 PM
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14. double no shit
I don't get it
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:02 PM
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8. In fact, McCain proposed the exact same thing!
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:14 PM
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48. more and more, not a dime's worth of dif between Obama
and Mcain, other than Obama has a much better VP in Biden - this man is going from bad to evil
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:05 AM
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65. +1
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:51 PM
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3. face major pushback from liberals in the president's own party
I always say, when your base is already pissed the best course to take is to screw them over even worse.

Especially in an election year.

Who's side is Obama really on?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:30 PM
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16. This sounds hard right
I can't believe what I'm hearing. You have to SPEND yourselves out of a recession. And military spending is not included? Even more wrong. Once again we don't try to win over the people with progressive principles - we'd rather just go right.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:07 AM
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66. +1
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:56 PM
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5. Bush's third term
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:05 PM
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9. So it seems. Every day is just another blow to those of us who worked hard to
get him elected. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that the Obama administration would be this bad. :-(
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:13 PM
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47. Wrong! Bush kept spending and spending without regard for deficits
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:51 PM
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55. Um, you do realize that Obama's budget has the largest deficit in history, don't you?
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:41 AM
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92. In part because he finally acknowledged many expenses
that Bush was cooking the books on.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:34 AM
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79. That's what happens when you wage wars, spend a ton of money on raising and lowering alerts,
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 01:35 AM by No Elephants
are not particular about how much you over pay Halliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater, etc., yet don't reduce other expenses or raise taxes. That's what Republicans do, so they can accuse the Democrats who follow them into office of being "tax and spend."


Why alleged "security" spending is sancrosanct is beyond me, though. I bet we have many equivalents of that infamous $1000 plastic toilet seat floating around (no pun intended) in the budgets of the Pentagon, Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, Secret Service, etc. Not to mention the budgets of Congress and the Executive Branch.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:52 AM
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98. No, actually it is his sixth ...
... but most people either haven't noticed or don't really care.

Bread & circuses.

Bread for the MIC, Wall Street, the banks, the corporations.

Circuses for the great unwashed (regardless of whether they claim
loyalty to the red shade or the blue shade of the imperial purple
that has been running the show for so many years).
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:57 PM
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6. Ugh. Whatever. Until he cuts the WAR budget, we are still wasting money, for the wrong reasons
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 08:04 PM by slay
and in the wrong places. Obama's decision to escalate Afghanistan will likely cost him my vote in 2012 and saying that military cuts are off the table, well hell he might as well be GOP. This fucking stinks.

*edited for spelling error
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:59 PM
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7. How much do I not like this person? He's learned all the wrong lessons. n/t
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:10 PM
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10. "sharpening his credentials on fiscal discipline"?
It doesn't matter the right will still find ways to bash him and say he's hurting the economy even if McCain proposed this. Why do this?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:15 PM
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11. Military gets whatever they want, everyone else gets the middle finger.
FUCK THE MILITARY!!
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:34 PM
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19. Banksters get much more than the military.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:49 AM
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82. The greatest amount of dollars the banksters received was in the form of guarantees.
The military still gets far too much money and the Pentagon has trillions of dollars they literally can not account for.
I am tired of spending my tax dollars for oil wars, for hate, death and destruction.
Obama is doing exactly what Bush would be doing and that is fully funding the war machine and cutting every thing else.

Unplug these wars and we can start saving money right away.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:17 PM
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12. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, ad infinitum.....
:argh: :banghead: :argh: :banghead: :argh: :banghead: :argh: :banghead: :argh: :banghead: :argh: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:26 PM
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13. I wonder what this means for job stimulus, which is
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 08:52 PM by barb162
very dearly needed.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:49 AM
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72. If you have to ask, you already know.
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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #13
111. to the point soldiering will be the ONLY job
and isn't that what they all want? Isn't it???
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:28 PM
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15. k&r
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:32 PM
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17. FUCK. This is UNREAL.
:banghead:

:argh:


As we all know, spending - with no questions asked - is for important things only, such as wars and bankster bailouts. :crazy:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:53 PM
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56. I don't even want to think about it. For shame.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:14 PM
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112. don't forget "foreign aid".
No freeze/cuts there either. Because using our tax dollars to prop up foreign governments is more important than using it to serve the American people??
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:32 PM
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18. My stomach used to drop with a sickening feeling
every time Bush proposed something. I did not expect this feeling with Obama.
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:34 PM
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20. This is the Scott Brown win reaction n/t
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SanchoPanza Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:36 PM
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21. See it here.
PDF format: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/trs....

