Sharon: Fence will build friendship

[dArKeR]

 Despite growing objections from Palestinian officials, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon defended the construction of a security fence that cuts into parts of the West Bank, telling NBC News that “a good fence will bring I believe good friendship.” Sharon’s interview, broadcast Wednesday, followed his meeting at the White House on Tuesday with President Bush.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp?0cv=CB10

An insane man.

http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/

[Occulus]

1. Ooh, yes,

gimme some of that Berlin-style friendship. Please.

[saigon68]

53. FRIENDSHIP CURTAIN

Don't want to confuse it with the IRON CURTAIN

[phillybri]

2. Holy shit....

I have no words...Bizarro World indeed.

:crazy:

[htuttle]

3. So we can expect him to go 'chew the fat' at the back fence with Arafat?

"Mr Sharon. Tear down that wall!"

[joeybee12]

4. This is like the Terrorism Stock Market

It's just too bizarre--how can he really believe that?????

[pink_poodle]

15. That's the kind of statement that Bushco would make...................

that kind of statement that really makes no sense whatsoever - has no logical meanings, yet rolls off the tounge like a good sound byte should.

[qanda]

5. No comment...

Except to say that I must be living in 1984.

[peekaloo]

6. Razor Wire spells out Welcome Friends!

come on over.

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. For once, I actually wish Reagan had his brain back

....because I think even he would be :puke:ing at this suggestion and the fact that Junior doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

"Mr Sharon, tear down this fence"

[NormanConquest]

9. This reminds me of

"The Mending Wall," by Robert Frost

"Strong fences make good neighbors."

[The Stranger]

8. Translation: The only way it makes sense is understand it's about land:

Give me your land, I'll build a fence around it, and then we can be friends. :)

[dArKeR]

10. Roadmap: Sharon 'not serious'

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's insistence on building a West Bank barrier proves he is not serious about implementing the peace roadmap, Palestinian security chief Mohammed Dahlan said on Wednesday.

"It shows Israel is not thinking seriously about implementing the roadmap" backed by the United States and international community, Dahlan said.

"We refuse this wall, because it has no security purpose. This wall will only increase hatred between the Palestinian and Israeli sides because it is a racist, separation wall."

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1394900,00.html

[DeathvadeR]

33. But but but......

We are friends with Mexico.... And they don't seem to mind our own version of a security fence????

[dArKeR]

11. Do you think Bush and Sharon are competing for who is more INSANE?

Bush with his 'Terror Futures Market'
Sharon: 'Fence will build friendship"

Or are they testing to see if their citizens are INSANE?

[MaineDem]

12. Have you seen this thing?

That's some stretch of the word "fence".

I've seen less outside prisons.

[Mal]

28. But it's a FRIENDLY

razor-wired, reinforced-concreted, sniper-manned fence.

[dArKeR]

13. West Bank security fence is 'racist'

A fence separating Israel from the West Bank is "racist" and a symbol of the lack of coexistence between Israel and the Palestinians, the Palestinian prime minister said on Wednesday, a day after US President George Bush backed off from overt criticism of the security barrier.

Mahmoud Abbas told Jordan's King Abdullah II that the fence "has little value from a security point of view and the Palestinians reject it because it is being built on their lands," the official Petra news agency said.

"The fence is racist," Abbas said. "It represents a title for no coexistence" between Israel and the Palestinians.

http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=18034

[PsychoDad]

14. The warsaw ghetto

and the berlin wall made for great friends....

[olmy]

16. If it was electrified would they be super pals?

[Noordam]

17. A 24 foot high WALL is not a "fence"

An eight-meter high wall that is part of an Israeli security fence that will cut off the West Bank. Israel is unwilling to make any concessions over the fence despite fears it would hinder the Middle East peace process.(AFP/File/Sven Nackstrand


US Tax payor money at work building Berlin Walls :(

[donsu]

20. Yes - it's not a fence it's a WALL

this is a Coward's WALL

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. Even Howard Dean supports this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=5282&mesg_id=5282

[StandWatie]

43. yeah, but which fence?

they keep moving the construction plans around and the last one wound up looking exactly like the Sharon Plan where Israel colonizes the borders and shuts up the palestinians in a pair of circular prisons in the center.

I support a fence like the one that borders Gaza or the Lebanese border, I don't support a facts on the ground Sharon Plan ghetto.

[DeathvadeR]

34. Goddman....

I got to say thats a fence. Seriously bigger then those in prison. I would be outraged. It's as if they are turning Palastine into a prison yard.
Ty for pic, never seen it.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

18. "The Friendship Wall"

What was the movie where a politician built a wall between the US and Mexico and called it the "friendship wall"?

[Cheswick2.0]

30. who is he Robert Frost?

yup, we can call it the Mending Wall.

[Monte Carlo]

19. Oh, yes, look how the Berlin Wall brought the Germanies together...

... They just LOVED the wall.

When someone spouts out nonsense, it is a tactic. The rational are forced to discredit the original nonsense before making their own assertion, which the nonsensical will simply brush off with further nonsense. Goebbels would be proud.

