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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 08:40 AM
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Government health insurance option appears doomed
Source: Associated Press

By DAVID ESPO
AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON -- Senior House Democrats have largely abandoned hopes of including a government-run insurance option in the final compromise health care bill taking shape, according to several officials, and are pushing for other measures to rein in private insurers.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other senior Democrats told President Barack Obama in recent meetings they want the legislation to strip the insurance industry of a long-standing exemption from federal antitrust laws, officials said. That provision is in the House-passed measure, but was omitted from the bill that the Senate passed on Christmas Eve.

They also want the final measure to include a House-passed proposal for a nationwide insurance exchange, to be regulated by the federal government, where consumers could shop for private coverage. The Senate bill calls for a state-based system of exchanges.

Additionally, House Democrats want to require insurers to spend a minimum amount of premium income on benefits, thereby limiting what is available for salaries, bonuses, advertising and other items. The House bill sets the floor at 85 percent; the Senate-passed measure lowers it to 80 percent for policies sold to small groups and individuals.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/business/breaking-news/story...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 08:58 AM
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1. it was never going to be an option.....
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:06 AM
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19. Pres Obama should not have toyed with out emotions-He said he would
veto a bill without a public option.

It was cruel. Just plain cruel.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 08:59 AM
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:01 AM
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3. I smell something...
:eyes:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:54 AM
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11. Nah, this is neither a rec or unrec issue, there was no chance the PO would make it
Edited on Sat Jan-09-10 09:54 AM by HughMoran
into the final bill. More interesting to me is what they are fighting for in exchange for the PO.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 10:02 AM
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 10:30 AM
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14. Well, the 3 items mentioned in the O/P are high up there in importance IMO
I posted my opinion on those below - other than that they may not be talking about it - we'll find out what they get soon ehough.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:26 AM
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25. Pathetic "explanation" you got there
Masquerading for an excuse, which is really just being apologetic to the Administration.

Give it up and get back to fighting for what we need and want!

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:45 AM
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28. So we shouldn't fight for what we can get in the bill
Because I'm some sort of 'corporatist' 'apologist' for the Administration?

You got anything except pathetic ad-hominem attacks?
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 12:56 PM
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31. See post #5.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 05:46 PM
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32. I smelled right, I guess...
:D
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:10 AM
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5. Forget this horseshit bill and PASS legislation to strictly regulate........
..........these vultures and rescind their anti trust provision. This would do a hell of a lot more than this so called shit "reform". Everyday as more look through the bill there are these awful things popping up like the Ensign amendment. I truly believe that this bill will actually make the system worse.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:15 AM
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:22 AM
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24. Right. And once it passes it'll institutionalize the private insurance.....
........companies as a government provider of healthcare. Let's see where all these people are that are now saying "once it's passed, we can fix it" when they have MORE money and MORE power. Let's face it, once this passes we will be FUCKED.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:26 AM
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7. The national level exchange part
is important, a state based system is bullshit.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:35 AM
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8. the public option was the compromise.
it was the compromise to keep single payer off the table.

just keep pushing single payer every year until it passes.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:38 AM
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9. The ineptness of our elected officials is staggering.
"Change" my ass.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:14 AM
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21. "Inept" . . . ?????????? This is corruption . . .
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:52 AM
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10. I'm glad to see they are pushing for some positive changes in return
Edited on Sat Jan-09-10 10:31 AM by HughMoran
We all knew the PO wasn't going to make the final bill anyway, but the anti-trust exemption, a nationwide exchange (I think there are advantages to this including making it easier to add a Federal plan in later) and increasing the benefit ratio to 85%. These changes may seem small in comparison to the PO, but they are likely to have a greater impact on the average person sooner, so I support them.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:28 AM
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26. Again, I call BS!
This bill is worse than nothing and we must start over.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:48 AM
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29. Call whatever you want - since they aren't starting over, can we at least improve what we ARE get-
ting? I don't understand the reticence about fighting to improve what is actually going to pass - what is the point in fighting a battle that is already lost?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:58 AM
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12. A few things....
I wrote these three posts over the past month...

30 million people owing their souls to the insurance company store...Thu Dec-17-09 09:32 PM


:rant:

Sure, you don't have to buy insurance, but we will make your life miserable if you don't.

This is what we get with no public option.

I was once a member of that 30 million, now I have a grind the wheat worker bee job with insurance rates rising each year.

I know how much it sucks if you have something wrong with you and you can't afford to see a doctor. And going to the ER isn't an option because they don't treat the symptoms.

If this pile of tripe passes, life for 30 million people gets that much harder and that much more controlled.

Didn't pay your forced payment for insurance? Well, pay this fine! What? you can't pay the fine? Well, then, here's your orange jump suit to work with your fellow non-payers.

WTF?

The Insurance corps new motto: Squeezing more out of the poor than ever before!

we went from single payer to public option to buy into medicare to this colossally huge stinking pile of bullshit.

It's always been about making the insurance corps compete. Period. If those bastards have no competition, we the people, get nothing. NOTHING.

I'm beginning to think that that secret agreement that the "gang of 10" made was more bullshit and puffery to try and convince and already skeptical public that they are actually doing something.