A lot of it has to do with cutting agribusiness subsidies. Good. Not only does it eliminate many boondoggles but it has the added virtue of sticking it to Kent Conrad, they guy primarily responsible for keeping them in there last year. The same guy who's been pimping entitlement reform as a means of curbing the debt.
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:38 PM
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22. It just keeps getting better. Freeze the military budget instead. End the wars.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 08:39 PM by t0dd
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:39 PM
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23. The only half-way decent thing I can think about this is that America will MAYBE learn the error of
it's war-mongering ways.

A bunch of people supported Bush and his war by re-electing him. Now they are going to learn what it means to pay the piper.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:41 PM
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24. That worked so well for Hoover and later Roosevelt when he tried it briefly.
Why are these failed ideas being recycled? It's as if no one knows history.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:55 PM
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32. They're recycled because those who believe in small government
will always be there and they keep up with that line forever, even when spending/ stimulus is desperately needed.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:46 PM
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62. B-E-R-N-A-N-K-E
He's a scholar of the Great Depression. He thinks it's an instruction manual.

And Idiocracy was a documentary.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:43 AM
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81. Well, then he knows tthat cutting spending was Hoover's error and trying to quiet
Republicans by cutting spending was FDR's error. The latter failed either to quiet Republicans or to help the economy. WEII bailed out FDR's error, but, since we are already in two wars, I don't know what is going to help Obama.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:43 PM
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25. end the goddamn wars!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:44 PM
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26. Deleted message
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:52 PM
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29. Agree completely
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 08:53 PM by mvd
Since I want out of Iraq and Afghanistan, you have to spend on some kind of protection force/surveillance as a last resort, but the military budget is completely bloated. Military spending is the thing that should be frozen first. If Obama is listening to the right wing of the party, that spells trouble. Because what those Brown voters (who are Democrats and independents) really want is leadership. They're confused by the right's message. So why not push the left's message?
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malakai2 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:47 PM
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27. I got it!
He's not playing chess. He's playing golf. Lowest score on election night wins.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:46 AM
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97. Ouch!
That was so apt it was painful!

:applause:
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DeltaLitProf Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:49 PM
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28. Sad to say, but $83 billion a year is a pittance
. . . compared to the size of the budget. Granted, the government does NOT need to curtail spending in a recession, but this could have been far worse, and may give Obama the chance to cut some corporate welfare and some ridiculous farm subsidies.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:08 PM
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35. The point is that it's way more than $83 billion/year
It is a cut of $83 billion PLUS whatever amount over that $83 billion would have been appropriate.

If the economy was guaranteed to be completely fixed in 2011 this would be a cute stunt.

Since there is no such guarantee it is monstrous.
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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:57 PM
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110. not a lot compared to whole budget but
it's a lot to the Americans it might have helped
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:52 PM
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30. Tough guy posturing.
"We are at war, and we're going to make sure our troops are adequately funded..."

All non-military spending is just an opportunity to demonstrate the administration's "fiscal responsibility." Sound familiar?

I know this brand- it's Bush Lite.

Pathetic. Repulsive.



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scarabus Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:53 PM
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31. 2012
OK. If he does this, I'm through. Any suggestions for a Democratic, genuinely progressive candidate to oppose Obama and Palin in 2012?
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:59 PM
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33. sigh
the biggest money-wasting group in the government is, by far, the Department of Defense. If we aren't cutting their budget, we aren't cutting anything. To help solve the budget issues take a look at DoD no-bid contracts, costplus contracts that could be fixed-price, and just flat-out useless programs.