[sierrak9s]

23. Hm.

Of course, the difference between the Berlin Wall and the wall here is that the Berlin Wall was intended to keep East Berliners in, not West Berliners out.
I'm no great fan of the wall either, and I have huge concerns about the allegation that it cuts into land not properly belonging to Israel, but at the same time...what do you want them to do? We don't want Israel invading the West Bank...we don't want Israel occupying the West Bank...what DO we want? What is Israel permitted to do in order to defend herself?
Must Israel simply stand by while murderers bring bomb belts into Israel from the West Bank?
The number of attacks from Gaza is minuscule compared to the number of attacks from the West Bank. The reason? Because there's already a wall between Israel and Gaza. Why is this wall wrong, if that wall is acceptable?

[The Stranger]

25. Not exactly.

Must Israel simply stand by while murderers bring bomb belts into Israel from the West Bank?

You already answered your own question:

We don't want Israel invading the West Bank...we don't want Israel occupying the West Bank...

[sierrak9s]

32. That's what we don't want.

What is it that we DO want? What is Israel's permissible response to bombers from the West Bank?

[DeathvadeR]

35. How about the Fuqs stop taking land and give back the land they stole/

Maybe then they will stop the bombings.

[sierrak9s]

37. History...

suggests otherwise. Unless you're referring to the entirety of Israel as "stolen land," that is.

[StandWatie]

40. yeah, but check the map I posted below

a wall is fine, donut holing them to death and basically putting them in prison isn't.

[sierrak9s]

50. I did...

look at your map, and found it extraordinarily helpful and instructive. I have to agree with your conclusion that the way they're going about it is wrong.
But that wasn't the complaint I was responding to. I was responding to the idea that any wall is wrong by definition, and is comparable to the Berlin Wall in its wrongfulness.

[ze_dscherman]

36. It was not the "Iron Curtain", it was the "Peace Wall"

At least that's how the German Democratic Republic called it. And it was not meant to lock in people - oh no. It had to be built to prevent capitalist saboteurs and agents to invade the GDR.

There were certainly people that believed this.

[dfong63]

21. the old saying

... that "good fences make good neighbors" does not apply when you're building your fence smack dab thru your neighbor's property.

[Samuraimad]

22. The walls work great in N. Ireland!!!

what a putz...

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. Howard Dean supports this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=5282&mesg_id=5282

[Raster]

26. so now we know, Sharon IS ON CRACK!!!

WTF!!!!...

"...a good fence will bring I believe good friendship..."

[Tinoire]

49. Qualqiliya

Qualqiliya


This map shows the dramatic case of Qalqiliya, which will become a huge prison.
the wall will encompass Qalqiliya completely, leaving one opening guarded by two checkpoints.
the city, once a flourishing centre of commerce, will suffocate and die.
More Facts and figures
All in all, the wall is expected to have a devastating impact on the lives of some 210,000 Palestinians, living in 67 towns or villages.
11,700 people in 13 villages will be imprisoned between the wall and the green line.
At the demand of the Israeli settlers, the wall is planned to move far further to the east, to include the settlements of Ariel, Emanuel and Kedumim. This will increase dramatically the number of Palestinians who will be affected by the wall.


http://www.gush-shalom.org/thewall/index.html

[Loonman]

27. Sharon the bloodthrsty warmonger

Ol' fat-ass has a lot of balls talking about 'friendship'.

[StandWatie]

29. it wouldn't be a bad idea if it was straight..

but it's not, I used to like the idea until I saw the thing. This is not going to make anyone any friends.

[Tinoire]

39. Remember the Warsaw Ghetto?

Now, we'll have the West Bank Ghetto.

[Wonder]

42. The Ironies of this Wall and this Occupation

seem lost on so many.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

52. UGH

If that's the plan, then it is COMPLETE bullshit.

I support Israel's right to build a FAIR wall, substantially along the Green Line; every country has the right to police and secure its borders. I also think that conceptually, a wall would help bring about a necessary "cooling off" period.

But as described in the map presented, the thing is a monstrosity.

DTH

[AntiCoup2K4]

38. Does this mean Ariel Sharon will produce the Judds reunion album....

...Love Can Build A Fence :evilgrin:

[Wonder]

41. Ah yes another Deception in place VERY OLD NEWS

THIS WALL HAS BEEN UNDERCONSTRUCTION SINCE LAST YEAR... no mainstream attention to the adverse and antagonistic aspects of this wall to "friendship"

While attention is always directed to the Islamic fascism. Sharon the butcher is as fascistic as they come and he is in direct defiance of the impotent bush... Of course it doesn't really take much defiance to when what you defy is bearly an obstacle to you.

WILL you look at that rhetoric --- no acknowledgement of the demolitions involved behind this fence, the homelessness created, the humiliation of the Palestinians, the impotence of the wall itself, the utter defiance of the peace process itself, the pretense of border negotiations, and the dismantling of settlements... all utter lip service... this rhetoric just serves to mask the racist transfer policies Sharon stands for.

