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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 09:48 AM
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Numerical Ties Between Terrorist Attacks
From: Guardian Online:

Friday March 12, 2004 2:16 PM

By The Associated Press

In comparing the Madrid bombings to the 9-11 terrorist attacks in the United States, there are some interesting numerical ties.

There were 911 days in-between the terror attacks in Madrid and Sept. 11, 2001 - or 9-11 as it has become known - when al-Qaida-backed terrorists slammed planes into the Pentagon, a field in Pennsylvania and the World Trade Center towers in New York, destroying them.

The Madrid bombings - which happened on 3-11 - also came 2-1/2 years to the day after the 9-11 attacks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3852933,00.html

Spooky, eh? or sick joke...

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 09:54 AM
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1. By this logic there needs to then be...
...a 6-11 and a 12-11 attack someplace. Uhmmm.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 09:55 AM
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2. Considering they had 364 other days to choose from...
...I'd say the timing is quite telling.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 09:59 AM
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3. FACT CHECK: 912 days
It's 912 days between the two events.

http://www.calendarhome.com/date.shtml
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MousePlayingDaffodil Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:06 AM
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6. I noticed that too . . .
. . . but maybe, when they were planning this some weeks earlier, and selected March 11 at the attack date, they overlooked that this is a leap year.
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:14 AM
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12. Does the whole world use the same calendar, same leap year?
?
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:27 AM
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16. Aside from the fact
that there hasn't been a leap year between the two events (2004 is the first one since 2000), Spain would be slowly advancing into the future if they didn't also use leap years. They'd have gotten a week ahead of us in the past 28 years if they didn't.
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 07:41 AM
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31. There has been a leap day! Are you saying Spain bombed itself?
I thought it was a fairly obvious question.

I also think it is well known that Spain and the US are on the same calendar, a Christian calendar.

So the question remains, if we are accepting that Islamic extemists are doing this and 911, what is their calendar ?
this would be on their schedule.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 12:36 PM
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26. Did they count the leap year?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:01 AM
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4. It was actually days before an election, now cancelled.
Sometimes the most obvious . . .
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:03 AM
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5. Also days before the Russian election.....
also due on Sunday
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:07 AM
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8. I doubt very seriously
that anyone would bomb Madrid to influence an election in Russia.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:10 AM
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10. No but Russian terrorists control Opus-Dei type gangs like ETA
and Putin has an election to win...
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:13 AM
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11. ???
1. Opus Dei is an orthodox Catholic sect. What does it have to do with ETA?

2. Russians control ETA? Since when?

3. The Russian election was never in doubt. Putin will win with 80% of the vote or so, regardless of any terrorism.

4. How would events in Spain influence a Russian election?
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:21 AM
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15. ETA/Opus Dei:
Opus Dei has been condemned by the UN Security Council as a terrorism front. Jailed ex-CIA traitor Aldrich Ames and ex-FBI traitor Bob Hanssen - also serving major penal sentence for spying for the Russians - admitted running Opus Dei networks connected to Al-Qaeda, financed by former BCCI-funded individuals.

Opus Dei founded in Spain. Lond record of association with ETA-style terrorist attacks.

Putin on record as being the KGB chief that Aldruch Ames and Bob Hanssen speid for. Russian money launderers long connected to ETA group financings.

Putin has gagged the Russian press and busted Yukos. Ex-Yukos chief Khodorkhovsky on record as being protogee of BFEE thugs like Lord Rothschild.

etc etc etc
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:56 AM
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20. what about 912 vs 911 days?
-
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 11:03 AM
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21. The Associated Press is clearly having a tin foil hat day....or
its reporters have dodgy pocket calculators....

Either way, the Guardian Online posted this story ....
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 01:06 PM
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28. Uh
I've seen nothing to suggest that Opus Dei has been involved in terrorism. Its just a conservative bunch of Catholics. In fact, Opus Dei was rather closely associated with the Franco regime, which was largely responsible for creating the Basque problem in the first place. Its seems incongruous to say that they're colluding with a bunch of pseudo-Marxist ultra-nationalists.

Putin on record as being the KGB chief that Aldruch Ames and Bob Hanssen speid for

Yes, Putin was in the KGB. So what?

Putin has gagged the Russian press and busted Yukos

Yes Putin is a bad guy. But why would he bomb Spain? That still makes no sense.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:23 AM
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34. Putin is the Bush Administration in Russia
OPus Dei is terrorist front for the Catholic Church and has absorbed most P2 operations.