If the Dod doesn't take the most cuts, then this means nothing and is a useless gesture.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:07 PM
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34. Bush/Cheney/Obama... a 12 year national nightmare.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:08 PM
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36. It's almost like a "Democratic" budget.
Except it's the exact opposite.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:11 PM
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37. Who is giving him this lousy advice and why the fuck is he listening to them
He's going to piss off actual Democrats and not gain the approval of the repubs he tries so hard to please.

I can't believe he dreams up shit like this himself, so somebody must be feeding him these dumb ideas.

This person needs to be identified and appointed ambassador to East Bumfuckistan no later than last week.

If Obama doesn't know where to find this douchebag, I've got a hint for him.

He may look something like this:




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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:40 AM
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101. I totally agree RE Has got to go!
:banghead: !
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:14 PM
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38. Ahh, the good old Bill Clinton days
NAFTA, The End Of Welfare As We Know It, The Era Of Big Government Is Over. I bet Big Dog wishes he'd thought of making people buy from Big Insurance.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:16 PM
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39. Oh sure, money for the MIC doesn't get affected. FUCK THAT
And worse yet, they use "support the troops" emotional blackmail. I thought I voted for a Democrat for President.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:26 PM
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40. and the DNC called wanting $$$ to "further his agenda"
I asked them exactly what is his agenda? I was told a long list of crap and I said, "What about his agenda to END THE DAMN WARS?" No answer.

Then I told the DNC that Obama needs to stop buttering up the asses of a bunch of people that could care less about him. He needs to focus on doing a few things that are very important, #1 being to end the damn wars - the reason I voted for him.

The DNC guy said he agreed with me but he couldn't talk any longer as he had 15 seconds left to talk to me. Fine idiot, fine.

I'm registering Independent I ended the conversation with.

Same old shit, different "leader". :puke:

:dem: :kick: & recommend. !!
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:31 PM
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41. What a bunch of crap.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 09:31 PM by earthside
I'm sure there is waste and fraud in the "non-security" discretionary budget.

But we spend/borrow a trillion dollars a year on the military and military related programs.

Not one working class American should suffer because of a spending freeze --- especially if the Pentagon remains a sacred cow.

I'm disappointed .. yet ... again.
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Wardoc Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:34 PM
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42. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuckking dammit, again. It is like the bullshit is accelerating. (nt)
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:42 PM
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43. I'm having....
....another Gomer 'surprise, surprise' Pyle moment....when cheney was running the government, deficits didn't matter....now that the Dems are running the government, we're in a deficit crisis....

....when the pukes come to power, deficits won't matter again....I'm getting sleepy; I think I'll take a long nap on November 2nd....
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:46 PM
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44. Oh yes! Let's freeze spending
on education and health care!! Gotta keep up with the Jones' on the wars!

Fuckin' A, Mr. President. This is NOT why I gave up all those Saturdays and hard-earned dollars
for you to win the election. Your pretty talk doesn't mean shit at this point.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:07 PM
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45. Is he really this stupid?
REALLY?
:wtf:
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:19 PM
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49. Yep, Though we normally call this really REPUBLICAN
Don't We ?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:03 AM
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88. He was the president of the Harvard Law Review.
He is not stupid. :shrug:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:29 AM
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105. Ronald Reagan was a great actor
no pun intended
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:05 PM
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106. Ronald Raygun was a great sellout. He was a charming gangster.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:13 PM
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46. Sounds like China pulled our credit line n/t
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:37 AM
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80. That was my first thought too.
It would not surprise me in the least if this is happening behind the scene but part of me thinks it may just be an overreaction to the Brown win. I don't know what to think as my first reaction was that we really need a lot of money to create some jobs out here and get some people back to work. If that does not happen, tax revenue will continue to decrease and the country will continue to fall further into depression.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:24 PM
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50. And raise taxes on the rich??
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:35 PM
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51. Is there any way of getting Obama's attention?
Someone's gotta get him to wake the hell up.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:48 AM
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71. There is. It is called the Scott Brown Election.
At least it should have been. I was actually happy that Brown won. I was really hoping that it would be a wake up call and would save seats in November. There could have almost been no better of a wake up call. Since it didn't, we are done. End of story. Thanks for playing. Such huge opportunities lost. Why is it that Democrats are so great at screwing things up. Is there nothing that we can't screw up?
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:36 PM
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52. I'm coming to the conclusion that Obama's not just horribly naive, but also plain
stupid.