[maxsolomon]

44. the wall will become the de facto border.

personally, i was flabbergasted when i heard there WASN'T a wall already.

israel is defining its borders unilaterally. if palestine wants state status, this is the deal. a suicide bomber-proof wall with secure crossings. maybe it comes down in a couple generations, maybe it doesn't.

sharon is lying in the language of diplomacy. he doesn't mean it, just like bush doesn't mean it when he says we invaded iraq to free iraqis & bring them democracy.

israel has decided to negotiate from a point of strength instead of holding hands with hamas & the al fatah martyr brigades & singing kumbaya. it is unfair, harsh, brutal, & ugly. but they are powerful now & palestine is weak. to operate otherwise is in some ways irresponsible to the citizens of israel.

to the victor go the spoils. its realpolitik. the palestinians can't get angrier.

[Wonder]

45. well yes that sums it up in pragmatic terms

but for the us media suppression of the Palestinian perspective...the Israeli and US propaganda that makes all Palestinian resistance virtually baseless all of it relegated to terrorism...and the complete subversion of the Palestinian cause. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it...

The Palestinains have no change unless they somewho cull media coverage of their own and the expose the fact that PM Sharon has never had any intention of either negotiating at eye level or making any real concessions...


In essence all serves Israel. Now they have a Wall and an Occupation...
with past peace plans as much a charade as this roadmap.. which is no different...

It is not about Israeli' Security it is about guaranteeing Israeli Control and in direct violation of a number of UN resolution... it is fascistic and the US subsidizes it... but for us Israeli would be but another terroristic paramilitary information junta in the desert.

[StandWatie]

46. it's not a border..

they aren't just sealing their side, they are encircling the Palestinians and walling them in that's called a ghetto.

[Julien Sorel]

48. What negotiations?

israel has decided to negotiate from a point of strength instead of holding hands with hamas & the al fatah martyr brigades & singing kumbaya. it is unfair, harsh, brutal, & ugly.

The rather obvious purpose of this wall is to utterly obviate negotiations. The Palestinians live on land Israel wants, they have steadfastly refused to roll over and cede that land, so now they get herded into these giant ghettos and Israel takes the land. There's no 'negotiating' about it.

[Wonder]

51. It is by now so transparent

debate is virtually moot. Except for those cutting and pasting RW doctrine and propaganda, and those that just refuse to admit the truth of the matter.

[maxsolomon]

55. i agree with your point

the israelis are only pretending to negotiate. trying to satisfy the religious insanity of the settlers without tearing the ruling coalition apart led to this zig zag wall. sharon can't write those idiots off if he wants to avoid losing power, or worse, assasination.

i believe that israel will allow a palestinian state. the villages surrounded by the wall will eventually wither & die. the settlers won't be able to continue their hostile, foolish, rascist activities beyond the wall. everyone will go away unhappy. that is probably the best you can hope for.

i don't see any other solution that is realistic.

[Tinoire]

47. Separating the Palestinians from their Land

The "Separation Wall" is not meant to separate Palestinians from Israelis.
(If that were so, it would have been built on the 1967 borders - the "green Line")

It is not even meant to provide security for the Israeli citizens.
(The wall is 3 times longer than needs be)

A World Bank report:[br />The Separation Fence Will Hurt Palestinians Immensely.
An article on the World Bank report.
published in "Ha'aretz" 18/05/03


The Wall is the concrete manifestation of the Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and yet another method of carrying out a policy of confiscating more Palestinian land. If Israel would genuinely be interested in the security of its citizens, and in separation from the Palestinian people, it would have erected the wall on the "Green Line"(the border that existed before the 1967 war). But this is not the case. The majority of the planned wall cuts deep into Palestinian territory, incorporating into Israel about 10%-15% of the occupied territories, a huge portion of very fertile land full of olive groves, greenhouses, vegetable fields and water resources. It will cut off villages and towns from their farmland, centres of trade, education and culture. It will intensify the ongoing environmental destruction and degradation taking place in the occupied territories. It is also an attempt to legitimise the Israeli settlement policy. In short, it is intended to be a death blow to any possibility of a viable Palestinian state.
For hundreds of thousands of Palestinian farmers, the wall will represent a prison with no warden
with no means of sustaining their families - to the point that will force many of them to simply leave their homes, and try living elsewhere as refugees.
This is an intention of quiet ethnic cleansing, the sort that cannot be photographed, but is nevertheless as effective and devastating.
for this reason, we have decided to refer to the wall as a transfer wall.

The transfer Wall, therefore, is not about 'security' or just another aspect of the Occupation. The planned expansion of the Wall can provide the outline of Sharon's plan as to the possible borders of a Palestinian 'entity' when the 'road map' is unveiled. It must not be at the negotiating table as the starting point for a 'road map' to peace since it will not bring peace and will destroy any possibility for creating a Palestinian state.

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[JackSwift]

54. I wonder if they are using

pieces of the old Berlin Wall.

"Mr. Sharon, tear down this wall!"