Plenty published about this both online and off.

Putin linked to financing of Al Qaeda. What a brilliant way to get BFEE to bomb the shit out of Afghanistan, after years of Russian failure there.

Afghanistan biggest heroin producer on planet Earth.

Both Aldrich Ames and Bob Hanssen admited to recruiting among Opus Dei in their spying carers for the Russians.

Q E D....
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:07 AM
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7. Well, ETA has a long history
of trying to disrupt Spanish elections. While I lean to Al Qaeda, this seems a possible explanation.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:32 AM
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18. Election is NOT cancelled
just the election campaigns were terminated.
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:10 AM
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9. My God
It's also 54 years exactly since Bobby McFerrin was born!

I bet he's involved.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:14 AM
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13. Uh, more to the point
Yesterday, the 11th, was the birthday of both Laurence Welk and Rupert Murdoch. Could the message be any more clear?

;-)
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:21 AM
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14. Mercy me
Edited on Fri Mar-12-04 10:25 AM by Spentastic
Things just get curioser and curioser.

1917 British troops occupy Baghdad!

1934 Netherlands beats Belgium 9-3, in soccer !

1965 Julie Andrews, Christopher Plummer and Eleanor Parker starred in the film adaptation of the popular Broadway hit, "The Sound of Music". !

And this!

1945 1,000 allied bombers harass Essen, 4,662 ton bombs !

Perhaps it was ze Germans!
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:33 AM
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19. No, it definitely wasn't me
SCNR
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:28 AM
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17. Is that humor?
Humor from mobuto?
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 11:14 AM
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23. Here's a list of the usual suspects for 11 March:
1513 - Leo X is elected pope.

1649 - The Frondeurs (rebels) and the French government sign the Peace of Rueil. ***

1702 - The first regular English language newspaper, The Daily Courant. is published for the first time.
1818 - Mary Shelley's Frankenstein is published.
1824 - The United States War Department creates the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
1845 - The Flagstaff War: Chiefs Hone Heke and Kawiti leads 700 Maoris to chop down the British flagpole and drive settlers out of the British colonial settlement of Kororareka because of breaches of the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi.

1861 - American Civil War: The Constitution of the Confederate States of America is adopted. ***

1888 - The "Great Blizzard of '88" begins along the eastern seaboard of the United States, shutting down commerce and killing more than 400.

1900 - Boer War: Boer leader Paul Kruger's peace overtures are rejected by Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Lord Salisbury. ***

1917 - Baghdad falls to the Anglo-Indian forces commanded by General Maude.***

1927 - In New York City, the Roxy Theatre is opened by Samuel Roxy Rothafel.
1941 - World War II: President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signs the Lend-Lease Act into law, allowing American-built war supplies to be shipped to the Allies on loan.

1942 - World War II: General Douglas MacArthur abandons Corregidor.***

1978 - Palestinian terrorists on the Tel Aviv Haifa highway kill 34 Israelis.

1985 - Mikhail Gorbachev becomes Soviet leader.***

1990 - Lithuania declares itself independent from the Soviet Union.
1990 - Patricio Aylwin is sworn-in as the first democratically-elected Chilean president since 1973. ***

1991 - A curfew is imposed on black townships in South Africa after fighting between rival political gangs killed 49.

1993 - Janet Reno is confirmed by the United States Senate and sworn-in the next day becoming the first female Attorney General of the United States. ***

1996 - John Howard comes to power as the twenty-fifth Prime Minister of Australia. ***

1997 - An explosion at a nuclear waste reprocessing plant in Japan exposes 35 workers to low-level radioactive contamination in the worst nuclear accident in Japan's history.
1999 - Infosys becomes the first Indian company to get listed on the Nasdaq stock exchange.

2003 - The International Criminal Court is founded in The Hague.***

2004 - Simultaneous explosions on rush hour trains in Madrid kill over 190 people.