This plan makes no sense whatsoever. How many times have we all heard that the Great Depression was exacerbated by spending cuts? And politically, this will be a disaster. Forced austerity measures during times of 10%+ unemployment aren't a great thing to run on.
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:03 AM
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64. he might be many things but
that man is not stupid. He knows exactly what he is doing!
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:37 PM
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53. That's stupid.
We are not out of the Great Recession yet by a long shot, and the only way out of this is for the government to spend.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:39 PM
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54. Start with the mega-corporations comprising the Military Industrial Complex. eom
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:55 PM
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57. President Romney
I wonder what else President Obama needs to do to ensure a Romney victory in 2012.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:40 PM
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60. at this point, we can only hope Romney would be more progressive
CRAP!
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #60
68. With all this talk about the perfect not being the enemy of the good
Lets not forget who got health care for his constituents.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #68
95. I was actually being sarcastic...
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 06:41 AM by JCMach1
but it is a particular irony that he was able to work with the Democratic legislature to get a plan passed...
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:15 PM
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58. Well, If He Is Interested In Reducing The Deficit, Then Its A Polar Opposite Of Bush
We had a surplus under Bill Clinton, but Dubya handed President Obama a large and growing deficit.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:23 AM
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76. We need to wait until after the recession
The freezing of spending comes at the wrong time IMO.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:38 PM
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59. Fucking hell, if I had wanted McCain in office!
What fresh new horror is this?
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:42 PM
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61. Lost me with the boogyman, cheesefest, ""We are at war." nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:52 AM
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83. Jeeeez, it sounds like Bush is still running the place.
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 01:53 AM by avaistheone1
Obama certainly has become the friendly face of corporatism, war and imperialism.

I am beginning to have a better understanding of the revolt by Massachusetts voters every day.
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:51 PM
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63. OK, now he's embarrassing himself. I'm torn between anger and pity. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:12 AM
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67. Y'all funny!
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 12:13 AM by FrenchieCat
:rofl:




Here is the 2010 budget.......by department (the total would be frozen for 3 years)

The + or - sign next to each department is how much

the Budget for that department grew or shrank

going from Bush to Obama.

Now, tell me, do you notice anything?


$78.7 billion (-1.7%) - Department of Health and Human Services
$72.5 billion (+2.8%) - Department of Transportation
$52.5 billion (+10.3%) - Department of Veterans Affairs
$51.7 billion (+40.9%) - Department of State and Other International Programs
$47.5 billion (+18.5%) - Department of Housing and Urban Development
$46.7 billion (+12.8%) - Department of Education
$42.7 billion (+1.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
$26.3 billion (-0.4%) - Department of Energy
$26.0 billion (+8.8%) - Department of Agriculture
$23.9 billion (-6.3%) - Department of Justice
$18.7 billion (+5.1%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
$13.8 billion (+48.4%) - Department of Commerce
$13.3 billion (+4.7%) - Department of Labor
$13.3 billion (+4.7%) - Department of the Treasury
$12.0 billion (+6.2%) - Department of the Interior
$10.5 billion (+34.6%) - Environmental Protection Agency
$9.7 billion (+10.2%) - Social Security Administration
$7.0 billion (+1.4%) - National Science Foundation
$5.1 billion (-3.8%) - Corps of Engineers
$5.0 billion (+100%) - National Infrastructure Bank
$1.1 billion (+22.2%) - Corporation for National and Community Service
$0.7 billion (0.0%) - Small Business Administration
$0.6 billion (-14.3%) - General Services Administration
$19.8 billion (+3.7%) - Other Agencies
$105 billion - Other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal...