Nothing, a big fucking zero came out of that "secret meeting".

I'm not quite done with these morons just yet, but, damn, I'm getting pretty fucking close.

:rant:

And...

The main reason what we are watching is nothing more than kabuki charade is...Thu Dec-17-09 10:27 PM

Come their "holiday recess", they will all suddenly stop, smile, pat each other on the back, wipe faux sweat from their brows, hoist a few and go home.

The ones that are supposed to "give a damn" will help roll up the carpets, put away the chairs and join their brethren in some holiday cheer.

Where is the out rage? Where are the acts of defiance?

Those things, my friend, are written in the pages of Hollywood scripts. Where good wins out over evil and the little guy catches a break. That's why those movies sell so well, because they are written whole cloth from the minds of fiction writers.

There will be a few that will mumble and grumble as to "why aren't we doing the peoples work?", that unnamed senator, representative will shout!

But when that gavel falls, they all, even the grumblers, will gather their papers and go out to the masses to weave tales of how hard they really "tried".

They will be in their warm homes, eating their gut busting meals and knowing that their health plan will take care of them if they choke on a bone from the roasted beast.

And within any direction of a dozen or less miles from that same little Hallmark moment gathering, there will be people, we the people, struggling to pay bills, deciding whether to eat, pay the mortgage/rent, the medical bill or keep the heat on.

While they make their plans for reelection, we make our plans to survive and live.

I'm tired of it all. I really am. I'm sick of these thieves, sycophants and glad-handers that masquerade as people representing out "best" interests.

I will be impressed, really impressed of one of these store bought tools actually shows a little guts and keeps congress in session into the holidays.

THAT would spark, in me, a flame of hope. That would show me that someone anyone cares about we the people.

Alas I feel as I am reading that script from Hollywood again.

Sigh.

These are, indeed, the times that try ones souls.

Finally...

One hour after the bill passes...Fri Dec-18-09 05:56 PM

Agent: so Mr. Doormat, here is your policy...

Mr. Doormat: I need to read this first.

Agent: naaa, you don't want to do that...

Mr. Doormat: why not?

Agent: well, to be perfectly honest, you will be come depressed and because the pre-existing thingy was taken out of the final bill, well, I won't be able to approve you.

Mr. Doormat: wha???

Agent: Just sign in blood on the dotted line...

Mr. Doormat: what's this? Line 5, subparagraph G, Roman numeral VI, subsection D, "The insurer (WEFUCKYOU, INC) has the right to deny the insured (You, the worthless gullible scumbag public), insurance for any reason we feel like, even if we think you are just weird".Subsection E: Pertaining to Subsection D: we can still charge you even though we have canceled the policy."

Agent: Huh, you must have pretty good eyes, that font was unable to be read by a hawk in our lab studies.

Mr. Doormat: What kind of bullshit is this?

Agent: sigh, see? you are getting depressed, what did I tell you?

Mr. Doormat: I'm not depressed I'm fucking pissed off!!!

Agent: Sigh again, sorry denied.

Mr. Doormat: (confused) why? I said I'm not depressed.

Agent: according to our studies the test monkey's in our lab would first get pissed then sad when denied their treats. So, it's that pre-existing thingy again.

Mr. Doormat: fine, fuck you. this policy was a worthless piece of shit anyway!!!

Mr. Doormat storms out. The Agent calls after him!

Agent: don't forget to pay your premium on the way out!!!

P.S. the Insurance corps waited a whole hour because they had to finish celebrating first.


>We, as they say, have been played like a harp<
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 10:48 AM
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17. This headline appears en masse once a month
but the public option is so popular that that masses don't buy into the sales pitch from the media
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:02 AM
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18. Yes, and the bill cannot pass without the public option.
It is worthless otherwise.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:19 AM
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22. "Cannot?" It probably will pass. This bill is valuable--to health insurers, Nelson, big pharma and
big health care providers, so how can you call it worthless?

Oh, I get it. You thought it was supposed to have value for all citizens. That's so adorable.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 12:25 PM
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30. I don't agree
I would like the public option
Hell I'd like single payer
BUT

you have to make bricks before you put in the windows

this is a good enough start

the end of breaking contracts (dumping people off insurance) and the end of benefits caps are huge HUGE

IMHO

The funny thing is that every thing is geared toward the instant now while this is something that will be continually administered, tweaked, and will be a regular part of life in this century.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:10 AM
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20. "Public Option" was the compromise sell out vs Single Payer/Medicare for All . . .
Edited on Sat Jan-09-10 11:14 AM by defendandprotect
This is simply more game playing and stalling to put corporations in place --

and for corporations it's preferable to get cemented NOW into any new health

care system in US, rather than taking the chance of being totally excluded at

another time--


And, I'd also comment that if this health care fails it has the potential to

split what's left of the Democratic Party -- seriously so, IMO.


PS: Why the Blue Dog . . . for or against?

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 11:19 AM
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23. Then my support for the bill is doomed.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-09-10 09:10 PM
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33. The only real reform is a Public Option....PERIOD.
All they have to do is say "Fuck You, Medicare for all." and let the whiners and liars have their temper-tantrum.
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