Births
1544 - Torquato Tasso, Italian poet, (d. 1595)
1876 - Carl Ruggles, composer, (d. 1971)

1890 - Vannevar Bush, author of As We May Think, (d. 1974) ****

1892 - Raoul Walsh, film director, (d. 1980)
1898 - Dorothy Gish, actress, (d. 1968)
1899 - King Frederick IX of Denmark, (d. 1972)
1903 - Lawrence Welk, Champagne musicmaker, (d. 1992)
1907 - Helmut von Moltke, jurist, (d. 1945)
1910 - Robert Havemann, chemist, (d. 1982)
1915 - Hans Peter Keller, writer, (d. 1988)
1915 - Karl Krolow, lyricist and essayist, (d. 1999)
1916 - Harold Wilson, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, (d. 1995)
1919 - Mercer Ellington, musician, composer, (d. 1996)
1921 - Astor Piazzolla, tango composer, (d. 1992)
1927 - Joachim Fuchsberger, actor
1931 - Rupert Murdoch, publisher, entrepreneur
1934 - Sam Donaldson, reporter
1936 - Reverend Ralph Abernathy, civil rights leader, (d. 1990)
1936 - Antonin Scalia, associate justice of the United States Supreme Court
1948 - Dominique Sanda, actress
1950 - Bobby McFerrin, singer
1950 - Jerry Zucker, producer, director, writer
1952 - Douglas Adams, science fiction/comedy novelist, (d. 2001)
1955 - Nina Hagen, singer
1968 - Lisa Loeb, singer
1971 - Johnny Knoxville, ("Jackass"), television personality
1979 - Benji and Joel Madden, ("Good Charlotte"), band
1981 - David Anders, actor
1982 - Thora Birch, actress

Deaths
222 - Roman emperor Heliogabalus (b. c. 203) and his mother Julia Soaemias (b. 180), killed by the Pretorian guard ***

1847 - Johnny Appleseed, pioneer, agronomist, (b. 1774)
1908 - Revd Benjamin Waugh, social reformer, founder of NSPCC, (b. 1839)
1931 - F.W. Murnau, director, (b. 1888)
1955 - Alexander Fleming, biologist (b. 1881)
1957 - Admiral Richard E. Byrd, explorer, (b. 1888)
1969 - John Wyndham, author, (b. 1903)
1970 - Erle Stanley Gardner, novelist, (b. 1889)
1971 - Philo T. Farnsworth, television pioneer, (b. 1906)
1972 - Frederick Brown, author (b. 1906)
2002 - James Tobin, economist, (b. 1918)


***: Join the dots?

****: A Bush is born - how's that for co-incidence?....
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 07:58 AM
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33. That bastard ...
all this Be Happy crap was just a front.

Cheers
Drifter
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 11:07 AM
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22. Couriosities to Ponder:
Date of the attack: 9/11 = 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
Trade Towers resembled ‘Eleven’.
The World Trade Center was sold 11 weeks before the attack.
110 (11) floors two each trade tower
AA (American Airlines) is numerically 11
American Airlines Flight 11, carrying 81 passengers and 11
September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11.
The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11.
State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union.
New York was the 11th state to endorse the Constitution.
New York City - 11 Letters.
The Pentagon - 11 Letters
Afghanistan - 11 Letters.
Flight 11 - 81 on board - 8 + 1 = 9
Flight 175 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11
Flight 93 - 63 on board - 6 + 3 = 9
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 12:17 PM
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24. Perhaps the most significant 9/11 date is
September 11, 1683.
The invading Moslem armies were crushed at the gates of Vienna.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 12:32 PM
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25. Simnply the 1/2 year date is important
to them. 9 and 3's might also have an import. Perhaps 11 as well.

I wouldn't look for anything beyond that (but then wonder about 6/11 and 12/11 of following years?)
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 12:57 PM
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27. Well, except for the U.S. the date is 11-9 (or 11-3)
to the rest of the world, not 9-11. So it seems strange to me. Using everyone else's system of numbering by day, then month, it would have needed to be 119 days, not 911 days later.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 01:11 PM
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29. Law of Fives/23 Enigma
03.11.04

03+11+04=18

add in the law of fives: (2*3)=5

18+5=23

Quod Erat Demonstrandum


Gotta love the Law of Fives, you can apply it to any concept and it does absolutely nothing to expand one's understanding of that concept.

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 01:37 PM
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30. I heard Einstein was born on 3-14, maybe this comes into play
11+3=14
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 07:50 AM
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32. everything about killing innocents is a sick joke. one thing that was
never calculated in the promises to the terrorists was this...


if they get seventy virgins when they get to heaven, what on earth did those seventy virgins do to deserve the terrorists they get stuck with?
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