This is not a bad thing; Freezing spending programs
after a 2010 8% increase and the rearranging of priorities.
The new budget will be proposed in February,
and this announcement will make it not only non controversial,
but a positive thing....
but it still is an 8% increase over 2009!



beyond that, the TARP money is still available to fund special programs dealing with the economy.....

I personally some of y'all like being mad,
and others don't actually analyze much.





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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:20 AM
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69. thanks for the info - facts on the table are always a good thing

can't be shoved off the table and argued because the facts always come right back - not that your info won't be thrown back at him by the other side but they aren't good with facts anyway, as they make their brains go mushy
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:29 AM
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70. So your point is
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 12:32 AM by pezDispenser
That a discretionary freeze, that really isn't a a discretionary freeze - just smoke and mirrors - is a good thing? Or its a discretionary freeze 2 years from now, when "y'all" will forget about it is a good thing?


Maybe you could spend some more time analyzing.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:20 AM
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74. No, it is a freeze, after upping spending by 8%.
Now, we maintain that level...because income revenue are going to go down sharply....


it's not about smoke and mirrors,
it's about a smart strategy.

It's only smoking mirrors if you don't look at the numbers,
and make a lot of assumptions.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:53 AM
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84. What is the three year total for 2 unecessary wars? n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:17 AM
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86. Well, I know that Obama said he would end both wars after being in office 12 months.
oh...that's right, he didn't....
and neither did anyone else,
except Kucinich. and oh yeah...he lost.

When was the last time the defense budget was cut,
even targeted cuts?
Name the President.

Obama decreased certain spending while increasing other.
His Defense spending budget for his first budget (2009 was bush's)
is the 2010 budget and the defense war spending includes both both Iraq and Afghanistan
for the first time.



Obama budget cuts target military funding
But Pentagon outlays will rise


President Obama has targeted the Department of Defense to absorb more than 80 percent of the cuts he has proposed in next year's budget for discretionary programs.

In its "Terminations, Reductions and Savings" booklet, which the administration released Thursday, the White House highlighted the results of the president's line-by-line scrubbing of the federal budget.

The administration identified $11.5 billion in discretionary program terminations and reductions for next year. The Defense Department will take a $9.4 billion hit, constituting 82 percent of the cuts. Defense accounts for 49 percent of spending on discretionary programs, which Congress must fund each year.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/08/obama-b... /


The FY2010 budget offers two necessary changes from past Bush administration budgets. First, Obama will reportedly hold the defense budget flat at FY2010 levels over the next 10 years, adjusting only for inflation. The Center for American Progress made a similar recommendation in Building a Military for the 21st Century: New Realities, New Priorities, which in December 2008 argued that the current sum of $534 billion:

If used wisely, is more than enough to ensure American military predominance while recapitalizing equipment lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, and growing and modernizing the force. The next administration should therefore keep the defense budget flat over the next four years, adjusting for inflation and fluctuations in the U.S. dollar.

Second, after over seven years of war in Afghanistan and nearly six years in Iraq, the Obama administrations budget will include the cost of the two wars for the first time. Under the Bush administration, the cost of the warscurrently totaling $657 billion for Iraq and $173 billion for Afghanistan<1>was appropriated through emergency supplementals, a process that allowed the services to take advantage of war-funding bills to request money for significant non-war-related projects, such as additional F-22 Raptors, that should have been included in the DODs baseline budget. CAP advocated reforming the process:

DOD should in the future submit appropriations for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with the baseline request in one consolidated budget. This procedure will allow lawmakers to scrutinize the items from the supplemental and force Congress and DOD leaders to make trade-offs and hard choices when considering the FY2010-13 defense budget priorities
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/02/defense_...


Lawmakers Question Obama's Missile Defense Cuts
By Jennifer Griffin
- FOXNews.com

Lawmakers are demanding to know why the president's proposed 2010 defense budget cuts missile defense by $1.2 billion and does not provide any funds for the European missile defense shield as Iran and North Korea defy the international community with missile testing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/lawmakers-qu... /
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:10 AM
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73. I understand what you are saying, but..
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 01:11 AM by mvd
the Bush administration had already cut funding to the bone, except for defense spending. So freezing all federal discretionary spending for three years is something I'm opposed to. I will see what the President says during his speech; maybe there's a catch somewhere.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:23 AM
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75. But spending went up 8% in 2010 from 2009....with Obama's budget,
while revenues have tumbled down, and will tumble further due to our economy.
Add the TARP money recoup back the picture
and we have paygo, and keeping a rein on spending to
a level that will keep us from being owned by China sooner.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #75
77. Understood, but that still doesn't change my opinion
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 01:26 AM by mvd
I don't think a freeze is good right now, period. We need MORE spending; people are still hurting out there. I have no problem increasing the deficit right now.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. But this is a flexible freeze, as is my understanding.....
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 01:35 AM by FrenchieCat
and not relegated to each program....
maybe even not to each department. that's first.

Second, he is talking about the 2011 budget,
which is what will be presented next month,
not the 2010 budget.

2nd, if you ran the numbers,
you'd get it a bit better, possibly.

did you look at the chart that I put up?

DO you realize that this has nothing to do with the TARP money,
recouped, to be recouped, and being paid back now, and some will
be used to fund job programs?

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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #78
85. We'll see what he says in the speech
Until then, I definitely remain wary of this freeze.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
90. What is a "flexible freeze"?
lol
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:23 AM
Response to Reply #90
94. lol!
The budgetary figures for a given program or department don't have to stay stagnant (frozen),
as they can be reclassified (moved around). Just that reclassification can't change the overall bottomline.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #67
89. Right. Some of us just like to be mad and everyone else doesn't notice.
That's classic denial.

The fact is, the right will say it's not enough and the left will say it's wrong. Which it is.

Good grief. Obama needs to ditch the idiots that are wrecking his presidency. And you need to stop defending them because your'e not doing him any favor whatsoever.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #67
108. The freeze is set to start in 2011. So using 2010 budget numbers does not
refute the argument being made.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:40 PM
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109. The Freeze in 2011 will be based on the 2010 numbers......
The 2011 budget is due next month.

So yes, using 2010 budget numbers is exactly what makes sense....as they will be
2011's numbers due to the "freeze".
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:56 AM
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87. Obama . . how about taking military spending back about 30 years and FREEZE it???
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:59 AM
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102. BOOM goes the dynamite!
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:45 AM
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91. Just another corporatist helping destroy the democratic party
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:16 PM
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113. and the American middle class. n/t
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:46 PM
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115. thats true from the very start this admin has been fixated on heading in the wrong direction
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:05 AM
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93. A possibly important quote
But one administration official said that limiting the much smaller discretionary domestic budget would have symbolic value. That spending includes lawmakers' earmarks for parochial projects, and only when the public believes such perceived waste is being wrung out will they be willing to consider reductions in popular entitlement programs, the official said.

"By helping to create a new atmosphere of fiscal discipline, it can actually also feed into debates over other components of the budget," the official said, briefing reporters on the condition of anonymity.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10026/1031141-84.stm?cmp...
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:20 AM
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96. Congress hasn't declared war on anyone. Cut military spending in 1/2. Then
come ask me for donations. Until then....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:53 AM
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99. How about cutting out the Bush tax cuts instead of America's throat
FDR my ass. More like Hoover.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:03 AM
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100. oh the WARS and MILITARY SPENDING DOESNT GET TOUCHED
lovely..what a surprise. geezus f krist.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:02 AM
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103. Obama/Cheney/Bush are rolling up the middle class right on schedule....
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 10:03 AM by mike_c
There's still some wealth to be wrung from the rapidly depleting mine that was once a goose full of golden eggs. It's diminishing, but with some judicious wringing the bankers and the MIC can still squeeze out a few more years of boom times. Good times, good times.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:27 AM
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104. Let Exxon Mobil finance the war on Iraq
that would save more money
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:02 PM
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107. "We're at war..."
And, whose fault is that?

Homeland Security...feh!
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:21 PM
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114. I keep searching for the Congressional declaration of war and
always come up short. All I find is an Authorized Use of Military Force
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